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miles
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posted 16 November 2004 10:03 AM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
as part of this years Toronto Jewish Film Festival the movie Heir To An Execution will make its Toronto premiere on Sunday, November 21.

This Sundance Film Festival hit traces filmmaker Ivy Meeropol's search for the real story of her grandparents, the infamous Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

Years before civil liberties were thrown into the garbage after 9/11 the Rosenbergs were executed for selling nuclear secrets to the Soviets. This movie is made by the grand-daughter about grandparents she never met.


I think that this is a must see movie in order to remember that scapegoats have always been found throughout the ages.


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addie
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posted 17 November 2004 12:33 PM      Profile for addie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw this film when i was at Sundance. It is an amazingly sad story of the idiotcy of fanatasism.

They say that those who forget history is damned to repeat it ... or something like that.

It seems that the USA of the 2000 forgot the history of the late '40s early '50s.

All should try to see it


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miles
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posted 17 November 2004 02:47 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Addie what was the reaction to it like at Sundance?

I have heard that a couple of colleges in the US want to include it in their curriculum.


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posted 17 November 2004 03:20 PM      Profile for libertarian        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read that the Rosenbergs were guilty too.
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Bacchus
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posted 17 November 2004 03:24 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm well Julius certainly was but its is far far less sure about ethel. Wasnt the brother in law the more guilty one but he fingered ethel?
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miles
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posted 17 November 2004 03:26 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
was it the brother in law that said years later that he lied to police about the rosenbergs to protect himself?
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BleedingHeart
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posted 17 November 2004 03:26 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by libertarian:
I read that the Rosenbergs were guilty too.

As soon as the atom bomb was exploded over Hiroshima, there no longer was a secret


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posted 17 November 2004 03:31 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They were still convicted of treason.
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addie
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posted 17 November 2004 03:35 PM      Profile for addie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yes they were convicted of treason. but what angers me is that Mrs. Rosenberg was executed while having 2 children under 9 years old. i would have thought that some clemmency could be granted -- even life in prison without parole -- so that the boys did not have to grow up as orphans.
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skdadl
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posted 17 November 2004 03:47 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
David Greenglass has confessed to lying -- under pressure from the prosecution to perjure himself -- about the role that Ethel -- his sister -- played, in order to save his wife from prosecution.

Here is a summary of the investigation and trial.

There is no question that a cell/spy ring existed and managed to pass some specific information on to the Soviets, but Julius was at first correctly perceived as only one small cog in a larger wheel. The government only gradually focused in on him, and then Ethel, because Julius refused to incriminate himself, and the government by then needed someone to prosecute.

I think there is also no question that their prosecution, sentencing, and execution were grotesquely excessive. Klaus Fuchs, who was back in Britain when he was cornered and confessed, was sentenced there to fourteen years in prison, freed after nine, and emigrated to East Germany.

[ 17 November 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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jeff house
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posted 17 November 2004 03:53 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've done a fair amount of reading on this subject. For what it's worth, I concluded that Julius Rosenberg was guilty of espionage, and, given the usual sentences, should have received 20-25 years in custody.

Ethel Rosenberg was factually innocent. While Soviet files, now available, refer to Juius regularly, there is no mention of Ethel as having done anything, or provided anything to the Soviets.

I think the US government sentenced her to death to put pressure on Julius. When he didn't crack, they executed an innocent woman.


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BleedingHeart
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posted 17 November 2004 06:55 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
They were still convicted of treason.

No they were not convicted of treason although the prosecution used the word a lot in the trial. Treason is in fact the only crime to be defined in the US Constitution and is consequently very difficult to get a conviction on in the US.


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