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stupendousgirlie
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posted 15 December 2005 09:16 AM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a long movie, but it's a good movie. They really should have an Oscar for people like Andy Serkis - hard to believe the great ape's movements were made by a man and a computer.

Go see this film!


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posted 15 December 2005 09:49 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i will and i will be stoned.
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posted 15 December 2005 11:50 AM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it'll do monster business.
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posted 15 December 2005 11:57 AM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kongrats, Tommy.
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thwap
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posted 15 December 2005 12:17 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh, puns. puns are needed. um, okay.

"Before i see this movie, I will smoke a kong."

"I will try not to 'go ape'."


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I just watched the 1933 original, it was f---ed up! The extreme sexism, and racism were so over the top I was able to laugh and ridicule it, but sheesh. The homo-eroticism between the Captain and the first mate is pretty good though. Is the new version any better?

Of course King Kong is the best part of the film, it's efing King Kong!


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posted 15 December 2005 12:22 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who is stoning our thwap?
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posted 15 December 2005 12:31 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He is always getting stoned in the biblical sense, at the city gates.
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posted 15 December 2005 12:33 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I get "in the biblical sense" ...
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posted 15 December 2005 12:44 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It will do you no good to "ape" my humourous japes! I am the king of puns.

Any attempts to copy my witticisms will fall, like a 50 ft ape from the Empire State Building.

A-ha.

You will fall like a "stone"!


Lord help me, I can't stop.

Yes i can.


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posted 15 December 2005 12:48 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Would I monkey about with your gigantic puns?

[ 15 December 2005: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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I will not be able to watch it because I will just keep thinking of those extra inferno commercials and start laughing.
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posted 15 December 2005 01:08 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't imagine why they keep remaking this film. Are we going to be subjected to a new one every generation or so? I agree with the previous poster who referred to the racist and sexist content in this movie. Why did film monsters keep falling in love with the (always white) lead actress? And what on Earth did King Kong think he was going to do with that scrawny blonde anyway?
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posted 15 December 2005 01:16 PM      Profile for fast_twitch_neurons     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nanuq are you actually that uptight or are you just joking?

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And what on Earth did King Kong think he was going to do with that scrawny blonde anyway?

Would you prefer the big ape play the role of gentleman?

[ 15 December 2005: Message edited by: fast_twitch_neurons ]


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quote:
Nanuq are you actually that uptight or are you just joking?

You can't tell?


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posted 15 December 2005 01:39 PM      Profile for fast_twitch_neurons     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just had 5 theoretical math/physics exams so I'm feeling braindead.
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thwap
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From a review that I read, the director of this particular remake plays around with the racist mentality of the original ... along with some of the other mindsets of the era ... Jack Black's character is some sort of over-the-top megalomaniac director, there's that inane 1930s Yankee boosterism, etc.,.

The pauses were me going to rottentomatoes to try to find the review that discussed these issues, but nothing looks familiar, maybe it was someplace else.

Beneath all the encrustation, there appears to be a continued appeal for the story of a great beast destroyed by civilization. the whole thing about the big lummox falling in love and being betrayed by a system that tries to foolishly trivialize him only to realize how dangerous he really is.

(Sounds like the story of my life!)


Actually, is there a big-enough sarcastic winking smiley to convey how that is so NOT my life? It ain't.


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thwap
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btw: go see "Walk the Line" too. A nice bio about good old lefty, Johnny Cash, and the real-life love between two great artists, Johnny and June Carter.

not all this big mindless epic stuff that looks so cool when you're fucktup


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jeff house
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There have to be 9,000 fights in the new movie because otherwise the videogame (on sale near you for $59.95) would create insifficient interest.
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posted 15 December 2005 02:10 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well if that's too violent for the namby-pamby parent, there's always a gripping game of "Stacker!"
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jeff house
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posted 15 December 2005 02:26 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Magoo, good suggestion.

I tell my kids that "pong" is actually a very interesting game, much to be preferred to Prince of Persia IV or Miami Car Chase IX, but they don't listen.


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Nanuq
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posted 15 December 2005 03:23 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I tell my kids that "pong" is actually a very interesting game, much to be preferred to Prince of Persia IV or Miami Car Chase IX, but they don't listen.

It could be the name that's putting then off. You do know what "pong" means, right?

pong


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stupendousgirlie
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posted 15 December 2005 04:02 PM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just like giant monkeys - that's why I went to see it.
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posted 15 December 2005 04:39 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stupendousgirlie:
I just like giant monkeys - that's why I went to see it.

[Pedant mode on]Even if you go to see it, you still won't see any giant monkeys.

Gorillas are apes, not monkeys.[/pedant mode]


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posted 15 December 2005 05:04 PM      Profile for F.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I agree with the previous poster who referred to the racist and sexist content in this movie.

For what it's worth, the Globe review states that this new depiction of the "savages" is as rife with racial stereotypes as the original. The relationship between the woman and the ape, on the other hand, has apparently been altered to downplay the erotic aspects and accentuate the more existential longings inherent in each character.

For the record, I tried but was unable to describe a giant computer-generated ape as a "character" with a straight face.


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posted 15 December 2005 06:28 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Then why don't I see a smiley in that post? Huh? Huh?
You have utterly destroyed your credibility.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erstwhile:

[Pedant mode on]Even if you go to see it, you still won't see any giant monkeys.

Gorillas are apes, not monkeys.[/pedant mode]



[Pedant Mode]If you're emulating HTML tags, they are turned on by using the tag name, and off by using the tag after a "/". If you choose to use the pseudo tag

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I haven't seen it yet, will probably wait for the dvd. The World Socialist Web Site Film Reviews doesn't have any articles on Kong yet, but they may soon.

Aislin had a humourous take on the week's events though...


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posted 15 December 2005 09:23 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
King Kong Opens to miniscule 9.7 million

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Variety reports that Peter Jackson's King Kong opened well below Universal's hopes and industry expectations with $9.7 million domestically on Wednesday. That's about half of the opening day take of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring four years ago, which the studio reportedly said was a comparable film.

Universal is now hoping that good word of mouth will help push the film to a stronger weekend than the Wednesday figure historically indicates, as well as long playability. One thing to keep in mind is that it is finals week for many college students around the country, which is definitely one of the film's targeted groups. They most likely can't see the movie until this weekend.



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posted 19 December 2005 12:24 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In a recent conversation with our resident primate expert I asked was King Kong an allusionary tale of the human race fighting nature and killing it if it could not be tamed. She said "maybe" but one of her students suggested it was black sexual thing.

Which one or both ?


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Could be both as they have been twinned in the European mind for a long time.

However, I was wondering what people thought about Skull Island "savages" stuff. Was this offensive or racist?


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I have no doubt that part of the back story to the original King Kong had to do with the wisdom of bringing black slaves from Africa to civilization.

As well, the tension between the savage natives/Kong and the "civilized" whites involves a very blond female. This is also a well-worn racist trope.

To me, it is important that the natives, who live near Sumatra, somewhere in the Indian ocean are black, with African features, and look nothing like the actual inhabitants of the south seas.


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Yes, it was racist. It was also sexist. I relize jackson was trying to capture the spirit of the original, but parts of the movie really pissed me off. The character that Niomi Watts played was completely useless and the natives were nothing more then monsterous charicatures. There was far to much eye candy and while all the actors did a remarkable job with the scanty dialogue and one dimentional characters they were given, I thought the film was largely a disapointment.

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It was shot in da best country in da world, new zealand

Go auckland blues !!!


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quote:
Go auckland blues !!!

I'll have you know I have my All Blacks rugby shirt!!!!!!


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Feh. Giant monkeys.

I can't wait to go see The New World. It looks like a Xmas present made just for me.


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quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

I'll have you know I have my All Blacks rugby shirt!!!!!!


ABs to win da world cup in '07 !!

[ 19 December 2005: Message edited by: kiwi_chick ]


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King Kong was real!

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A study conducted by a McMaster University professor concludes that a giant ape that roamed Asia in prehistoric times actually lived alongside early man.

Scientists and archeologists have known since the 1930s of the existence of the ape believed to have been more than three metres tall and to have weighed about 550 kilograms.


http://tinyurl.com/8vu7h

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quote:
Gorillas are apes, not monkeys

Apes are tailless monkeys. Which makes us naked, tailless monkeys.


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quote:
Originally posted by Policywonk:
Which makes us naked, tailless monkeys.

Well some of us aren't tailless, just the BWAGAns


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I cried when he fell off the Empire State Building... very sad.
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quote:
Originally posted by stupendousgirlie:
I cried when he fell off the Empire State Building... very sad.

awwwww..........give me a hug


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I thought he was wrong to evoke Heart of Darkness. I don't believe that Marlow's experience is analogous to the experience of the crew in the original King Kong. And I don't feel that Jackson infused the story with a new understanding that makes it so.

He was clever in the way he portrayed the natives. In the original, they are far more humanised and racialised. They speak with the crew. They negotiate, through a translator. They're not civilised, but they're not animalistic. Here, they're barely human at all. He's also taken measures to obscure obvious racial features, having a mixed bag of characteristics.

He had to go one way or another on this one, either humanising the classic African savage to agree with modernity, or entirely dehumanising them and deracialising them in order to successfully generate in the audience the repulsion that savage bushmen should have evoked in the 1930s instead for an audience today in 2005, which is no longer fearful of and repulsed by images of African savages. As an hommage to the original, a scene like that of the meeting between the crew and the skull island natives in the 1933 version is portrayed in the New York stage production near the end. I thought that rather clever.

Another major adaptation was Jackson's treatment of the romance between Driscoll and Ann. This is completely changed, as it needed to be to satisfy current sexual politics. The dialogue from the original would never fly. For example,

quote:

ANN: Yes. I'm - I'm awfully excited. It's all so strange, and I've never been on a ship before.
DRISCOLL: And I've never been on a ship with a woman before.
ANN: I guess you don't think much of women on ships, do you?
DRISCOLL: No. They're a cock-eyed nuisance.
ANN: I'll try not to be.
DRISCOLL: You got in the way already. Better stay below.

and

quote:

DRISCOLL: Aw, you're swell. Women can't help being a bother. I guess they're made that way.


Naturally, with lines like that, she falls in love with him.


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I should say that it's not really even right to consider "Driscoll" to be the same character as in the original. He's just a character with the same name as a character in the original.

In the original, Driscoll is a dashing tough guy and a sailor, the first mate of the ship. In Jackson's version, "Driscoll" is a nerdy screenwriter, and "Bruce" (the name of the actor who played Driscoll in the original, but not a character) is an actor who, rather bafflingly, deliver's some of the original Driscoll's lines, portrayed here as mere dialogue in Carl Denham's movie.

Jackson made some very extensive changes.


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And, of course, in this one Carl Denham is gay, and brings his "assistant" along with him on the journey.

The guy shows up again when Kong is on display, but the two only makes eyes at one another.


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My impression?

Jackson was trying to "have fun" with the racism of the original. "Remember how Africans and others used to be portrayed as 'savages' and how they'd roll their eyes back to emphasize the contrast between their eye whites and their skin? Remember how funny all that hollywood racism was?" If the response of the black couple sitting in front of me is any indication, some people don't find that sort of thing "funny."

(Though, after the scene in the ravine with the bugs and the worms, I thought that anybody who lived on that island for a while would go crazy.)

The animation was absolutely brilliant though. The action scenes required suspension of all disbelief but they were very visually spectacular.


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