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Michelle
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posted 07 May 2006 09:13 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Flip This House, definitely.

I mean, some of the shows that show you how to decorate on the cheap - that's okay, although I don't like the consumerism of some of the shows where they're all like, "Oh, that's so LAST season!"

But Flip This House, with the rich contractors killing the environment with their hummers, and the naked greed of making tens of thousands (in one case, over a million) buying a place at auction, fixing it up, and flipping it...seeing the type of excesses that well-heeled buyers consider necessary, etc...

Well, anyhow. Class rage. But it's like a train wreck - I can't help watching it when I flip to it while channel surfing.


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posted 07 May 2006 09:59 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This show is annoying! But you're right, hard not to watch. There are some clones of this show on as well.

I know this probably doesn't belong here but even more classist is that show the Bounty Hunter. The one with the very steretypical he-man mullet family, where the whole show is dedicated to tracking people down for skipping on a bail bond. That show makes me ill.

Have you seen the show about the family with the 16 kids who built their own house? That was pretty cool.


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posted 08 May 2006 06:01 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I liked that one where the five guys have to reno' a house in five days with a clock running to D day. I only saw one episode, the one where the carpenter was waiting on the welder to make him up some hardware for a revolving three-sided bar top with game boards on each side. They did the backyard to look like Victorian era London with smog-makers hidden under manhole covers, and a motion detector that triggered a lamp to cast an outline of Jack the Ripper on the garage wall. Iiiiii was impressed.
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Michelle
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posted 08 May 2006 06:51 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stargazer, I saw commercials for that show for the first time yesterday, that Bounty Hunter show! Ick. It looks worse than COPS. I don't think I could watch that one, even out of disgusted fascination. I'd be too pissed off.

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I liked that one where the five guys have to reno' a house in five days with a clock running to D day.

Isn't that pretty much every other show on HGTV?

Seriously though, yeah, I think that's why I watch them, Fidel. I'm also amazed with what they get done in such a short period of time. And, I'd kind of like some paint and curtain ideas for my new apartment. I can't see myself painting in here any time soon, since it's taking me so long just to unpack (which is totally unlike me). I do need curtains, however, since my bedroom faces directly out onto a busy street with huge windows.


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posted 08 May 2006 08:36 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So many reasons to be happy we got rid of cable!
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Michelle, if it were up to me, I think I'd go for the very basic Venetian blinds made with bamboo or something natural. You already know about lead-containing PVC blinds deteriorating and hazardous to health. So ya, don't get those ones.

My last "companion" did her apartment up real nice with wooden box type hangers and this like, heavy cloth with flowery pattern. I think she only put a stitch or two here and there to wrap it up around the horizontal wood rod at above the window frame.

And get this ... she moves into the place in centre of Ottawa, and the place needs painting real bad. The owner says, "I'm not paying." So "Loki", runs out and buys about seven hundred bucks worth of the best paint she could find, and does it up real nice with the volunteer beer brigade. Loki sends mr "I dun wanna pay" a copy of the receipts, and threatens small claims court if he doesn't take it off the rent owed. He paid, no problemo.


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posted 09 May 2006 02:58 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And I am not a prevert for having rubbernecked this thread on the way by. I was genuinely curious, so there.
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posted 09 May 2006 07:59 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fidel, you're not a pervert?

Michelle, I'm moving end of June and I am freaked out!!


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Michelle
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posted 09 May 2006 08:37 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are you, Stargazer? And Fidel, you're no prevert. I deliberately picked that thread title to make people curious. I'm sure everyone's disappointed that we're only talking about HGTV shows.

I'm thinking just cheap Ikea curtains. That's about my budget right now. And I certainly don't have the patience to make homemade blinds!

I have a curtains already for the kitchen and living room windows, but I just need to buy a rod to hang them. Bleah. I am NOT a handy person. I think I like the IDEA of being a handy person and doing work around the house, but when it comes to actually doing it - that's where everything breaks down!

How come you're stressing over your move, Stargazer? Have you found a new place yet?


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posted 09 May 2006 09:17 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like the mortgage will go through - the Caisse Populaire is talking to the Notary who does legal stuff for me. Hopefully will have everything settled by the end of the month. What's really annoying is that I have two loans (skidoo, ATV) already with the Caisse, and one of them has to go, both only have a year to go. So, I'm paying off the ATV loan by selling it. It pisses me off. The mortgage will cost less than the rent I'm currently paying, but they still won't let me hold both loans and the mortgage. Arrrrgh.

Well, at least I'll have my own place. The property needs a few loads of topsoil, as it's centre bare - just dirt where grass should be. For whatever reason, the current owners just let the wind do its work rather than put in some grass in the centre. I'll put in a few small bushes and build up the grass. Maybe a fence. The property isn't as large as I thought, but still nice. It has a lot of landscaping potential, and it already has a veggie garden ready to plant. I won't be moving early enough to do any planting, and the current owners don't seem inclined to plant anything for me.

The place is a long trailer with a basement running half the length of it, with an extension built on to one side, and insulation and siding outside of the whole building. There's space for me to build another extension to use as a computer room - I'll be using the basement bedroom for that purpose when I get moved. There's a huge garage that I probably will add a concrete floor to next year - it's currently a wood floor that probably wouldn't support my truck. Once the mortgage goes through (if it does) and it's signed and legal, I'll post a photo of the place. There's a spare bedroom for anyone passing through.


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posted 09 May 2006 12:39 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is much easier to get consumer credit than a mortgage.

If one requires a mortgage,get rid of the cards and personal loans first.The mortgage application process is geared to long term debt and a propensity for short term credit acquisition does not reflect good financial management to mortgage lenders.

Another negative sign to mortgage lenders is a low credit score on one's credit report.

Every time one applies for credit,it lowers one's credit score.

Get rid of the cards and personal debt,have a steady job for at least 6 months and then apply for a mortgage.

After the mortgage is acquired,then go for the toys.Now your a homeowner and asset based credit such as new cars and toys are thrown at you.


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posted 09 May 2006 12:53 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Flip This House, definitely.

I mean, some of the shows that show you how to decorate on the cheap - that's okay, although I don't like the consumerism of some of the shows where they're all like, "Oh, that's so LAST season!"

But Flip This House, with the rich contractors killing the environment with their hummers, and the naked greed of making tens of thousands (in one case, over a million) buying a place at auction, fixing it up, and flipping it...seeing the type of excesses that well-heeled buyers consider necessary, etc...

Well, anyhow. Class rage. But it's like a train wreck - I can't help watching it when I flip to it while channel surfing.


It is TV but not reality. Most contractors drive old beat up pickups because the reality is much different than the house porn.

In a rising market,demand drives up prices,not a five gallon overhaul.Buying a fixer-upper and making a killing is not as easy as it appears.

First of all,the amount of labour involved in a makeover program will guarantee the speculator a big loss in real life.

The reality is that many of those renos on TV would take the speculator and his/her spouse/partner/parents/fill-in -blank a year to do themselves.

If they have jobs or social lives,the conflicts and pressures on them will increase as the project continues.

Especially if they are amateurs.

Especially if they do not have contingencies built into their budget.

Especially if they need to rely on sub-trades who will take on every job they can,start them all to hold them and then start juggling jobs.not showing up and having to be chased to work constantly.

The greatest mistake amateurs make is to build or reno to the wife's personal taste instead of to the market-and end up with a lemon that wont generate a profit.


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posted 09 May 2006 01:01 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jester:
After the mortgage is acquired,then go for the toys.Now your a homeowner and asset based credit such as new cars and toys are thrown at you.

Thanks! I haven't used any credit cards since last year, and paid them off the following month. The mortgage is conditionally approved, just some information from me needed - CMHC may still balk when they learn the house has a wood furnace. But every house here has a wood furnace - the power sometimes goes off for days at a time in the winter.

I'll be paying off the ATV today, and sell it tomorrow. Next year, as soon as the skidoo loan is paid, I'll buy another ATV - they're pretty essential here.

I've got 48 hours or so to bite my nails and hope the mortgage application is accepted in full.


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posted 09 May 2006 02:26 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good luck,Boom Boom. Most folks do qualify for mortgages but do not understand the process.

They are bombarded by retail credit opportunities and believe the mortgage industry values them in the same manner.Not true.

CMHC is mandated to provide services in rural and isolated areas that reflect those concerns.

Where they would baulk at wood appliances in an urban or small town environment,they allow them in rural areas.A bigger concern is fire insurance.The trend in fire loss protection is to avoid wood burning appliances.It is a moot point in isolated areas where the insurance industry will decline coverage entirely.They tend to concentrate their efforts on lowest risk,not public convenience.


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posted 09 May 2006 04:25 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if I can't get the place insured and CMHC balks, then I'll also be selling my skidoo and looking for an apartment in Sept-Iles. Not my ideal location, but haven't any time to find something else.
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posted 09 May 2006 05:37 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The classic example of this is Martha Stewart and her refrigerated drawers. Who the hell in the real world has refrigerated drawers? Well - probably lots of people since Martha got them, but I don't know any.
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posted 09 May 2006 08:12 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Martha Stewart has refrigerated drawers?? Her cool demeanor belies such passion...but for the average person,a cold shower must suffice.
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posted 09 May 2006 11:04 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
and the naked greed of making tens of thousands (in one case, over a million) buying a place at auction, fixing it up, and flipping it...

Well, I've never seen this show ('cause I never watch TV). But I am not sure that it's wrong to make money by buying something, fixing it up, and then reselling it. I gather that people do this with bicycles, cars, computers, furniture, etc. And, if someone can refurbish something (furniture, cars, houses, computers, whatever) in such a way as to make a lot of money, I don't necessarily have a problem with that.


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posted 09 May 2006 11:15 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't like flipping because to generate a real profit they'll lowball the sellers. Like others have said, the reality of the business is uglier than the tv shows. But fixing up an older house instead of building a new one seems to be the way to go. Having grown up in calgary I can say that it's a crime to tear down heritage buildings in favour of 'modern' montrosities. I cringe when I see quaint older homes for sale as "land only, tear down and build your dream castle".
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posted 09 May 2006 11:26 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From roughly 1955 to 1968, my family built our own houses, living in them for a while, then selling them for a reasonable profit. We were never rich; just struggling to remain middle class.
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posted 10 May 2006 12:03 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Martha (but not Stewart):

Well, I've never seen this show ('cause I never watch TV). But I am not sure that it's wrong to make money by buying something, fixing it up, and then reselling it. I gather that people do this with bicycles, cars, computers, furniture, etc. And, if someone can refurbish something (furniture, cars, houses, computers, whatever) in such a way as to make a lot of money, I don't necessarily have a problem with that.


Tens of thousands of dollars do not warrant nakedness,a flirty decolletage will suffice.Given the market vagarities of the day,only millions of dollars warrant a distasteful display od naked greed.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
From roughly 1955 to 1968, my family built our own houses, living in them for a while, then selling them for a reasonable profit. We were never rich; just struggling to remain middle class.

The capital gains tax is most amusing. As with any attempt at an inheritance tax,a capital gains tax on princpal residences is the kiss of death to any political party that proposes it.

The wealth that has accrued unearned to heirs is the greatest untapped tax potential available to government.An ethical government could utilise this tax potential to create a truly progressive society.Too bad Canada does not have the fortitude to invest in such a government.

I have been a general contractor/developer/builder most of my adult life. I have the knowledge,the skills and the financial ability to be obscenely wealthy yet I choose to build houses for a hobby-small elegant houses with high ceilings,crowns,trays and spectacular staircases.I can generate huge revenues as an oilfield contractor yet I don't care about wealth,only making an architectural statement.I must have a recessive lefty gene standing in the way of success. wheres the insane cacking smiley?


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posted 10 May 2006 01:37 AM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love small, elegant houses. Here are some cool ones.

Tiny Houses

Just like a huge mansion, they are a little impractical, but they definitely make a statement.


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posted 10 May 2006 02:52 AM      Profile for Left Turn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those tiny houses must be some of the most environmentally friendly houses people can buy. Defnintely much better than the large suburban monstrosities that mostly get built these days.
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posted 10 May 2006 07:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by worker_drone:
I don't like flipping because to generate a real profit they'll lowball the sellers.

Yeah, seems that way to me too. Although on this one show, the people buying the place would buy it at auction, so I don't know if it's that bad. I don't know. It's just that the show gave me an icky feeling.


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posted 10 May 2006 11:30 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle wrote:

quote:
But Flip This House, with the rich contractors killing the environment with their hummers, and the naked greed of making tens of thousands (in one case, over a million) buying a place at auction, fixing it up, and flipping it...seeing the type of excesses that well-heeled buyers consider necessary, etc...

Jester is right that for most individuals, this is a tall order - but for well-heeled consortiums its a great investment. But of course, when you have the investment companies, the real estate industry, the land speculators, and municipalities, all conspiring for their own benefit to drive the costs of basic houses up, then you see what is happening in major cities all over Canada and the US - who can afford these homes anymore? Owning your own home used to be called the American Dream and now, because of this rampant greed, its really turning into just that - a dream.

Another show that typifies this is "Buy Me" which is made in Quebec and generally features homes in Montreal and environs (but with English speakers only for the American audience). The prices being bandied about for these homes and some of the really unsympathetic people featured really gets the old class rage going. I keep asking the question when I watch these shows "where do these people get their money?" I guess that makes me a red, eh?

As for "Dog" the "Bounty Hunter" I've watched it too and its a pure train wreck. Talk about class betrayal! And have you noticed that "Dog" has a color glossy of George W. Bush above his desk? Oh, he loves Bush - and Jesus too! They pray together sometimes before they take someone down. Its really quite nauseating. Now its Canada's turn to suffer, apparently.


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posted 10 May 2006 12:20 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jester:
I have been a general contractor/developer/builder most of my adult life. I have the knowledge,the skills and the financial ability to be obscenely wealthy yet I choose to build houses for a hobby-small elegant houses with high ceilings,crowns,trays and spectacular staircases.I can generate huge revenues as an oilfield contractor yet I don't care about wealth,only making an architectural statement.

I wish you lived here - we could use folks like you. I say that in sincerity, but it's also true that there's not many here that can afford to hire a contractor at any rate; most do their own work. What we need is an 'open house' to demonstrate what is possible with limited resources. There's two carpenters/contractors here, and most of their income comes from school and airport contracts. One also owns a sawmill and both own a carpentry workshop. They only occasionally work on houses.


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AE:
But of course, when you have the investment companies, the real estate industry, the land speculators, and municipalities, all conspiring for their own benefit to drive the costs of basic houses up, then you see what is happening in major cities all over Canada and the US - who can afford these homes anymore? Owning your own home used to be called the American Dream and now, because of this rampant greed, its really turning into just that - a dream
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Absolutely.Not just in major cities but even small towns have their cabal of inter-related entities that wish to control the process to line their own pockets.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
What we need is an 'open house' to demonstrate what is possible with limited resources.

No kidding. I've often wondered if someone with no skills could be taught to put up a basic, modern structure on their own or with the help of some family members, including wiring and plumbing.


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quote:
Originally posted by RP.:

No kidding. I've often wondered if someone with no skills could be taught to put up a basic, modern structure on their own or with the help of some family members, including wiring and plumbing.


Anyone can build if they have the drive to see the project through.As a general contractor,I learned from all the trades and can do everything myself.

A person constructing their own home can apply for their own electrical permit and a plumbing permit if the inspector considers them competent.

The most common mistake by amateurs is to compound elevation errors.All elevations are taken from a reference point,not added cumulatively.

The catch to building your own home is that it will be impossible to sell for at least 10 years after occupancy unless there is home warranty on the structure.


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Those tiny houses must be some of the most environmentally friendly houses people can buy. Defnintely much better than the large suburban monstrosities that mostly get built these days.

Yeah. On that site the builder talks about his vision of a community of tiny homes, with green space and pathways, right in the middle of the city. I love that thought. I look at the vacant lot across the street from me and try to visualize what that would look like.


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I got the mortgage today! And it's cheaper than my apartment in terms of monthly payments, and I fully own the place in ten years. Yahoo!!!

I'll post a photo of the place if anyone's interested - right by the sea.


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posted 12 May 2006 07:14 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congrats! Of course we want photos of the house!
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foreground: garage
background: small woodshed
background: garden (inside green fencing)
background: Gulf of St. Lawrence

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This is a shot of the trailer/house from the back - you can not see the basement or the addition on the other side. That's the garage on the right, house on the left.


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Boom Boom, this is wonderful news and I'm so happy for you. I once owned a built-onto mobile home and it was cozy and comfortable, compact but roomy and efficient -- and it had a terrific kitchen.

And even though you're not moving until July 1, I think you can still plan some gardening. Grow some salad -- plant some quick-growing leaf lettuce, radishes, etc. and have some bedding plants ready to be transplanted. Have some tomato plants in a pot and take them with you to your new home.

What fun you'll have. I look forward to hearing more about your plans as the next few weeks pass.


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posted 12 May 2006 08:41 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll negotiate with the owners about what kind of a garden to put in. they've offered to plant potatoes and onions.

The trailer is all new inside: new wiring, breaker panel, electric heaters. New kitchen. New bathroom. New floors throughout. Nice all-new furniture.

I need to install a much stronger front door and frame, new chimney for the wood furnace, and next year, in the garage, put a cement floor in to replace the wooden one. The garage is enormous.

I'm going to build a stairway down to the beach from the edge of the property, something I can take up in the winter, and put back in the spring.

I'm thinking of building another addition to the house: a computer room, and extra bathroom for guests.


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Naci_Sey
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posted 12 May 2006 08:47 PM      Profile for Naci_Sey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by worker_drone:
I love small, elegant houses. Here are some cool ones.

Tiny Houses

Just like a huge mansion, they are a little impractical, but they definitely make a statement.



Sighhh... there's my dream house. I've yearned all my life to own a little house with a loft, something no bigger than a single garage. Alas, with land so expensive, it'll never happen.

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posted 12 May 2006 10:02 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Boom Boom:

Congrats on the house!

By the way - were those pictures taken, um, last week? Or, wow, its been a loooonnng winter where you are!


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posted 12 May 2006 10:35 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That reminds me so much of my house in the desert, it has the same feeling space all around but in a very diferent environment! How wonderful to have all those outbuildings too. I hope you'll be really happy in your new home. Sometimes I miss living in a rural area.
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posted 12 May 2006 11:12 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:
By the way - were those pictures taken, um, last week? Or, wow, its been a loooonnng winter where you are!


AE:

Actually, these are all photos from March/06.

Here's more, three of these links are the same as above, but I forget which ones are which:

http://i2.tinypic.com/qyif7d.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/qyie04.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/nnsm0l.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/nntiet.jpg

http://tinypic.com/nnt9bp.jpg


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