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skdadl
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posted 20 July 2001 11:21 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(The old thread isn't locked, but it hit 3 pp, so I thought I'd give us a clean slate.)

Money. I want to complain about money. Mine is not a sophisticated or subtle complaint -- I just don't have enough, and today I have to do our accounts, and there isn't enough, I just know there isn't. I also don't understand money. I don't understand the money system, and I don't think I believe in it, either. All human systems are imaginary; the people who invented and believe in the money system just don't know that yet, and that's why they make life miserable for the rest of us. So: down with money. An end to money, I say.


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'lance
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posted 20 July 2001 11:35 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't say I really understand money, either. But I don't like it much, and probably wouldn't even if I had more. (Although if anyone wants to offer me more as an experiment, I could be flexible ).

Yeah, human systems are imaginary. That doesn't bother me so much. Lots of worthwhile things are imaginary (I'm thinking of the Lyrics thread). They can still be real -- that is, important.

Or as somebody with a math background said, "Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts."

My complaint's a bit more petty. SUVs. If they all died and went to the scrap heap tomorrow, I'd dance in the streets naked. (And trust me, no one wants that ... ).


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posted 20 July 2001 11:37 AM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Money is my problem today too skdadl. I had thought I was getting an increase in the baby bonus as the paper said it was going up $20 per child. I told the kids we could probably afford to go the zoo or soemthing now. Well it turns out it did go up $20 per year. Well I'll be sure not to spent it all in one *&^&*(( place!
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posted 20 July 2001 11:53 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Me too skadadl. I do not even have to do accounts as there is so little money I can count it on one hand. How is that for one downsmanship? I am so broke I dream about my kitty cats as roasted puddy cats.However as I do not want Doc Conway to get upset as when I told my critturs about his 1000 post they decided to really put on the pressure and brought me a lovely collection of furred and feathered cadavers and I had a lovely meal.
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posted 20 July 2001 12:09 PM      Profile for rubes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't like the way people in cars treat cyclists. I bike to and from work everyday and motorists constantly cut me off, don't bother with indicators - it gives me bike rage. I especially hate it when people drive on unpaved shoulders and leave me in a big cloud of dust.
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posted 20 July 2001 12:33 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My hydro bill almost doubled. I'm on a fixed income and I thank God that my landlord has no plans to increase the rent or I would have nowhere to go. So far, he covers the water but if that goes up much more I don't know what will happen. I'm trying to make my doctor understand that I can't afford more fresh fruits and vegetables on my income, more spaghetti maybe...
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posted 20 July 2001 12:45 PM      Profile for rubes     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess I should stop bitching about clouds of dust. The rest of you have real problems.
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posted 20 July 2001 12:50 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I bent my Wookie.
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Dawna Matrix
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posted 20 July 2001 02:03 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hear that can be painful.
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'lance
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posted 20 July 2001 02:10 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Better to bend than break, yes? Speaking from experience.

(Know all by these presents that notice is hereby given of a change of name, from freelance, to 'lance. All persons having business with the estate of the former freelance, etc., so forth & suchlike... ).


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posted 20 July 2001 02:29 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Har.

Money's my complaint too. Swear to god it slips through my fingers like sand. It's like, I budget reasonably well and I *still* manage to end up spending a lot more than I should.

ARGH! End rant.


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 20 July 2001 03:45 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm great with money. I have very little and I guess that makes it easier to deal with. When you ain't got much to lose, etc.

My complaint is people who complain. CONSTANTLY. People who have no bloody right to complain, because they don't know what real PAIN is. I used to think that everybody's pain was equal - but when I hear some kid who's getting a free ride on mummy and daddy (free rent, education paid for) complain about how shitty it is living with your parents, I just want to start shouting:
PERSPECTIVE! USE IT OR LOSE IT!


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posted 20 July 2001 03:50 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been using my credit cards WAY too much lately. I'm a bad wittle boy.
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skdadl
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posted 21 July 2001 05:56 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday, clersal had an accident:

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I have a big complaint about myself and my klutzyness. It was a bee-utiful day yesterday. Spent the afternoon in the water. I come up to the house and decide to check the garden. There is a small metal fence of about 2 feet high. Some of it pointy as it was cut crossways so I could make it longer. Everything looks good, I turn and lift my leg to get out, fall on my ass and my leg on said fence opening up two gashes in my leg and one on my ass. Off to the hospital for stitches, tetanus and antibiotics. Still feeling like a complete jerk as the man in the next room had just had a heart attack and I had bloodied up the place.

Okay that is bad enough. I come home with my leg hurting like mad, chomp on some coedine, go to bed. In the middle of the night Jerome walks into my room purring and I though how sweet. The little bugger had a rodent and crunched it in front of my ears. At least he finished it off and not a spot to be seen this morning.

Today again is lovely and hot, my leg still hurts and I cannot go in the lake. Triple shit. All because I didn't watch what I was doing.


Gash in leg = very bad. Gash elsewhere = what posture is possible?

Oh, get better soon, clersal. Have another swig of codeine for me.


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meades
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posted 21 July 2001 07:32 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
since I'm living off my parents for now, I can't say I have serious problems with money. i'm gonna try and get a job next year. Maybe I can unionize the local MacDonalds from the inside?

My problem is with spending money. Well, not spending money per se, but the problem is I would have lot's of spending money if I COULD FIND MY #*@&$!@ WALLET!!! I think I have like fourty dollars in it. Plus my avid readers card, student ID, and a whole bunch of other stuff like that!

One thing I do like is having American relatives, and lot's of 'em! They're all very nice people, but an added bonus is they send me American money for my birthday and christmas, and the dollar keeps falling, and I'm just waiting to see how far it falls, then I'll cash in my American dollars for Canadian and I'll have enough to chip in for the GAS PRICES THAT ARE #@%$*&! BANKRUPTING US!

Well, it's not that bad, but they're still high, up to 81 cents a litre and rising, we live a half an hour outside city limits, and everyone but me has a job at the exact opposite end of the city! So it gets to be a pain. I shouldn't complain though, I haven't got it bad or anything.


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clersal
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posted 21 July 2001 08:15 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry about that skadadl. Forgot the second complaints. Thanks for the good wishes. Jerome is fine. I did discover one thing he can purr with a rodent in his yap!
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Trisha
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posted 21 July 2001 08:47 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope you get better soon, clersal, that sounds very painful. Your cat brought you a get well present, but since you weren't interested....why waste it? They can be such a comfort when you're sick.
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Dawna Matrix
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posted 21 July 2001 10:01 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Farley Mowat lived on those crispy little buggers.
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posted 21 July 2001 11:19 PM      Profile for preprecocious        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone have a sugar-daddie/momma? I've recently been contemplating whether or not I should obtain one of these in lieu of my crappy-financial situation...Tell me how to find?-I guess this isn't really a complaint...
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Actually rubes...I feel your complaint is entirely legit....I almost killed a woman biker last summer at the corner of Bay and Bloor (well, so she claims)...I was getting out of a cab and almost hit her (she proceeded to scream uncontrollably at me..) I'm very averse to screaming crazy bikers so I apologized profusely....anyways, I had no idea that I was suppose to check my door when I leave a car (when closest to the Sidewalk?)...it's one of those moments when you feel like you missed out on life's everyday lessons....
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posted 21 July 2001 11:51 PM      Profile for jabber     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay so this is going to be a petty complaint, but since you asked, I just hate it when you go to a restaurant and the first thing the waiter/waitress says is "How are youse guys tonight". Then "are you'se guys ready to order? or What would yoouse guys like to eat". I actually saw one sales person write "you's" on a thank you note.

Okay 'use guys what ever happened to the English language!

[ July 21, 2001: Message edited by: jabber ]


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Trisha
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posted 22 July 2001 12:04 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yous or however really bothers me too, I'm always tempted to correct the person who uses it. I find I can't think of the person having any intelligence after that. There are a few other words I cringe at, but I can't think of them right now. That one is the worst.
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Trisha
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posted 22 July 2001 12:20 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sorry, rasmus, I have to get things back into my purse before I can pick up my cane and walk, and I have to do it where there is a surface to rest things on. I often but not always apologize for taking too much time and I have let people go ahead of me at the ATM on many occasions because it takes me time to get things out too. I even let people go ahead of me at the grocery store if they have a very small order. I think others should do the same.
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posted 22 July 2001 12:37 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not talking about you Trisha. I'm talking about spritely people who just don't care.

Now I feel guilty. Let me go change that part. Actually, I've deleted the whole post. What if everyone at rabble does those things? Then I'll make enemies of the lot of you, and I don't want to do that. (I've saved a copy if anyone *must* know. )

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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Trisha
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posted 22 July 2001 12:44 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rasmus, I was agreeing with you. If I can be more polite, and others like me, then so can those who have no good reason. I think you'd really have to go some to make enemies of us.

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Trisha ]


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posted 22 July 2001 01:18 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That "youse" thing annoys me too. How freakin' hick-ish and redneck can you GET? Next thing I know those people who use "youse" will have pickup trucks with gun racks and double-wide trailers.
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posted 22 July 2001 02:23 AM      Profile for Socrataire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DrConway: are you serious? If you are, I suggest you have a look at "White Trash" by Wray and Newitz. It is an eye-opening analysis of the normal white middle class attitude towards "rednecks." I learned a lot about my own prejudices from it.

If you are not serious, what was your barb aimed at?

on second thought: your post is clever ridicule of a widespread mindset. Right on!

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Socrataire ]

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Socrataire ]


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skdadl
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posted 22 July 2001 09:48 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well like, I mean, y'know youse guys, I sure hope so! (See socrataire's revised opinion above.)

I always thought I was being funny when I tossed a few y'alls and youse guys in my posts -- sheesh! (Anyone got anything against sheesh?) But now y'all are going all proper on me, and meades, for heaven's sake, has turned into a li'l currency speculator!


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clersal
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posted 22 July 2001 11:39 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Trisha for the thought. Don't waste a good thought on Jerome I think he is a serial killer. And yes I know that Farley Mowat made rodent brochette, fur and all although he did admit that he did skin them in a later book. I am not quite ready for that as yet.
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posted 22 July 2001 11:45 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How are your nether regions doing, clersal? Can you sit down yet?
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posted 22 July 2001 11:53 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nether region never bothered me it is the one on my shin that hurts like hell. If there hadn't been so much blood I would have found it hard to believe that I had been nether stabbed. Between my shin and the serial killer I am starting to have doubts that cat castration is a good idea. He looks sweet, he purrs sweetly but.......
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posted 22 July 2001 12:11 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Y'know, I've had that thought with both my male cats, that the operation doesn't take entirely ... I mean, they can't start up kittens any more, which is a Good Thing, but they appear not to grasp that fact themselves. And it sure doesn't slow them down as hunters, either. The old innocent routine, though, when you scold them for serial rape and murder -- it's so convincing, isn't it?
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posted 22 July 2001 01:41 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have only had the thought skdadl. I used to feel sorry for cats missing their parts and ended up with earless other parts missing. Cats which cost me a fortune at the Vet. The were perhaps not serial killers though. Jerome does sometimes eye his sister with that gleam. She growls, he chases and it ends there.
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posted 22 July 2001 02:01 PM      Profile for jabber     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dr.C.
Okay howse about this fall we gets into your 4 X 4 and goes get us some bar, and takes it back & skin it and makes some good stoow.

Nows I don'ts rightly knows where in Canader youse lives but if y'all just tells me we can makes arrangments, okay.

Bye-the-ways the boys in blue won'ts let me keep the rifle in the back window anymore so I hopes you won't get too upset if you don't sees it there.

And y' know that little filly at the restaurant on Main St., that one that says youse guys so cute, think we can get coffee there when I visit?


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posted 22 July 2001 02:10 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I confess that the last real live person I heard using "youse" innocently was a phys ed supply teacher about 15 years ago. But I am told that "youse" like "y'all" is a spontaneous answer to the lack of a plural second person pronoun in English (actually "you" is the plural, and the singular is lost). I can confirm that to be true of "y'all", knowing some southerners as I do, but I don't know about "youse".

It doesn't *sound* good, that's my problem with "youse".


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jabber: Howse abouts I come up day're and y'all can barra my pick'p truck. youse can ride in da back. mind da skunk dough, day'se can still spray after day'se daid.

okay that was completely stolen from the simpson. Boy, Shirlene is gonna have a mighti fine weddin' draiss.

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and meades, for heaven's sake, has turned into a li'l currency speculator!

it's going to charity and maybe the NPI, so it's not as bad as you think I might get a new book though, but not if there isn't enough left over for charity.


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posted 22 July 2001 03:37 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I might get a new book though, but not if there isn't enough left over for charity.

You're a good person, meades.

BTW, meades, this question is a tangent, but can you or your family speak dialect? I don't just mean accent, but full-blown Newfoundland English? It's kind of sad to me that it's disappearing. Do they foster it in Newfoundland? Are there radio or TV shows in dialect, or is it sort of like, let's forget this ever happened and move on?

(BTW, I pronounce it correctly. NewfoundLAND, underSTAND? )


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Shoes. I want to complain about shoes, specifically women's shoes, sandals, this year's crop. (I know there's a shopping thread, but it's deeper than I wish to be right now. I think of this as the tantrum thread.)

UUUHHHHGGG-LY! I have to have a new pair of sandals, I really do, so on Thursday I forced myself to go downtown and look, there being sales on and all. I have never seen so many ugly shoes in my life. I looked in cheap places, expensive places, and everything in between, and bought nothing. This is the worst year for sandals I can remember.

A lot of them are really heavy and all black -- who can wear full-coverage black shoes on the streets of Toronto in high July, especially this one? The rest are all thongy, slip-sloppy and flimsy -- who can pound the pavement long in those?

I guess I'm just going to have to be nice to my old (really old) sort-of sandals for another month ... I mean, I can do that, I guess. But why are all the new ones so ugly? How did they get so ugly?


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Hey Jabber. Youse ain't comin to skin my crittur with Doc and the 4by 4. Can't find the X.

Yep the sandals are the pits.


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posted 22 July 2001 05:36 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*giggle*
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posted 22 July 2001 05:43 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skdadl, try birkenstocks. Yep, they're ugly. Yep, a couple of my friends call them "dyke boots" and another one calls them "Jesus boots". But darn they're comfortable. And apparently you can get some that look a little less clunky, too.
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posted 22 July 2001 07:16 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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BTW, meades, this question is a tangent, but can you or your family speak dialect? I don't just mean accent, but full-blown Newfoundland English? It's kind of sad to me that it's disappearing. Do they foster it in Newfoundland? Are there radio or TV shows in dialect, or is it sort of like, let's forget this ever happened and move on?

Well, there are two dialects in Newfoudland. One is the kind you find in and around St. John's, which is really just a heavy accent. But once you get a few hours south and west of St. john's, then you find the real dialect. The people living in St. john's are called Townies, and people who live outside St. John's are called Baymen.

Because I lived within about an hour of St. John's, we didn't speak the regular dialect. My dad was actually born and raised withing St. John's, and my mom is from Newark, New Jersey. So anyway, we didn't speak the dialect, but our accents were a bit stronger since we were around people who did.

I moved here when I was 9, so my accent isn't very strong, but it comes out when I'm angry or frustrated. Which usually happens when the CBC reports on a Fraser Institute study that allegedly "disproves" something or other.

Fraser Institute

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(BTW, I pronounce it correctly. NewfoundLAND, underSTAND? )

THANK GOD!! You don't know how many people out here pronounce it as though we're New Finland!


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posted 22 July 2001 07:29 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, yes, I gotta bitch about the Fraser Institute and that son of a bitch Michael Walker. On second thought I'd get so mad I'd probably break something.

At least the media admits they're a right-wing think-tank.


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posted 23 July 2001 01:29 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately, in spite of whatever the media admits about them, their third-rate non-research, entirely ideologically motivated -- they know the conclusions before the research is done -- have managed to shape lots of policy issues, like the definition of poverty. They are really hateful. I think part of a healthy democracy is somehow establishing standards of scientific accountability that would prevent Fraser hack work from being described as "research."
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posted 23 July 2001 09:33 AM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How do you get to be a think tank? I can think. I could rent a tank Imagine having any drivel that you care to spout being taken verbatim and worse ( in this case ) turned into policy. Anyone want to join me in the tank? We can come up with some good policies. Lets start with guarenteed income supplement, immediate reform of the disability income, and anyone?

[ July 23, 2001: Message edited by: earthmother ]


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posted 23 July 2001 09:59 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tax deductions for dependent animules. clersal and I are gonna clean up.

earthmum, I warn you, all this talk about "taking things VerbaTim" is going to unnerve the boy. He's been having an identity crisis this weekend.


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posted 23 July 2001 11:12 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Both disability and welfare have no additional allowance for clothing needs for adults. We somehow have to find a way to take that out of our grocery money. I don't like, nor is it healthy, to have to wear someone else's old discarded, conformed to their feet shoes and boots and the government has enough nerve to wonder why we can't walk very well. Even if they will pay for special shoes, they won't pay for the inserts needed. I don't even want to discuss the price of underwear (that's one thing you have to buy new).

Also, winter travel is made harder by the reductions in snow removal so the disabled can access the buses and many cities are thinking of dropping the disabled buses because of low usage rates. There's more to this issue than just access. I'll add it to another thread.


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posted 23 July 2001 12:56 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So lets start a thread for our think tank. First a name Babble Bubble Booth? Probably not eh? How about we decide on a name and which subject it should go under? I'm sure there are many great ideas out there just waiting to be given voice!
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*giggle* Well, if the CCPA would take us, we'd be a think-tank inside a think-tank.
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posted 23 July 2001 05:03 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got it, I do, I really do. This thread: Bitching Babblers. Looking for three B's. The Bitching Bad Ass Babblers.

By the way Doc, I was not trying to be funny with the X. I was a bit coedined up.

Skdadl. I really do not think my critturs are up to par. Jerome the serial killer fell into the lake. Yesterday he fell off a chair. Is it an undercover scam?

The dawg won't swim. He is scared of the dark. I have two normals, cats. See the normals we never talk about only the odd balls.


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posted 23 July 2001 05:17 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the Fraser Institute is named after a river (I think. Could also be some clod blooded guy named Fraser I don't care about.). Perhaps the Red River Institute? Or maybe just the Red Institute?

C.D.Howe is named after it's American founder. How about the E. Mother institute?

What are some of the most socialist/social democratic/whathaveyou areas in the country? Trinity-Spadina keeps on voting NDP. Saskatchewan is the birth place of the CCF, and such. The Maritimes almost always send the NDP to parliament. East Vancouver and Burnaby-Douglas sent NDPers to Ottawa.

The Spadina Institute? Trinity-Spadina Institute? Or how about E.V. Halifax institute? The NDP's most western riding, mixed with the name of the NDP's most eastern riding! Or would that work out to be the B.D. Dartmouth Institute?


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What about the Douglas-Spadina Institute? Burnaby-Douglas is Svend Robinson's riding, and Spadina's derivation has been hashed over already.
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posted 23 July 2001 11:51 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
E. Felinoid Institute
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*chuckle* I think we should stick with "real" names.

On the other hand, the Rasmus Conway institute has a certain... exotic flavor... to it


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posted 24 July 2001 01:12 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about E.M. Rasmus Conway?

We shouldn't forget Earthmother's the one who originally suggested it .


Wait, I forget, the above statement may, or may not be true.

[ July 24, 2001: Message edited by: meades ]


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I think E.M. Rasmus Conway sounds distinguished. At the very least, it sends the blase "Fraser Institute" to the farm team.
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posted 24 July 2001 01:22 AM      Profile for stile   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Earthmother Meades Rasmus Conway institute of skdadophiles and :Colonectomies:
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I actually meant for the "M." to represent "mother" in earthmother. But if you want my name in there, I'm not one to object!

why the dots around colonectimies?

wait...do I want my name so close to the word colonectimies?

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ColonecTIMies was a reference to the colon-bespotted rabbler formerly known as VerbaTim.
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posted 24 July 2001 02:23 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rasmus-Conway Institute... I kinda like the sound of that. However, it's a bit exclusive, isn't it, DrC? OTOH if we just pile up every name, that becomes unwieldy. So how about names that represent us all (maybe some of them are already taken?):

The Pink Tank
The Razor Institute
Revolution Solutions (TM) Corp.
The Left Brain Gravy Train
Red Chili Power Tower?

But if I can indulge in pure egotism for a moment, I think "The Rasmus Commotion" has a certain ring to it...


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posted 24 July 2001 02:51 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like E.M. Rasmus Conway and Revoltion Solutions.

Rasmus can I impose upon you to choose and post the thread on the appropriate topic heading?


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Curse you, Rasmus! Now I'm torn between the somewhat foppish "E.M. Rasmus Conway" and the let-it-all-hang-out "Left Brain Gravy Train".

After roughly eighteen seconds of deep thought, I punch a pregnant chad in favor of the former.

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Quick. Someone break out the Florida rulebook on what pregnant chads mean in determining voter intentions
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I like the Razor Institute. It sounds vaguely beguiling, subtly implying the skilled and intelligent use of a deadly weapon. Yes, it's very hamas.

**Cheesy DJ voice**
It's cutting edge! It's sharp! It's the Razor Institute!


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posted 25 July 2001 02:41 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Casey Casem's (sp?) voice. That guy must drink oil instead of coffee.
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posted 25 July 2001 02:53 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dawna, that reminds me - have you ever heard a little audio clip of Casey Kasem wigging out during an outtake for his top 40 show? It is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. He goes bonkers on his producers, swearing and everything. And you KNOW it's him because no one can reproduce his voice THAT well. I think the clip is actually called Casey Kasem Flips Out. I don't have it anymore, but the friend who sent it to me probably still does.
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That's hilarious! I'd love to hear it.
I still have some taped off the radio stuff from the late 80's. I wish someone had given me a clue when I was a kid about what NOT to listen to.

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posted 25 July 2001 05:20 PM      Profile for Socrataire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a complaint about the car commercials on TV lately. They show the car going somewhere AS FAST AS HELL.

It is an open invitation to viewers to drive like maniacs. The ad agencies and car companies ought to be strung up for these ads. (Anybody got any string?) I mean it. It makes me want to scream bloody murder. I would not be so damn angry about it if I felt my outrage would have any effect. I will vomit if I hear another automobile executive talk about "responsibility."

C. Wright Mills called our system "organized irresponsibility." He was sooooo right!


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posted 25 July 2001 05:25 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Casey Kasem bit is here: http://www.hankhayes.com/ram/kaseydie.ram (requires realaudio).
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Oh, yes and usually along twisty roads as well. The obsession with speed is becoming quite a problem. The number of real life car chases has increased alarmingly.
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posted 25 July 2001 05:31 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many accidents do they have on the Autobahn, compared to North American highways?
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posted 25 July 2001 05:36 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many children are playing on the autobahn?
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posted 25 July 2001 05:45 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are the drivers in these car ads driving through areas where children are playing? Do German drivers run over children at a high rate when they aren't driving on the Autobahn?
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The point is that people buy a car for the speed, then drive it in residential areas. If you ever see the police video shows showing car chases, you will see that far from the totally empty roads used in the ads, these people are speeding in traffic, and at busy times.
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If I ever get my hands on that Zoom Zoom kid...
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I've got one of those zoom zoom kids living in my house. A few months ago, my son took that ad to heart and sang the "zoom zoom zoom" song ad nauseum. But it was so cute I didn't care.

MediaBoy, THANK YOU for that link. That was the exact clip I was talking about. I just listened to it about 3 times and laughed like hell every single time. It just doesn't get old for me.

Edited to say, I just got back from the playground with my kid, put him to bed, and listened to the Kasem clip again. Still laughing my ass off. Dawna, you have to listen to it if you haven't already.

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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The Zoom-Zoom kid -- I'll join in that pile-on.

I gotta tell you, though, Socrataire, I listen to my husband every night fuming away at the car commercials, and just about every other commercial that comes on, talking back to the commercials, keeping up this constant mocking buzz at the TV set, and there comes a point, Socrataire, when what I really want to complain about is my husband talking back to the TV set, y'know?


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Let's never watch a show together, kay skdadl? I'd drive you zoomy.

Christ - I'm killing myself over that Casey Kasem clip. oUcH!

It's always the ones that sound the nicest that are meanies...

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: Dawna Matrix ]


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DM I think we are twins seperated at birth or something. How many other people are Dr. Who fans and talk to the TV?
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I wonder. I'm also incredibly creeped out by the synchronicity of your statement - I just read an uncorrected proof of a new book called the Muse Asylum. In it, two Princeton students consider themselves twins separated at birth. And then he goes crazy, and she can't break it off...
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Break it off? Break what off?
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Their relationship, Timwit! What, exactly, were you thinking?
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The worst, as usual. The twins thing might be a bit of a stretch anyway, since we're seperated by almost a decade in age...
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You poor old thing. Let me get your walker for you.
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Don't bother unless it has four legs and shoots up Rebel bases.
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Actually, it's a Tardis type instrument, allowing you to travel anywhere faster than the speed of light. Wanna come fer lunch?
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You know I'm reading double-entendres into everything this morning, DM...
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It must have to do with your new mirror image ::!!
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Actually, the colons were an attempt at a clever "save" after losing so much face with the name tomfoolery. As you will note, the emoticons are parsed similarly...
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We love you, Colons.
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YAHOO! I got a date Monday after work!!!! And my colons weren't even mentioned for once!
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posted 26 July 2001 08:21 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Way to go VT
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Congrats VerbaTim, that's great! So, make sure you come on here and SPILL when it's over.

Regarding people who talk to the TV - I do that all the time. You should see me watching counterSpin. And the news. And documentaries on topics that I'm passionate about. And commercials. It confuses my kid - he thinks I'm talking to him. Oh well.


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Break a leg, :VT:! We shan't breathe a word.
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Michelle: I must agree. The news, documentaries, and counterspin are also the programs I tend to shout at the TV during. Did you here about Philip Morris telling the Czech government they're helping them save money basically by killing people?

*jumps into sarcastic mode*

Well no kidding, PhillipMorris, but wouldn't it be even CHEAPER if we just lined up the weak and shot them? Bullets don't cost all that much and you can re-use guns.

*jumps back out and rejoins reality*

I mean really?! That logic is just so god damned.....BAD!!! i must confess, however, the little zinger up there I stole from someone else . No, it's not mine, alas, I'm not clever enough Oh well, one of these days, maybe


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Logan's Run, baby...you live in a mall and get killed when you turn 30.
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I have a question. Why do people have toe nails? When was the last time toe nails every helped you? They are a useless pain in the ass, in my opinion.

I don't have a very good record of being extremely careful where I step. Thus, I have rammed my big toe into many a table! Did my toenail protect the toe? NO! It got rammed into the skin, causing excrushiating (sp?) pain! After the happens about six times a week, it gets to be a problem. I just finished performing minor surgery on my right foot thanks to my clumsyness and the useless human trait of having toenails! Now I have a considerably high pain tolerance. When I broke my collar bone last year, I waited two weeks to go to the doctor because I thought it was just a torn muscle (I expected a broken bone to hurt more). So believe me when I say this is excrushiating pain!

But seriously folks, toe nails are more of a nuisance than the appendix. Sure, the appendix can kill some people, but everyone stubs their toe. Perhaps we should start removing the appendix and toe nails when a child first comes into this world, since evolution won't grant us the pleasure. I say this semi-jokingly so you know, though.

anyway, I shall retreat to a foot bath of 2 parts water, 6 parts bactein. good night.


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I shouldn't have any complaints since I was suppose to die twice already I have aggressive non hodgekins lymphoma that has been in remission now for a while {7 months}and I hope it stays that way but do to treatments I have received during last 3 years I am unable to work. Yet damn collect corp {thank you Mike Harressment} harrasses me constantly to pay my student loan. The federal portion of my loan was forgiven due to compassionate reasons but the good old ontario part they wont even freeze the interest until I am able to work again damn my 520 dollar welfare check barely feeds me and I am supposed to be damn glad I am alive so all you conservatives out there who think welfare reform is so great some of us are on it out of no fault of our own yet we are picked on just the same wonder what they will say when my morphine shows up in pee tests oh well thats another day
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posted 02 August 2001 08:54 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
robert, it amazes me that someone in your situation has to go on welfare: I've been assuming there was some different disability support available for you, although I admit I know too little about how this works. It's very wrong that such a loan should still be held against you and should still be accumulating interest.

I'm very sorry to hear what you're coping with; I wish I could send more than best wishes, but keep us informed of how things go, personal and political both.


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Michelle
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posted 02 August 2001 08:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Meades, I am biased about toenails. I used to think I had such ugly feet before I got a pedicure the other day. Now when I walk down the street and look at my painted toenails, I turn MYSELF on (if no one else ).

But hey, since you can't paint your toenails without getting some strange looks, I can see where the aesthetic thing wouldn't really be relevant for you...


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meades
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posted 02 August 2001 05:43 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Robert: I hope you get better soon! Have you talked with your MPP about the student loan? They may be able to help. I too wish there was more I could do, but I will be campaigning to oust the tories at least.

Michelle: I stubbed my bad toe again this morning. It took me five minutes to recover from the pain.


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Liam McCarthy
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posted 02 August 2001 05:51 PM      Profile for Liam McCarthy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Robert: I am actively involved in the Candaian Federation of Students. No promises, but email me and I might be able to get you some help with that collection agency. Meades suggestion is also a good one, your MPP might be able to pull some strings.
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Trisha
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posted 05 August 2001 08:20 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ontario policy for disability pensions is that you have to apply, will be refused, appeal, be refused, appeal again and face a tribunal that believes nobody is entitled to disability. During the time you can't work and are going through this process (from one to three years usually), you are stuck on welfare which also doesn't believe people are actually disabled. If you need anything special during this time, you have to apply to the Ontario Works program, which bases your entitlement on such things as your rent (which has nothing to do with your need for illness-related items). I just helped two friends through this process about a year ago.

On Welfare, a single person is expected to be paying about $350 for rent and Works can refuse you any special needs allowances if your rent is higher than this. Also, since you are on Welfare, you are expected to be looking for work, which means you are expected to be able to find a way to pay your bills. I don't know how the government is going to handle the number of ill and disabled people on Welfare who are going to test positive for drugs due to their situations, but I can bet they will be sent into some sort of program to get them off the drugs, even though they need them to live. They did that to an epileptic I know and to a woman who is in chronic pain from a major spinal injury. The woman with the spinal injury is still waiting to be approved by Disability after two years, even though she is in a wheelchair. She 52, has little education and was a cleaner, and they insist she should be able to do some kind of work.

I hope Robert has better luck. The system stinks, no two ways about it. Many people with cancer are not considered disabled under the new rules, many other illnesses are also refused. People who are terminal have to go through the same lengthy process in most cases. Through this entire thing, you are repeatedly told you must know someone who can help you financially, physically (for housework and personal care) and with transportation. It's all more than frustrating.


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DrConway
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posted 05 August 2001 08:31 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's about high time we all moved to Saskatchewan.
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Trisha
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posted 05 August 2001 09:30 PM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know that the other provinces are much better. The Federal system of getting on disability is just about the same as the Ontario one and actually works in conjunction with the provincial systems. From what I heard from my brother in B.C., their system is not much different either. I keep checking the government websites, but there's a lot of stuff you can't find unless you know exactly what to look for.
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rasmus
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posted 05 August 2001 09:39 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Robert, what is happening to you is truly immoral. Please do contact your MPP, and the CFS/Liam. Of course, MPP's under the Harris regime are fairly powerless, but still perhaps they can do something. I wish I had more money, Robert, because truly, I would then give it to you to get those bloodsuckers off your back.

The only other thing I can suggest is contacting the newspapers. Perhaps someone will write you up and embarrass the hell out of the government, particularly since the Harris tories are going down the drain and the federal govt has already forgiven your CSL.

Good luck

Rasmus


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meades
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posted 05 August 2001 11:02 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
R_R is right, if you don't get results soon, embarase the hell out of those %@$#@*$# *%$@*#$1*$#@ ! Here are some links to media sites that you might be able to use:

TheStar.com
Globe and Mail.com
Ottawa Citizen
National Post Online
CBC.ca


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