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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 29 March 2003 06:50 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Globe and Mail, Mar 29

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Like it or not, Canadian baseball fans will be hearing God Bless America played during the seventh-inning stretch of each team's first home game.

The directive was handed down from Major League Baseball, which has decreed that God Bless America will be sung during the seventh-inning stretch of all home openers, Sunday games and holiday games to honour U.S. military men and women serving in Iraq.

Reaction from Toronto sports fans came quickly.

"That's insane. We're not America, we're Canada," said Rob Groves, who was having a beer at Wayne Gretzky's bar on Blue Jays Way close to the SkyDome last night. "I would boo until my eyes fell out."



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Debra
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posted 29 March 2003 07:29 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope it is loudly and roundly booed. Since one does a country have the right to impose it's anthem on another country?

Oh that's right since Bush the president who thinks he's god took power.


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posted 29 March 2003 07:35 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess people would be expected to stand up for that...I don't know if I'd boo it, but I definitely wouldn't be standing up for it. I just don't know about booing; of course I agree wholeheartedly that America has no right to force its anthem on us, but I don't think that booing will serve very well. It could (and likely would) be interpreted as being anti-American, which most of us, I think, are not. I am anti-Bush, not anti-American. But I definitely agree with the sentiment. You won't see me standing up and/or cheering

Edited to change anti-America to anti-American.

[ 29 March 2003: Message edited by: googlymoogly ]


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 29 March 2003 07:45 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The fans could stay home...
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Godot
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posted 29 March 2003 08:55 PM      Profile for Godot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What arrogance! What imperialism! Major League Baseball *DECREES* that we play ‘God Bless America’!?! -- In the middle of the game, no less!

And then Americans scratch their heads and wonder, “Why does everybody hate us?” And this is going to happen while the colonial toadies in the Blue Jay’s front office are marketing the team with a blatant but phoney-nationalist “Baseball North” campaign. Boycott Blue Jays baseball!

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'lance
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posted 29 March 2003 09:12 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, hey, Godot, nice to see you. Was wondering when you'd arrive...
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posted 29 March 2003 09:30 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Boycott Blue Jays baseball!

That won't be difficult. I've been doing it since '94.


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'lance
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posted 29 March 2003 09:34 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I decided to move away from Toronto, I timed my departure -- it was two (2) days before the official opening of the SkyDome. I figured that was a sign that God was about to put Her little finger down on (what I then thought of as) that wretched city, as onto a mosquito. And so it proved.

I've since quite mellowed on Toronto, sometimes miss it, enjoy visiting and might yet live there again. But my feelings about SkyDome haven't changed, these fourteen years.


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Adam Smith
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posted 29 March 2003 09:39 PM      Profile for Adam Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"God Bless America" isn't even their national anthem, it's just a song that isolates the 10% of their population that doesn't believe in god. Right-wingers, however not all, but most have always tried to connect belief in god to patriotism.
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 29 March 2003 09:48 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i liked the ironic singing of "god bless america" at the end of "the deerhunter". i agree about the souless skydome, i'd much rather watch a minor-league game at christie pits (small downtown baseball diamond for non-torontonians) anyday.
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posted 31 March 2003 09:26 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just watched an interview with Paul Godfrey, the head of Blue Jays Baseball on Canada AM... He insists that playing the American anthem (or patriotic song, whatever it is) is the right thing to do. He accepts that some fans may boo, but in his words, to not play it will be seen as (yet another) snub to the Americans, which nobody has the balls to admit to publicly. On a related topic, the interviewer asked Mr. Godfrey what he thought of the newspaper ad featuring a NY Yankees baseball hat with Blue Jay crap stains on it, with the heading, The Blue Jays Welcome the Yankees... or something to that effect. I thought this was hilarious!! But I guess the people of New York did not share this sense of humour. Any thoughts/reactions to this? It feels to me as if Canadians are in a tenuous relationship with the Americans, due to trade etc. What would happen if we stopped caring about hurting their "feelings"? Do you think that Canada could maintain itself solely on the trade relations with other countries? Or am I dreaming.......

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googlymoogly
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posted 31 March 2003 10:14 AM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too bad this wouldn't work like real personal relationships work ; in real life, I think we'd respect people more if they stood up for themselves instead of rolling over and taking it.
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ben_al
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posted 31 March 2003 10:28 AM      Profile for ben_al     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Considering that roughly 85% of Canadian exports go to the states and that we get a lot of stuff from them, it would be difficult at least to completely give them up as chief trading partners, at least without some sort of "phase out" plan. This would probably violate NAFTA as it would hurt American business interests. I don't think that the hype about damaged trade relations is any more than just that. American companies can't afford to boycott Canada, and vice versa. That said, some companies may decide that they need to pull out of Canada in protest of our stand on the war, but the majority can't. Unfortunately Walmart and McDonalds are here to stay.
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posted 31 March 2003 02:07 PM      Profile for Godot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Write the Blue Jays and tell them you wont be going to any games until the stop propagandizing War

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posted 31 March 2003 02:17 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if the Expos will also have to play that overblown bit of tripe at their home games as well. And, given the reaction to the anthem at the Habs game a couple of weeks ago, how will the Expos faithful react? Perhaps we could ask them, as I understand they're both very nice.
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posted 31 March 2003 02:56 PM      Profile for Secret Agent Style        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Instead of booing, they should sing The Maple Leaf Forever.
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googlymoogly
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posted 31 March 2003 03:01 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
even better
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posted 02 April 2003 02:38 PM      Profile for lautreamont     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey gang -
I had the misfortune to live in the United States of America for 33 years, and I can assure you from firsthand experience that, despite the volume of the US's patriotic hollering, they will not pass up the chance to make a buck, much less a billion bucks plus (a day!). I.E., no trade restrictions between US and Canada, unless there's some sort of direct and verifiable security threat.
Might as well add, in this chorus of "I'm anti-war, not anti-american" stuff, that I'm PROUD TO BE UNAMERICAN. I don't wish any harm or have any ill will towards individuals who happen to live there, but I think that American culture, in addition to the US government, is shallow, self-absorbed, ecologically horrific, and unsustainable. Not that Canada's that much different, but the US seems to be the metastasizing center of the consumptive disease. No excuse for terrorism of course, but certainly deserving of intense satire and ridicule. I think people should respond to the singing of 'god bless america' by singing Woody Guthrie's 'This Land is Your Land', INCLUDING the last verse, which is almost forgotten:
'As I was walking, I saw a sign there,
and on the sign it, said No Trespassing,
But on the back side, it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.'
In closing: why is america called the great melting pot? Because the scum rises to the top, and the ones on the bottom get burned.

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skdadl
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posted 02 April 2003 02:53 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lautreamont: love your handle.

Major-league baseball: You broke my heart. Long ago, you broke my heart.

Paul Godfrey: Well, we'll just watch the MFP inquiry unfold, shan't we? *sticks out tongue*


Yes, WW, and all other baseball lovers: This summer, let's just head off to Christie Pits.


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paxamillion
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posted 02 April 2003 03:11 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
we'll just watch the MFP inquiry unfold

Which one?


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