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al-Qa'bong
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posted 29 April 2003 03:06 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, this movie came out in 2001, but I just saw it tonight.

I've never seen anything like it.

Has anyone else seen it? What did you think?

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posted 29 April 2003 05:22 PM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i've read tons about it and have the trailer somewhere, but never got a chance to catch it.

how'd you get to see it? is it still in theatres?


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 29 April 2003 06:28 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Local indy cinema. There were about a dozen or so of us watching.

A few weeks back they played "Bowling for Columbine." I went the night after the Oscars. The place was packed.

I recommend the film, especially if you like surrealism, heavy imagery and a touch of the absurd. And, unlike their portrayal by Hollywood, (go figure) Arabs are shown as normal human beings!


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posted 30 April 2003 05:08 AM      Profile for sleK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Off Topic:

Ohhhhhhh! Divine Intervention the moooooovie!?

I thought this thread was about Divine Interventions the... uh... well, let's just say... uhhh, sex toys. «« not work safe but very very amusing.

/Off Topic


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posted 01 May 2003 02:42 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Divine Intervention has something in common with another film,Stranger than Paradise, in that the music of Screamin' Jay Hawkins plays a major role.

I was never very taken with Natatcha Atlas' version of I Got My Spell on You before, but since seeing the film, I've dragged out my "Ayeshteni" CD and played it a lot in the car....waiting for silent confrontations at red lights....


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posted 01 May 2003 01:48 PM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ha! i liked it from the very beginning, even though my girlfriend and many others thought i was out of my mind.

though Ayeshteni is no way near as good as her best record, Halim

ana saHartak / because you’re mine...


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posted 01 May 2003 05:58 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found the film hard to get into for a while. The narrow lens focus gave many of the scenes a very claustophobic feel (gee, I wonder why?) and I couldn't keep track of people and places for a while.

But when two of the main protagonists in the film are a checkpoint and a balloon....


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posted 28 May 2003 01:45 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of Palestinian films, this article caught my attention only because of the title of the picture:

Hay mish Eishi ("This is not Living").


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posted 01 June 2003 03:38 PM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
here's an interesting recent interview with Natacha Atlas; apparently she has a new album out, entitled Something Dangerous:

quote:
I'm sitting opposite Natacha Atlas, a woman whose fluttering Arabic vocals could turn a wet city street into a shimmering souk. Atlas is tiny, possibly less than five feet tall, and startlingly good-looking, her natural charms - jet hair, pale green eyes, ludicrous bone structure - helped along with half a ton of kohl and false lashes that seem independently active. In a raincoat tied at the waist and lots of tinkling bangles, she looks mysterious, in a Casablanca kind of way, which fits our current topic: spies. We've been discussing Atlas's inspirations - who include the renowned Egyptian singer Umm Kulthum - when Atlas, 37, sits forward.

"But," she says, in conspiratorial tones, "I really preferred Asmahan El Atrache. Umm Kulthum had an amazing voice, but rather masculine. Asmahan died quite young, so she didn't develop that timbre. Incredible personality. Syrian background, fled to Egypt along with her brother Farid, who was a famous oud-player - this thing like a lute, you know? Asmahan was a film actress, very glamorous; they say the family was deposed royalty, so she's a princess - it's a real fairy story. She's the only one who could have rivalled Umm Kulthum - and the rumour is that Umm Kulthum had her killed. Car was rigged, the guy driving it jumped out before it went into the Nile. She drowned. But she was certainly also a spy, working for two or three different sides - really playing a game - at the time of Suez."


yikes.

anyhow, i didn't realise this:

quote:
The sound reflects her own components: born in Belgium to an English mother and Sephardic Jewish father, her roots are Arab, with links not just to Palestine but to Morocco and Egypt, the place she feels is home. Kicking around the North African community in Brussels, she heard Arab music, watched Hindi movies and got her belly-dancing groove on - not some ineffectual wiggle but the real hip-twister, which she now uses in shows "because I can't do rock dancing".

i once wrote in a review of one of her albums that her father was Palestinian, while a good friend of mine who writes for Exclaim wrote a review in which he claimed her dad was Egyptian. it seems we've all been duped. adds an interesting dimension to that scene from Divine Intervention, too.

anyhow, from the clips it sounds like Atlas is trying (again) to do something rather different on Something Dangerous, which is cool. i have a feeling it's going to be rather mediocre, though. i'll find out when i hear the full CD. you can hear all of "Eye of the Duck" (?!) and the complete "Something Dangerous" at Mantra Recordings' page on her. i don't think i really fancy either of them. on "Janamaan" she sings a duet in Urdu, as though Arabic, French, English and Spanish weren't enough. it's really weird hearing Urdu sung in a sort of British-Cairene accent, though Arabic pop singers are doing these Arabic-Urdu songs a lot lately; witness Khaled's "El Harba Wine" and Hisham Abbas' "Nari Narain."

it's interesting, though, that the title track begins with an ambient sound clip from a British protest ("We don't want no bloody war!"), and then goes into a rap about government deception. i can't decipher Atlas' Egyptian vernac Arabic vocals, though, but i assume it's something political as well. also, i can just discern another anti-war clip coming in near the end.


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posted 02 June 2003 03:13 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
it seems we've all been duped. adds an interesting dimension to that scene from Divine Intervention, too.

OK, I'm slow on the uptake...which scene?
[I need to see that movie again, is it out on video yet?]

And it must be nice to understand the words to the songs sung in Arabic, etc. I'm limited to just digging the groove.


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posted 02 June 2003 10:03 AM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the scene in which they're at the traffic lights and Elie's character cranks "I Put a Spell On You". (i saw it in the trailer.)
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posted 02 June 2003 12:34 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was thinking about the car scene, but I wasn't sure if that's what you meant. I was looking for some obvious connexion. Hidden dimensions...
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posted 30 June 2003 01:56 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I harangued my local video store into ordering the movie. They finally got around to it.

It was great. I must agree with Al, that the scenes seem very claustrophobic.

I deperately want to talk about certain imagery seen in the film, but I don't want to spoil the movie for others.

A "spoiler" thread perhaps?


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posted 30 June 2003 02:56 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gee, I'll have to bug the public library into buying the film. It warrants a few viewings I think, just to pick up on everything that's portrayed.

I don't know if discussing the imagery will ruin the picture for those who haven't seen it. It isn't as if the cavalry shows up at the last minute and rescues Palestine.

But why did Santa have to die?


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posted 30 June 2003 03:05 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He doesn't, you can see him in the hospital hallway, where everyone is smoking, he has a bandage on his chest.

You'll have to edit the thread title now to add spoiler!


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posted 30 June 2003 03:13 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm curious about the symbolism behind Elia's girlfriend departing his house.

Is she through with the relationship?
Does she become a militant (The Palestinian Ninja scence perhaps answeres that), or does she martyr herself?

She seems a bit distant in the car scenes and then we don't see her again. Is it an expression of the theme of frustration that we seem to constantly see in the movie?

I felt a bit heartbroken when she doesn't show up at the checkpoint.


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posted 30 June 2003 04:39 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Is it an expression of the theme of frustration that we seem to constantly see in the movie?

AAAHHHH!
Can you imagine any tenser, more frustrating "love scenes" in any movie than those scenes in the car?

I lurved that scene where she walked through the checkpoint, staring the IOF dudes down, while the checkpoint collapsed.

How about the woman dumping *stuff* in her barren garden? Then there was the guy throwing garbage in his next-door-neighbour's yard...and the kid with the football.

So Santa lived? Like I said, I'll need to see this picture again to catch what I missed.

The order's in.

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posted 04 July 2003 11:22 AM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hey, check out the video for Natacha Atlas' "When I Close My Eyes". pretty dope, it is.
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It took a while to get in to. I also found the shots somewhat uncomfortable. But thinking back, it was quite enjoyable. I couldn't help but laugh at all the little moments in the film. the kid with the football....the licence plate....the guy who always says 6..

One of the things that really stuck with me was the scene where the kids were beating something with a baseball bat and the guy came in and shot it...the end of that scene suprised me and I loved how it totally threw me off as to what the thing was...


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