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ronb
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posted 24 July 2002 03:40 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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A new country-rock song that compares the man known as the American Taliban, John Walker Lindh, to Jesus Christ is drawing both raves and howls of indignation after the 21-year-old pleaded guilty to aiding the former Afghan regime.

In a related story, Johnny Cash is arrested for shooting a man in Texas.

"I just wanted to watch him die," claims Cash.

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[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: ronb ]


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J Rebick
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posted 24 July 2002 03:53 PM      Profile for J Rebick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Johnny Cash...shooting?? Can you post the URL. My mom will freak out when she hears about it.
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posted 24 July 2002 04:06 PM      Profile for markhoffchaney     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Put that man in Folsom Prison.
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posted 24 July 2002 04:39 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a wonderful surprise.

I was going to go to Mariposa in the last minute, btw, drat.

On one level, american politics is about the battle for leadership between two very different regions - the New York-centric - eastern seaboard intelectual elites are battling the Texas oil barons for supremacy.

Steve Earle is a real homefried american bubba with a strong political conscience, and a Texan to boot - Rattleskin boot.

This should stick in the craw like a tarred up plug o' daddies tobaccie.

I am a big fan of Mr Steve Earle, and his fellow Texans Michelle Shocked, and Townes Van Zandt.

liner notes - Steve Earle said to a reporter: "Townes Van Zandt is the best god damned american songwriter who ever lived, and I'll stand up on Bob Dylan's dinner table in my cowboy boots and say it to his face."

Michelle Shocked is an absolute phenomenon live, and stunningly beautiful and delightful company.

That's all I can say.


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posted 24 July 2002 05:35 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Put that man in Folsom Prison.

... after he's been in Reno.

Speaking of J. Cash, did you know that the lyrics to "Pinball Wizard" fit perfectly with the tune of "Folsom Prison Blues"? At a karaoke night in Brisbane, I reduced a number of Australians to helpless laughter by switching from Cash to Townsend for the second verse. As for the rest of 'em... bah. The song was probably too close to the bone for 'em.


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posted 24 July 2002 05:39 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't hear it.

Give us a lead ?

Maybe the first line of the second verse of pinball...


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posted 24 July 2002 05:56 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I actually did know that about Pinball Wizard. Ever tried singing the lyrics for The Mary Tyler Moore Show theme to the tune of Will the Circle Be Unbroken? It doesn't fit that well, but it sure is fun trying to force it to...

Who can turn the
World on with her smile...


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flotsom
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posted 24 July 2002 06:12 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone else see right through this nonsense of changing John Walker's name to the more foreign sounding Lindh ?

Any guestimates on what sort of a sentence he will recieve ?


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'lance
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posted 24 July 2002 06:30 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"John Walker Lindh" is his preferred form of address. It was the "John Walker" he was initially called by the press that was inaccurate.

Besides, if "Lindh" sounds foreign to Americans, then so does the name of that great American idol, Charles Augustus Lindberg. Or, for that matter, that of Rudolph Giuliani.

As for the sentence, that was part of the plea bargain. Twenty years. Whether he'll serve it all remains to be seen, but I doubt it.


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posted 24 July 2002 06:37 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know they said that in the media, 'lance, and, if he had any early legal representation he would be known as Walker.

Names like Cooper, Walker, Smith, Armstrong, are names for good ol' boys.

I was under the impression that he faced, as part of the plea bargain, a possibility of twenty years - he has yet to be sentenced.

Plea bargains are traditionally for charges dropped and charges 'plead to', and a specific sentence limit may or may not be imposed by the AG and agreed to by the defendant and his counsel.


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posted 24 July 2002 06:40 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's all a matter of spin, and the earlier the better.

That said, I think that, after the awful press this young adventurer recieved, his name could have been George Washington Jefferson for all the help it would have done.


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posted 24 July 2002 06:42 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Plea bargains are traditionally for charges dropped and charges 'plead to'

Which is exactly what happened. There were nine charges in the original indictment. Eight were dropped, while he pled guilty to the ninth -- aiding the Taliban -- and to an additional charge -- carrying weapons while doing so.


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posted 24 July 2002 07:44 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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That said, I think that, after the awful press this young adventurer recieved

"young adventurer"? Try "young mercenary".


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posted 24 July 2002 07:46 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A few years earlier and he'd be doing the talk show circuit and regailing Regis and Kath' about all the romance of living with the Mujahedeen.

I got one of those rolled woolen hats from a friend from Oxfam who was in Afghanistan in the eighties.

They're the capital of 'snazz'.


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posted 24 July 2002 07:48 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"young adventurer"? Try "young mercenary

Come 'ere sheep ...


b a a a a a a a a a a A A A A A !!!!!

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posted 24 July 2002 07:51 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"young adventurer"? Try "young mercenary

The one real mercenary I know, from the war in Rhodesia would prefer it if you called him an counter insurectionist.

How 'bout killer for hire ?

Lindh was there with the intention of fighting the northern alliance, not yankee scum, mutton-boy.


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Lindh was there with the intention of fighting the northern alliance, not yankee scum, mutton-boy.

Who wants to speculate on what the Taliban paid forign mercenaries?

I'll say, one tenth what they earn in Columbia fighting the good fight, on contract with the pentagon.

Anybody got some numbers?


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posted 25 July 2002 10:49 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
to get back to the thread drift:

quote:
I actually did know that about Pinball Wizard. Ever tried singing the lyrics for The Mary Tyler Moore Show theme to the tune of Will the Circle Be Unbroken?

I'll see your Mary Tyler Moore and raise you:

Try singing almost any Emily Dickinson poem to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas".

"Because I could not stop for death
He kindly stopped for me"...


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I'm a big Earle fan. The fact that he's willing to stand up for his beliefs and defy whatever is the politically acceptable or popular opinion is rare. This is the same dude who once called Shania Twain "The highest paid lap-dancer in Nashville." I'll take his "fuck you" approach over that sanctimonious prick Bono's messanic ambitions any day of the week.
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posted 25 July 2002 05:55 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fortunately, activism isnít a competition. Diversity of approach is welcome. Required, really, if we're ever going to suceed.
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Yes, but Bono is still a ponce. And his band stinks, too.
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posted 25 July 2002 08:50 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Try singing almost any Emily Dickinson poem to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas".

HAHAHA!

I'm just looking in my book of Dickenson poems right now - and you're right! HAHA!

"A thought went up my mind today
That I have had before..."

"Fate slew him, but he did not drop;
She felled - he did not fall - "

"Remorse is memory awake,
Her companies astir, - "

"God gave a loaf to every bird.
But just a crumb to me;"

"Much madness is divinest sense
To a discerning eye;"

etc. etc. etc.

HAHAHAHA! That is so funny!

[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 25 July 2002 10:35 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Yellow Rose of Texas, I remember it well - think they even gave that tid bit on Cheers or Fraiser or something.

Steve Earle - I guess he picked controversy over good lyrics - too bad he could not deliver both!

quote:
"I'm just an American boy, raised on MTV/ And I've seen all the kids in the soda pop bands/ But none of them look like me/ So I started looking round, and I heard the word of God/
... And he sounded just like Ted Nugent
Well I ain't takin' my peice to the candy story
I'm your gun and I'm shooting blanks
Back in my cell, as the towers fell
Missing last call and my one way ticket home ...

Steve Earl shout stick to songs about boot legging and pot - and not paying his rent

Think Alice would have done the song justice.

[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: vaudree ]


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posted 26 July 2002 03:01 AM      Profile for markhoffchaney     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Transcendental Blues was a great album. Definately some hit and miss lyrics but they can't all be hits.

Never mind the pot and drink and missed rent, what about the "devils right hand" and "Ellis Unit one?"


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