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Babbler # 4224

posted 26 June 2003 01:57 PM      Profile for badlydrawngirl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
firstly i'd like to say i'm happy i found this board and in general as i haven't been able to find anything terribly canadian-oriented that is similar to say something like and apologies ahead of time as i may post like mad for a bit until i get this out of my system, ie. that i found a good discussion board.

secondly, back to the subject. because i've been reading a lot of american 'alternative' boards, ie.,,,, etc..., i find myself saying things to myself like 'i can't believe it' or 'that can't be true' or 'how can americans let something like that happen' and 'don't they realize what's happening?'.

now, i think it's easier for me to say, being canadian, and sitting on the (literally) sidelines. but is it that much greater being a canadian? like these questions come to mind:

is there no poverty in canada? - answer 'no'

is there no racism in canada? - answer 'no'

is education accessible to all, ie. university - answer 'no'

are we environmentally more caring and proactive than americans? - answer 'i don't think so'

so, here's me thinking all those things that happen in the U.S. are shocking, but can and do happen in canada. but what's the difference? it's like when michael moore tries to define why we don't have them same problems (with guns) as the U.S. and he's stumped as to an answer.

right, i'm stopping rambling now.

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mighty brutus
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posted 26 June 2003 02:45 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada has many flaws, but is there any other country as blessed as ours? I've never lived anywhere else, but if Canada's so bad, why do so many from other lands want to come here? I have to believe that it is our overall quality of life.
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jeff house
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posted 26 June 2003 02:49 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like Canada. But there's plenty of room for improvement. On poverty, on education, on justice, on lots of stuff.

The fact that people come here from Bangla Desh and Ethiopia is not much of an argument in our favour, though. You might have noticed a dearth of Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, French, and Belgian immigrants for example; that's because those countries are comparable in their decency to Canada.

By all means let us value what we have, and strive for those social goods which are absent.

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Babbler # 4177

posted 26 June 2003 09:04 PM      Profile for Meowful   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nobody's perfect, Badlydrawngirl.

There are many things happening right now that are undermining the Canada that we know and love. (Both internal and external)

I live in the west so:

1. SE2 - a power plant across the border that will put billions of tons of pollution into the already fragile air quality of the Fraser Valley.

2. The selling of BC Hydro -- There is going to be a coalition set up for the "west coast". This will include 1 vote for each: British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, California, and Mexico. They are saying that Canada will have EQUAL REPRESENTATION! (I'm so mad, I'm shaking as I write this! )

3. The trees are for sale! Gordo wants to sell off all BC's crown land! It will go to the highest bidder! Here's what will happen: The US (Warehauser) will buy up all the trees around Prince George, then Canfor (who owns all the mills in PG) will not have any freakin' wood! Warehauser will then ship the RAW LOGS, DUTY FREE to the US to be processed in their mills. ARRRGGHHHHHH!!!!!!


*That's just BC! I shudder to think what is happening throughout the rest of the country!

sorry for the rant, but I'm rather passionate about selling Canada to the highest bidder....

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posted 27 June 2003 12:59 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure Canada has problems. And we need to deal with them. But most Canadians don't display the arrogance that comes with too much power. Most Canadians don't deceive themselves into believing that we should go out and beat up on some pitiful third world population.
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posted 27 June 2003 01:11 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by jeff house:
I like Canada. But there's plenty of room for improvement. On poverty, on education, on justice, on lots of stuff.

I like that we are a society that thinks far more about the collective good than individual benefit. That's why we have universal healthcare, for example.

From: the process of recovery | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged
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posted 27 June 2003 05:49 PM      Profile for Vee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't that just so Canadian to wonder if being Canadian is all that it is cracked up to be! Of course, there is always room for improvement, but I think that we have a pretty great country. I have travelled to several countries and still keep coming home because it is a great place to live. Sure, my grandparents were interned during WWII, but Canada accepted my draft-dodging dad and I carry my Canadian, not my American passport, in my travels. We are not at war with anyone and we have a half-decent standard of living. The only thing that I could do without is the stinking cold weather in january and February!
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Babbler # 3192

posted 27 June 2003 07:05 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that as a society, we are constantly trying to do better.

And I think that's laudable. We're not there yet; we're aware that we're not there yet; but we keep trying.

I think as a country we're capable of taking criticism. And I think that's laudable too.

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Babbler # 4225

posted 27 June 2003 08:26 PM      Profile for Skye     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although I was born and raised in Canada, I just recently moved to the United States, to be with my husband who is a dual Canadian/U.S citizen and attends school here.

I came to the U.S determined to keep an open mind. However, I feel now, I can honestly say from experience, that Canada is a better place to live.

BadlyDrawnGirl, I think that you are right to say that we have a long way to go, but by comparison... we are at least starting in a much better position than the U.S to move forward!

I work for a progressive organization in the U.S and I cannot count the number of times that my American co-workers have commented on Canada, and how "lucky I am to come from a country that actually has Public Health Care, a social safety net, or gay marriage." They consistently tell me that they look to us as an example of what they can attain. It honestly gets a little embarrassing at times to take the compliments modestly.

So many things in the past year have just made my Canadian heart swell with pride. For instance, keeping public healthcare, opposing the war in Iraq, decriminalizing marijuana, gay marriage.. etc

My point, BadlyDrawnGirl, is that there is always room to move forward. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't recoginize and appreciate what we do have.

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