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vaudree
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posted 01 April 2002 11:43 AM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone else but me get the feeling that TRUDEAU was a cross between Adam West's Batman and Jesus Christ Superstar - only a bit more Campy. Did any one besides me notice that at certain camera angles Colm looked a lot like Robin Williams.

How far do we have to go to show that we are not like the Americans - and that this is not an American-like propag-doc movie of the week about our great leaders? Are we spoofing the Americans at the same time as we are "honouring" our own? Even the October Crisis lacked the seriousness associated with the JFK movies!


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skdadl
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posted 01 April 2002 01:14 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it's definitely not a documentary, vaudree. I didn't think Robin Williams, but the Richard Lester/Hard Day's Night allusions were obvious, and I always enjoy those.

I say it's not a doc not only because it's shaped around the Maggie-Pierre romance but also because even there we're missing many complications that were already general public knowledge -- like all the other grils, eg, and I don't just mean Streisand -- I'm thinking of more interesting long-running stories, like Madeleine Gobeil (the serious sister -- Charlotte was the flake).

If the behind-the-scenes discussions of the War Measures Act are based on Cabinet records, then that is interesting -- that's more than I knew.

But mainly I just enjoyed it as a drama -- I do think Feore is on and off uncannily like PET, and many of the other actors are terrific -- R.H. Thomson, eg, as always -- he doesn't look like Mitchell Sharp, but I like the voice and the delivery.


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Judes
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posted 01 April 2002 02:02 PM      Profile for Judes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too thought that the War Measures Act cabinet discussion was fascinating. The film was a little self-conscious but generally covered a lot of ground in very little time and dealt with the Trudeaumania thing in a creative way.

I think this is the CBC trying to be a little less earnest and boring and I think it mostly worked.


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judym
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posted 01 April 2002 02:26 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thought some babblers would be interested to know that the director of the Trudeau series is the same guy who optioned my novel, Jane.
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DrConway
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posted 01 April 2002 02:26 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I missed the miniseries! Anybody got videotapes or know when/if it will be re-run?

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judym
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posted 01 April 2002 02:27 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Parts three and four are on tonight. Copies of the videos are also for sale.
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Trinitty
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posted 01 April 2002 02:33 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank God, now that fricking commercial won't be on every 8 minutes.
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vaudree
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posted 01 April 2002 03:00 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Colm did get the voice and the mannerisms good - looking forward to western alienation tonight and Trudeau and Clark going at it. Maggie I think was exaggerated to show the contrast between the two - since she did advise with the screan play, I think it was more the way she saw herself in comparison to Trudeau than the way Trudeau saw her. Trudeau just assuming she knew french is an indication that Maggie did not corner the market on naivete.

Didn't catch 22minutes Friday but heard that they spoofed Trudeau - will have to catch it tonight.

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Can you imagine anyone doing a movie about JFK like that. I can't imagine the Americans doing a movie about GWB like that, but I can imagine Canadians doing so. Even in comedies, it seems that Americans take their leaders too seriously. Is that because we are a Monarchy or is it something to do with the differences in our parliamentry systems?


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DrConway
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posted 01 April 2002 05:21 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Copies of the videos are also for sale.

Ooh, Where do I buy?


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judym
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posted 01 April 2002 05:34 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because I'm so sweet, I went all the way to cbc.ca for you to find out: voila.
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DrConway
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posted 01 April 2002 05:36 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ooh. I'll have to do something REALLY good now like not shed over anything of yours for a month and bring in the newspaper and stuff.

*swishes tail*


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lonewolf
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posted 01 April 2002 07:13 PM      Profile for lonewolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am old enough to say that I actually met Trudeau and was at the convenbtion that elected him in 1967.

Interesting series - I agree the maggie angle is way too played up, but what really bugs me is that the CBC did not give the FULL story of the behind the scenes talks about the war measures act. What Turner said was accurate but they (purposelly?) avoided Jean Chretien's commnet:

"Just do it, we'll find a way to explain it later"

Sheesh.


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lonewolf
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posted 01 April 2002 07:28 PM      Profile for lonewolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh ... anyone interested - CBC TV Counterspin program airs live 8:00pm Tuesday April 2 and they are still looking for audience members for this panel/talk show. Check out their web site HERE
or contact:
Momona HaileMariam
Audience Producer
counterSpin
CBC Newsworld
Phone: 416-968-9358
Fax: 416-968-1954
[email protected]

Topic is - of course - TRUDEAU:

TUESDAY, APRIL 2: PERSONA VS. PROWESS: PIERRE ELLIOTT TRUDEAU'S POLITICAL LEGACY
Trudeau is remembered for the Official Languages Act, repatriation of the
Constitution and the entrenchment of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
But he was also responsible for invoking the War Measures Act, designing
the still-contested National Energy Plan and implementing what some critics
say was weak foreign policy. Did Trudeau further Canadian democracy or
undermine it? Did his desire for national unity come at the expense of
Canadian economic and foreign policy? Was his implementation of the War
Measures Act necessary or did it cast a shadow on Canadian democracy and
civil liberties?



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SamL
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posted 01 April 2002 08:53 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the past week's "Starweek" (my parents get the Sat. Star) there was an interview with the director or the producer, I forget which, about how it wasn't supposed to be about Trudeau, it was supposed to be about this non-tangible. . .oh I forget, I'll try to find it, but read it yourself, and these flaws can be justified under the movie's 'mission statement'.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 01 April 2002 11:22 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So Bill Davis was a vampire. Whoda thunk it?
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Maia
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posted 02 April 2002 05:09 AM      Profile for Maia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Honestly, now... was Margaret Trudeau really that gorgeous?

"I'm Mawgrit." I've been saying that for weeks.

*sigh*


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'lance
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posted 03 April 2002 09:57 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If the behind-the-scenes discussions of the War Measures Act are based on Cabinet records, then that is interesting -- that's more than I knew.

I haven't seen this part of the movie yet -- it's sitting at home on videotape -- so I don't know what exactly they say in this sequence.

But I do remember that around 1990, the diaries of a late cabinet minister (Donald McDonald?) were released, including accounts of those cabinet meetings. Saturday Night ran excerpts. They purportedly showed what many had suspected all along -- that the government didn't have the secret intelligence, etc., that it claimed would justify War Measures.

On another note -- I'm told each 1-hour part is supposedly done in the style of a director who was popular at the time. I've seen only "The Maggie Factor" (part 3 of 4), and I don't recognize the style, particularly. Any thoughts, babblers?


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 03 April 2002 10:21 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The title of this thread gives me the idea of "City T.V. News" doing coverage of the Trudeau Era.

"Tonight on Citypulse, Pierre Trudeau invokes the War Measures Act, and we'll be back to tell you a little about that later, but first, where have the Swans gone from Grenadier Pond?...."


Or how about: "Lookin' down the barrel of a gun on Rue St. Catherine: City T.V. EVERYWHERE"

"Today on Breakfast Television, what to wear under Marshal Law: We'll have Maurice Duplesis dresser here to tell you."

Gad, it would have been a blast. Moses Znaimer, you were born too late.......


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'lance
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posted 03 April 2002 10:24 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The title of this thread gives me the idea of "City T.V. News" doing coverage of the Trudeau Era.

From a listening post inside Bell headquarters in Montreal, this is the RCMP Security Service... everywhere!


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judym
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posted 04 April 2002 12:07 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'lance, here are a couple of reviews ... can't remember if either of them mention the styles. I know one is the "Help" dude, another is (I think) Bernardo Bertolucci and a third Allan J. Pakula ("All the President's Men"). The fourth - I'm completely blanking.

Maclean's:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L5AD2589

Time:
http://www.timecanada.com/story.adp?storyid=16


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Doug M.
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I thought the soundtrack was awesome - they played RUSH!!!!! That sealed it for me - good movie.
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judym
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posted 04 April 2002 12:37 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, here it is, from the Maclean's review:

quote:

... Ciccoritti's directorial conceit, shooting each hour in the style of a famous director. The series opens with a nod to Richard Lester, in a quirky and stylish capture of Trudeaumania a la the Beatles. The October Crisis gets the Costa-Gavras treatment; the marriage was shot like Bertolucci; and the Constitution like Pakula's All the President's Men.

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annie.victoria
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posted 04 April 2002 02:53 AM      Profile for annie.victoria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It actaully wanted to respond to the other thread that got closed. Yes, it was like the National Enquier, Danielle Steele and CBC got together and made a movie. But I really think the actor who played Trudeau did a super job, and also the dude that played Jean Chretian.

Its too bad though that in the "Margaret Years" they didn't focus more on what Pierre was doing in government and less on his home life.

annie, not a real critic just a watcher


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audra trower williams
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posted 04 April 2002 11:16 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really like Colm Feore. I also like that he has now played Glenn Gould, and Pierre Trudeau. I suspect he will next play Emily Carr.
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lonewolf
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Guess I should have posted this here, but I thought my complaint about CBC Counterspin would have been better suited in Media category..

I would be interested in knowing what others think about the two part CBC TV thing about the legacy of Trudeau that aired Mar31 and April 1..

For me - I attended a rather useless CBC 'Counterspin' talk show program here in Toronto on April 2nd. Although it was interesting to hear from Marc Lalonde (old time Trudeau politician), the audience talk before the show was more interesting. (CBC seems to think they can get bodies in the seats by pretending they will be able to say something - 48 mins panel, 3 mins audience)

Enough off-tangent. I found the series kind of a soap-opera silly fluff. I'm sure Margaret discussed the war measures act with Pierre....


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Michelle
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posted 04 April 2002 06:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why wouldn't he have?
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John Hansen
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I think Colm Feore should play Geddy Lee next. Hell, he can just keep on playing Canadian icons: Gretsky, Liona Boyd, Gzowski, Robertson Davies...

seriously, I think the director's decision to mimic other directors' styles undermined what could have been a better film. But it had some great moments. Trudeau's friend pointing out the age difference between Pierre and Maggie. The banter between him and the reporter. And I had no idea Maggie sang that song for the wife of the Venezualan prime minister. However I would have preferred more politics and less home life.

As a movie (ignore current political reality), I thought the most interesting "character" was Jean Chretien. Trudeau avoids dealing directly with the Referendum to send Chretien out to fight war. Plus that actor, Guy Piche - I think - had a huge job: do Chretien without looking like Roger Abbott from Air Farce. He made him a dramatic character.


Maybe some other filmmaker will decide that biopic wasn't good enough and go off and make one of his/her own. Why should there just be one film about Trudeau? They've made plenty about Nixon and JFK, why not Trudeau? Or any other Prime Minister? Come on, people, let's rally the cbc for a Joe Clark movie.


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Doug M.
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quote:

I think Colm Feore should play Geddy Lee next. Hell, he can just keep on playing Canadian icons: Gretsky,...


Y'know what's weird? Now that I think about it, he actually lookskinda like both those guys, as well as Trudeau!

Weird...must be some CBC genetic engineering thing...


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 05 April 2002 10:36 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He'd make a great Bruno Gerussi.
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spindoctor
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posted 12 April 2002 06:27 PM      Profile for spindoctor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I quite liked the show. And I totally agree with the previous post about Chretien being a really interesting character.

It's interesting to contrast the two...Trudeau the visionary, the man with the balls o' steel who had a vision of Canada and made it happen. Chretien the loyal soldier who slogs through, and as Prime Minister a complete and utter disappointment....


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John Hansen
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Chretien may be a disappointment as a prime minister, given the era that he comes from but I think many people underestimate this guy. People will tell me with a straight face that they think he's an idiot. He's absolutely the opposite. I'm no Liberal or Chretien loyalist but I think when his term is done, people will look back at a brilliant political career. Forget, briefly, that he has done things or fostered policies that you may not agree with. Look at him in terms of his ability to keep political power in his hands. Besides a brief period in the 1980's, he's been in Ottawa for 40 years and has won three straight majorities. Few other prime ministers can say that. In that respect alone, I think he's smarter than Trudeau, who was intellectually smart but sometimes politically naive.
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Look at him in terms of his ability to keep political power in his hands. Besides a brief period in the 1980's, he's been in Ottawa for 40 years and has won three straight majorities. Few other prime ministers can say that. In that respect alone, I think he's smarter than Trudeau, who was intellectually smart but sometimes politically naive.

I guess we're back to the old dilemma about power and principle. To me politics should be about pursuing your visions for your country. Doing what you can to institute what you believe in. Chretien has the winning down, more than any other politician I know, save Ralph Klein. But big deal.

I mean, name one innovative, lasting policy that Chretien will leave behind. Deficit reduction? Gun control? Milennium Scholarships?

None of these rank up there with the Charter or official bilingualism. Sorry.

If Chretien had half the spine that Trudeau had, we would ratify the Kyoto Accord and tell Alberta to fall into line.

To me, it's easy just to stay in power and win elections. The hard part is to win elections AND shape the country how you think it needs to go.

That's why I have so much respect for Trudeau he combined the winning with the doing.


Let me just close by saying that this shouldn't be interpreted as believing in the principled, losing fight as something to be admired. It's not. I'm distressed at how the NDP haslived by its moral victories. We somehow need a leader or party with the spine, the strength, the vision to win and shape this country.

Easier said than done, I know, but still.


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vaudree
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posted 16 April 2002 07:09 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the campaign where Margaret "helped" her husband win by revealing bits of their personal lives, do you get the feeling, after watching the movie that PET resented her for that because he wanted his private life kept private? That the more she told the more he resented it and the less effort he put into having a private life?

The colder and more distant he became, that the more emotional she became. There was also the issue of trust... the more emotional she became, the less he felt he could trust her, and the more distant he became, the more she felt like her love and trust had been betrayed.

And the scene where Margaret asks what would have happened if it was her or the children which had been kidnapped. They seemed to both interpret that moment differently.


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