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audra trower williams
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posted 28 November 2001 09:06 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What do I have to set fire to in order to prevent The Farrely Brothers from ever making another movie?
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posted 28 November 2001 09:09 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wanna borrow a match?
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posted 28 November 2001 09:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was going to go and see that when my mother took me to the movies for my birthday (first time at the movies since August!), but we ended up not going because I'd heard bad things on Marigold about it, and Mom had heard the premise of the movie and wasn't impressed.

So Audra, did you actually end up going to see the movie? Weren't you saying on Marigold that you wanted someone else to go see the movie so you could hate it with justification? hee hee


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posted 28 November 2001 09:24 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but there were no takers (Ms. I'm Writing My Essay!), so Europa and I had to go see it ourselves.. It made me so angry, (europa, too. Maybe it was her comments that you read here) that I could hardly think straight. I mean, what's funnier than someone thinking a fat girl is a pretty girl?! That's comedy gold.
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posted 28 November 2001 10:22 PM      Profile for sherpafish   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess I have my head in the sand; I had not even heard of this 'film' until I read this thread - sounds horrible. But then I found Shrek insulting.
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posted 28 November 2001 11:15 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I couldn't make heads or tails what Shallow Hal was about. Didn't look that funny anyways.
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posted 28 November 2001 11:28 PM      Profile for bandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only movie yet that I've seen of theirs that I all out didn't like was Say It isn't So. I wont be seeing this one (until it comes out on satelite a million years from now) but I did enjoy There's something about mary and Me, Myself, and Irene.I've liked a lot of brother duo pics like the Coen bros. etc. I don't know why. It must be my extremely bad taste.
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posted 28 November 2001 11:32 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really liked Something About Mary. So that's who the Farelly brothers are?
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posted 29 November 2001 12:27 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The premise of the film is that the lead character is hypnotised into seeing inner beauty/evil in people. Thus: Hot chicks look ugly (because they're all bitches) and ugly (specifically: fat) chicks look hot, because they're all really nice selfless people who volunteer with the elderly and the disabled. So he falls in love with what *he* thinks is a totally hot chick, but it turns out she's actually a *nice* chick, therefore hugely fat! Hilarity ensues!
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You seem to be leaving out the part where he falls in love with her for who she really is.
Thus teaching a lesson to us all.

I, to be quite honest, found that part to be very disconcerting.

I guess you can call me Shallow Captaffy.

[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: Captaffy ]


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posted 29 November 2001 12:36 AM      Profile for bandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
so do bitchy "fat chicks" make his eyes pop out or what?
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posted 29 November 2001 12:45 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
audra, I fear you are being excessively cynical.

Yes, Hollywood does have a tendency to mutilate the message the scriptwriter(s) is/are trying to present, but geez, every once in a while a gem shines in all the shit.


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posted 29 November 2001 12:52 AM      Profile for Liam McCarthy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to admit that I went to see this movie and I didn't find particularly offensive. In fact it was a little on the boring side. I was expecting Something About Mary but it ended up being more of a Harry met Sally in a fat suit.
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posted 29 November 2001 12:53 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a tough time thinking that a film wherein a heavy woman:

Jumps in a pool, and a kid ends up getting projectiled into a nearby tree

Cuts off 1/4 of a full cake and shoves it into her mouth

Breaks a chair in a restaurant, not once but twice

... is anything but disrespectful to that woman.

Also: The skinny girls=shallow bitches charactersation was just as gross.

Actual dialogue from a character you're not supposed to hate: "Sometimes girls are ugly ducklings, so they were ugly in high school, and forced to develop personalities. Some of these girls are still insecure about their looks, because they don't realize that they are beautiful. Those girls are the real catches."

AUGH!

[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: audra estrones ]


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posted 29 November 2001 01:08 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The film sounds like either a sickeningly sweet romance used a vehicle for fat jokes. This I'm not even going to see on video.
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posted 29 November 2001 10:37 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the reviews I've read, the problem isn't that they went too far. The problem is that they didn't go far enough. These guys are the alleged kings of politically-incorrect humour. But Shallow Hal pulls too many punches. Most critics I've read say the movie would be way funnier and more effective if the fat jokes were MORE offensive, because then they'd be more rediculous.
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posted 29 November 2001 12:17 PM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for this thread, everyone. I was actually thinking of going! I read rave reviews from the film critics that I trust, but after reading this...

( remember I didn't particularly like Mary)


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posted 29 November 2001 12:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
You seem to be leaving out the part where he falls in love with her for who she really is.
Thus teaching a lesson to us all.

But he only falls in love with her for who she really is when she appears to be skinny, right? He has to see this fat women as skinny before he can fall in love with her. That's not falling in love with her for who she really is - she really isn't skinny. She really is fat, but he can't fall in love with her until he sees her as skinny. That's the whole problem with it - he DOESN'T fall in love with her the way she really is.

And they've equated "nice" with skinny and "bad" with fat by saying that the women are been seen by him as they "really are" - and if they "really are" nice, then he sees them as skinny, but if they "really are" mean or bad, he sees them as fat.

They pretty much pleased no one. Fat women are annoyed because they try to flatter fat women with the idea that they're all nice people underneath all that fat, but then they equate nice with skinny when it comes to looks. Skinny women are annoyed because they're all characterized as nasty. Man, could they have GONE further wrong?

Of course, I'm just going by the brief descriptions of the story that I've heard. When it comes out on video I'll have to watch it and see if all that criticism is really valid. Nothing like reviewing a movie you haven't seen, huh?


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posted 29 November 2001 02:03 PM      Profile for Liam McCarthy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think people might missing the point in this movie. It is a satirical examination of our stereotypes of fat and thin women, and I believe that the role of the beautiful woman across the hall crystalizes that point. She was "hot" and not a "bitch", and was interested in Hal once she discovered that he was not indeed shallow. Who knows, maybe I'm too shallow to be offended.
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Re: Shallow Hal ..... expecting excellence, sensitivity and respect from this genre of movie is a little like expecting depictions of haute cuisine from "American Pie". It ain't happening, and it's a waste of time to speculate on the reasons (or get really mad about it). It's a shallow movie.

[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: Twilight-Cedar ]


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posted 29 November 2001 05:52 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's absolutely true, Twilight. And I can take a rude comedy as well as anyone else - I don't mind laughing at sexist humour (I loved Married With Children). But I was under the impression that this movie was supposed to be a funny but touching comedy, making a social comment about how people put too much stock in appearances. That's what I was critiquing.

But I was thinking it might be fun to take in the movie. Sometimes it's fun to leave the Women's Studies course on the bookshelf and just go have a raunchy laugh.

[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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They pretty much pleased no one. Fat women are annoyed because they try to flatter fat women with the idea that they're all nice people underneath all that fat, but then they equate nice with skinny when it comes to looks. Skinny women are annoyed because they're all characterized as nasty. Man, could they have GONE further wrong?
No one bothered to tell me what the male love interest looked like. Was he ugly on the inside or on the outside?

I don`t know, I`ve deleted "Wolf with the Red Roses" from every copy of Bat out of Hell I owned because, although it is funny, makes you feel down and distrustful of the motives of others. I didn`t enjoy "Dude Where`s my Car" either because I felt cheep, frivilous, insignificant and dumb afterwards. Didn`t like "One Flew over the Cockoo`s Nest" for the same reason. I was not one of the rebels - I was either the mean frigid meticulous nurse or the frivilous playthings - it was not my rebellion - I was not part of it - I was left out. Going to a movie is like having sex - it`s not how you feel at the time - it`s how good you feel afterwards.


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***************SPOILER*********************

Michelle,

In the end, he is "unhypnotized" by his friend who doesn't like seeing him date these (as his friend would call them) cows.

then, at the very end of the movie, Hal sees her just as she is, says "You're beautiful" and marries her.
So in the end, Hal learns to see the true beauty of this woman (or all people in general).

There is a friend of Hal's in the movie who has some sort of spinal disease.... I can't remember what it is (anyone remember- he has to walk on all fours), and he I felt was treated incredibly well as a character. He is fun loving, independent, popular with women, and just an all around wonderful person. I think the Farrely brothers deserve some praise for this character, who I would gladly ditch most of my friends to hang out with.


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Darn, that's what I should do - get someone to invent a love potion that makes me look skinny until some guy gets to know my personality, then when he's hooked, I'll break the spell, and then he'll see me as beautiful because he knows me.

Oh wait, no. That's impossible. I guess I'll have to do it the old fashioned way - go for guys who don't need to be hypnotized to recognize my beauty.


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posted 29 November 2001 08:36 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, because someone would have to be brainwashed to get weak-kneed over your awesome cheekbones, weirdo.
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posted 29 November 2001 08:55 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You talkin' to me, oddball?
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audra trower williams
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posted 29 November 2001 09:03 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hee! I used to get called that in gradeschool, because of my first name

Also: Lovely shiny brown hair. Men HATE lovely shiny brown hair.


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posted 29 November 2001 09:07 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Flattery'll get you everywhere.
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Trespasser you trust movie critcs?

If you guys want a good movie get The Tao of Steve that sort of reminded me of what I've heard about Shallow Hal.
except it was about an obese guy that gets all the girls by pretending he isn't interested. He uses the principles of religion to pick up chicks. I thought it was a pretty good laugh with really good dialougue. It stars Donal Logue or logan (from ottawa I believe)

[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: bandit ]


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That actually sounds pretty funny - I remember when that came out I was going to go and see it. I should rent it one of these nights.
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Tao of Steve is a truly excellent movie. Also, unlike Shallow Hal, it actually acknowledges the hypocrisy of a fat guy not liking to date fat women.
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It always seems so strange to me when I hear about fat guys who expect women to have perfect bodies, but I know it does happen - I know a couple of quite large men who not only insist on dating only thin women, but make rude, derogatory comments about fat women they see on the street. It makes me nuts. I really should see The Tao of Steve, I guess. Next rental!
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yeah, i told this woman that i write film reviews for, that i would be brave and check out Shallow Hal but i don't think i can do it.
i came across this one day and it's pretty funny..
www.shallowhalsucks.com

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At least it's more truthful than Julia Roberts gaining 10 pounds (would that bring her up to 100) and being called "fat" in America's Sweethearts.

By the way, I was offended by the ads. Farley (Hal) is certainly no winner so what gives him the right to judge others. I just don't like this kind of comedy.


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posted 19 December 2001 02:16 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Farley?
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I think she's referring to Jack Black who play's Hal. The farrelly bros. are the directors/producers of this monstrocity. Besides say it isn't so, I haven't minded their other movies.
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bandit!!! my little punk rock friend..haha..i thought you weren't here anymore. not that i come here that much...
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By the way, I was offended by the ads. Farley (Hal) is certainly no winner so what gives him the right to judge others. I just don't like this kind of comedy.


Only "good-looking" people have the right to judge others?


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Kneel--yes..we do!! where have YOU been???
lol

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THAT's the kind of honesty I like to see!!!!

As long as I know the rules, I'm happy.

And, since I'm FABULOUSLY good-looking...


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Ah, photoshop IS a wonderful thing isn't it? Heh.
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haha...i NEVER use photoshop..
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Lovely shiny brown hair. Men HATE lovely shiny brown hair.

('lance chokes on latest cigarette, re-reads rest of thread, relaxes, until...)

Michelle, I'm hurt that you'd flirt with another! And in front of me, too!


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Hey… why are you worried about who Michelle flirts with? I thought I was the only one…

I’m hurt now.

And I also thought you choked on your last cigarette a couple weeks ago. Tsk, cough, cough, tsk.


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Sorry, clock. You were just too coy for too long.

As for the smokes, fell off the wagon with a resounding crash the day before holidays. Very very bad day.


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Coy? I thought that is how your supposed to play the game?

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For somebody to actually get offended over this celluloid piece of fluff is amazing! How can a person take a satirical movie , geared towards teenagers , and expect others to take offense when the movie does and shows and delivers EXACTLY what it was supposed to do. C'mon Audra get a grip....
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