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Hephaestion
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posted 09 March 2005 05:20 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thought you'd heard the last of him? Not even close...

Boy George disses Madonna over homophobic Kaballah

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Boy George took a pot shot at the Kaballah in general and at Madonna specfically. Having watched a BBC documentary on the Kaballah, Boy George learned that those of the faith aren't exactly supportive regarding homosexuality. In fact a leading scholar in Israel claimed that gays and lesbians are sick and that we need to be cured. Boy George apparently decided to take some defensive attaction by delivering some choice words to quite possibly the most visible practitioner of this brand of Jewish mysticism. George accused Madonna of being a "hypocritical homophobe." Oh, and he compares Eminem with Cambodian genocide architect Pol Pot and criticizes Elton John for ever singing with him.


link to original item

and then...

Boy George tells Queer Eye: Leave the straight people alone

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Yesterday we told you about Boy George going off about Madonna and her religion. Today we're here to tell you that he's launched a scathing attack on the Fab Five with "Queer Eye For the Straight Guy," telling the gay hosts to "leave the straight people alone." It seems that George is unimpressed with the gay American style gurus. George says, "My life is about much more than what my cushions are like or what theatre show I should go to. It's really poncey. I just think that they should leave straight people alone."

Finally someone told those stereotyped wankers where to get off! I might actually be developing some appreciation for Boy George after all these years!


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posted 09 March 2005 05:22 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Took you long enough...
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Always thought the song "Karma Chameleon" had deeper meanings


Madonna certainly counts a hypocrite though, given her bisexual leanings


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posted 09 March 2005 05:26 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Deeper meaning, and a good beat.
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posted 09 March 2005 05:29 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very true, I always like the beat of their songs. But truly the karma Chameleon did tell a good story in the video and does describe a type of individual to watch out for
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posted 09 March 2005 05:32 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You mean like people still livng in the 80's?
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Hephaestion
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posted 09 March 2005 05:35 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hahahahahahahahaha... you slay me, Grant!
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posted 09 March 2005 05:40 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read a really good article in Heeb Magazine a month or two ago about the new celebrity Kabbalah craze. Nothing like wearing a religious tradition like a new pair of shoes, huh? The writer of the article was a Madonna fan-turned-critic (turned critic because of her religious pretensions), and was exquisitely sarcastic in parts of it. She talked about a bunch of other celebrities who are now jumping on the Kabbalah bandwagon.

[teenage hipster voice]What-EVAH![/teenage hipster voice]

(P.S. Yes, I know "what-evah!" isn't hip anymore. Cut me some slack. I'm over 30 and can't be trusted with the latest slang. )

[ 09 March 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 09 March 2005 05:50 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I'll match you your slang and raise it with a recollection of when I had enough hair to have dyed bangs hanging down from a backwards fedora in a so very 1980's New Romantic look.

Now just having bangs are an acomplishment.


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posted 09 March 2005 06:01 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

(P.S. Yes, I know "what-evah!" isn't hip anymore. Cut me some slack. I'm over 30 and can't be trusted with the latest slang. )

[ 09 March 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


Actually, yes it is, thanks to Liam Lynch.


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posted 09 March 2005 06:38 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle...You want ME to explain some of the more odd slang terms that have been making rounds in high schools so you too can be hip?

Shit-panting...for example?


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Hephaestion
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*sigh* I'll prolly regret this...

Okay, PB, I'll bite...

"Shit-panting" = ??????

... and what else ya got?


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quote:
Shit-panting...for example?

I knew there was a reason behind those low baggy trousers!


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*giggles*

It is where a man who is...hmmm...over-endowed has to tuck into the back of his pant and it gives the appearence of having defecated within his pants. I heard it said about three or four times from people outside of my friend group (where we must have at least 10000 different words for penis). It just kind of died. But it is looking for a comeback.

Then there are the standbys. Townie, chumpzilla, etc.


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Whew! Its a good thing I read fast - I thought I saw shit PAINTING!

And its nice to know all the 80s icons haven't gone into strockbroker work with Brooks Brothers suits.

Our local Rabbi was pretty dismissive of the whole celebrity Kabbala craze when I asked him about it.

Although he could have been a secret Kabbalist!


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I remember episodes of the Dead Dog Cafe where at the end the hosts would give out genuine indian names to celebrities that wanted them.

They had a big wheel and they would spin it to pick out three names for the celebrity.

Some of that humour was pretty sharp.


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Apropos of... what, exactly, maestro?
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Boy George rocks!

(Is he off the heroin yet?)


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Anyone else see the South Park "Metrosexual" episode? It attacked the Queer Eye for exactly the same reason and was, of course, hilarious.
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I call that show "Rich Eye for the Poor Guy". Because that's pretty much what it is.
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Audra that is like when I happen to be browsing a Maxim someone left on the picnic table at work.... Ya I'm never going to pay 300 dollars for a shirt. Are you out of your mind! A lot of the fashions they show are so outrageous.
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quote:
I call that show "Rich Eye for the Poor Guy".

The Onion did "Black Eye for the White Guy", but it was one of those 'links' that doesn't go anywhere.


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I'm not yet convinced that Kabbalah is "homophobic." Here is an excerpt from the kabbalah centre's website. And it's a low blow to call Madonna a "hypocritical homophobe."

I can't think of another mainstream entertainer who has appropriated queer cultural trends to the extent she has. Vogue is just the tip of the iceberg. And if studying the kabbalah has turned her into a homophobe, I certainly don't see it. In the past two years she has guest starred on Will & Grace, locked lips with Britney Spears (and Christina Aguilera), and she has "reportedly" signed on to play the famed drag queen Candy Darling in her next film. Madonna doesn't have a problem with homosexuality, or queer culture. The opposite is true. Just watch Truth or Dare.

I think Boy is a little too quick to judge someone he doesn't know in regards to Madonna. It doesn't follow that because someone is "religious" they are automatically a homophobe. Boy watched a BBC documentary where one scholar in Israel claimed that gays and lesbians are sick and need to be cured. As a gay man myself I despise anyone who thinks that, but I would never assume that he or she represents the views of an entire people or cultural group. I too would be guilty of stereotyping if I did.

I don't know what Madonna sees in Kabbalah, but she did state in an interview with Oprah Winfrey in 2003 that she doesn't see herself as religious in the traditional sense.


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quote:
Originally posted by icon:
I don't know what Madonna sees in Kabbalah, but she did state in an interview with Oprah Winfrey in 2003 that she doesn't see herself as religious in the traditional sense.

It's the trend man! Jump on the new wave Judaism. It is mad hip!

(please note I have tremendous respect for Jewish folk)


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal_Bull:

It's the trend man! Jump on the new wave Judaism. It is mad hip!


Yeah, except that Madonna started the trend. She was already wearing the red string bracelet in the video for Ray of Light. That was in 1998. She has been into Kabbalah well before it was a trend in Hollywood.

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Back in the 1990s wasn't she a Buddhist?

Kaballah, IIRC, has always been seen highly in the elitist Hollywood circles. It's only now that has the trend really exploded.


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quote:
Originally posted by Papal_Bull:
Back in the 1990s wasn't she a Buddhist?

Kaballah, IIRC, has always been seen highly in the elitist Hollywood circles. It's only now that has the trend really exploded.



Always? Well, I'll take your word for it.

Anyway, Madonna never identified herself as a Buddhist but she reportedly "studied" Hinduism. That was when she was really into yoga. She also learned to sing in Sanskrit for a song on Ray of Light called Shanti/Ashtangi.


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Madonna used to be into Hinduism. She mispronounced some Sanskrit in a video once, which created a media storm of criticism in India. She apologized, and said she would learn Sanskrit properly. Word leaked that she was going to visit the city where I was living, to study with my close friend's Sanskrit teacher. Eventually, word leaked to the local papers. Let me tell you, everyone in that town, myself included, I don't mind saying, was dreaming up schemes to part Madonna from her money. And I was going to be pretty close to the action. She never came. Instead she took up Kabbalah and joined the A-list cult of Rabbi Philip Berg's Kabbalah Centre.
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Is Madonna in a cult?

Just found that by googling. Don't know anything about the source.


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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Madonna used to be into Hinduism. She mispronounced some Sanskrit in a video once, which created a media storm of criticism in India. She apologized, and said she would learn Sanskrit properly.

What video would that be? The only song she sings in Sanskrit is Shanti/Ashtangi, and there was no video for it. The controversy came when she performed the song live at the MTV VMA's in 1998. There was criticism, but to my knowlegde she never apologized for alleged mispronounciation.

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Well whatever, MTV performance/song. I don't know Madonna's career as well as you do. Her apologies came in the Indian papers, which might explain why you missed them.
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Madonna certainly counts a hypocrite though, given her bisexual leanings

Doesn't she basically lean whatever way will sell CDs/books?

Quite a diservice to people who genuinely identify themselves as queer/bisexual, despite potential negative consequences.

She's bisexual, like she's British, I bet.


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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Well whatever, MTV performance/song. I don't know Madonna's career as well as you do. Her apologies came in the Indian papers, which might explain why you missed them.

Ok, I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of her doing that.

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quote:
Originally posted by smokingeatingdrinkingprohibited:
Doesn't she basically lean whatever way will sell CDs/books?

Quite a diservice to people who genuinely identify themselves as queer/bisexual, despite potential negative consequences.

She's bisexual, like she's British, I bet.



Well, she did have an affair with Sandra Bernhard. As for being British, that's her home. Her husband is British, her children go to school in Britain, and that is where she works and lives most of the time. I'm not from the USA, but I can understand why she would prefer living in the UK.

Anyway, Madonna is obviously savvy but she takes risks. She is just as guilty of doing things that are un-commercial, and offensive to some.

I also don't think it is necessary for a performer to be genuinely gay or bi (or straight) before they portray someone who is, or during an act or performance.

Edited for spelling mistakes

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icon —

Further info. for you, re: Madonna and Kabbalah

quote:
Now that "family values" are in – and her career is sagging – Madonna ostentatiously parades her motherhood and writes childrens' books. But, given her life-long immersion in a homo subculture of show biz, Ms. Ciccone should have known better than to enslave herself to Kabbalah and its anti-gay "sacred" tracts. Even the religion-belching Fox News has reported that her current husband, the film director Guy Ritchie, is "becoming less and less happy with the influence Kabbalah has over his wife."

When the Boy George attack hit the tabs, Madonna's press agent pretended to the New York Post that Kabbalah "does not discriminate against homosexuals." That's hogwash, of course. Here, for example, is the tortured fantasy offered by the sages of the web site Kabbalah.com to explain the Kabbalah's views on lesbianism:

According to Kabbalah, lesbianism does not create the same intensity of a spiritual short-circuit as gay sex because no semen is spilled into the open. Semen is the closest substance on earth to the Light of the Creator. For this reason it creates pleasure and it creates life. If it is exposed, negative forces immediately latch onto it. Thus, the negative forces are strengthened in the world. Lesbianism, however, does not create Light or Life. Therefore, though there is no spilling of a man's seed, there is no creation of Light and Life. Thus, the action only serves our interest and for this reason, is not endorsed.

This is the sort of clap-trap Ms. Ciccone has now embraced, having replaced girls with Kabbalah as the object of her lip-lock. And that, as Boy George certainly has reason to say, is both hypocritical and cynical.



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Hollywood lumninaries seem to love "trying on" what they think of as very exotic religions. Scientology is a classic example.
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Thanks Hephaestion, but Doug Ireland's article is hard to take seriously.
quote:
Now that "family values" are in – and her career is sagging – Madonna ostentatiously parades her motherhood and writes children's' books.

I've heard this kind of criticism before. There are people who think Madonna got married and gave berth to two children as a marketing ploy. Ireland insists she is using it to take advantage of "family values" (yeah right!) by writing books for children, and then he has the temerity to accuse her of cynicism.

Has this hack even read any of her books? I doubt it. He sums her up as a "bottle-blonde fag-hag" and doesn't seem capable of taking her as a subject seriously. What do comments like the above quote have to do with Boy George and his comments about Madonna? Ireland's whole article contains a rather defamatory sub-text aimed at her.

As for her "sagging" career: her children's books are best-sellers, and her latest tour was the highest grossing tour of 2004 based on world-wide receipts.

Getting back to the topic, namely Boy George's comments - Boy heard one particular Phelps-style Kabbalah leader and painted its entire philosophy with the same misleading brush. Asking Madonna to be personally accountable for a single element of Kaballah is like asking my mom (a Roman Catholic who truly loves her gay son) to abandon her faith because of homophobia in the Vatican.

Like I said earlier. I am not at all convinced that Kaballah itself is homophobic because different Kaballists (like the one I quoted in an earlier post) say different things about homosexuality, and the Zohar says next to nothing on the issue.

quote:
Boy George blasted O'Donnell for ruining "Taboo," the 2003 Broadway musical George starred in and Rosie produced. He didn't stop there though, he told The London Times Rosie wasn't "gay enough" - and he called her "a Pottery Barn lesbian." Gasp! O'Donnell responded on her blog: "I am cast as a villain, a Pottery Barn lesbian, not quite gay enough," O'Donnell writes. "My knighted gay brother (Elton John) called to tell me, we laughed. Georgie boy . . . unreachable. Fame is fun again."

Those were some of Boy's latest blatherings about another celebrity. It has been a while since I lost respect for a celebrity as quickly as I have for him over the past couple weeks.

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Sorry I missed this from before, icon...

Well, for starters, "celebrity issues" are pretty friggin' low on my list of concerns, anyway — I actually find this whole catfight-slash-pissing match to be rather amusing, more than anything else. That said, are we supposed to be impressed with Rosie O'Donnell's comment,

quote:
"My knighted gay brother (Elton John) called to tell me, we laughed. Georgie boy . . . unreachable. Fame is fun again."

This is the *same* Rosie who tried so assiduously to convince everyone that she was sooooooooo in loooooooove with Tom Cruise... p'LEEEEZE! Hey Closet Case! You're trying to use one of Hollywood's biggest Closet Cases as your beard! Or were you TRYING to go for ironic, here?

And, what... we're supposed to be impressed that Rosie has suddenly developed a "kinship" with that old wanker, Elton? The same Elton who proudly shares the stage with one of the biggest and most publicly homophobic assholes in the entire music industry? Who's Elton bringing out for the next act, Anita friggin' Bryant?! Sorry, icon, but I'm with The Boy on this one— screw off, Elton.

Anyway, the reason I dug this silly thread out in the first place is to add the latest chapter...

queerday.com reports

quote:
Boy George: Beware of assumptions
Boy George has been going off lately, but this time he has some words of advice that actually make sense. The outspoken pop star and DJ warned others about the danger of stereotyping. "Back in the 80s I was labelled a typically wild homosexual while I was in a monogamous relationship," he told The Mirror. "Meanwhile George Michael was showing how you could really get away with murder if you had the right PR machine. Some of the most hideous people in the world get away with coming over as charming. Not that I think George Michael is hideous, of course. As a gay public person you are always managing your sexuality through any given situation. I'm harder on gay people because I expect more from them."

GayNZ.com

But still, this entire "tempest" is at best, teapot-sized. 'Tis merely a thread for having a chuckle, not getting all worked up over...


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Well, for starters, "celebrity issues" are pretty friggin' low on my list of concerns, anyway — I actually find this whole catfight-slash-pissing match to be rather amusing, more than anything else. That said, are we supposed to be impressed with Rosie O'Donnell's comment

No worries. "Celebrity issues" aren't exactly my thing either, but I wanted to reply to your topic about this one. I didn't mean to impress anyone with Rosie O'Donnel's comments. What I thought is that people would be unimpressed with Boy Goerge's comments. He says a lot of petty stuff, in my opinion. Boy admit's jealousy.

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