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wei-chi
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posted 27 August 2004 12:42 PM      Profile for wei-chi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In one of my recent Internet forays, I came across suicidegirls.com and it got my interest. I'd actually seen some stickers for this website posted around town, so I went in.

*Before you do, note that it contains nudity - which I suppose might offend*

Anyway, it appears to be an online-goth version of playboy.

Their intro purports some of the following quotes:

quote:
"...a modern-day pin up icon, while challenging social mores of beauty in the proces." -Independant Florida Alligator

"Suicidegirls is cool" - Playboy

"Thank god someone has benefited from the internet. It's not just Ebay and Amazon. SOmebody has made a name that's not just monetary but a cultural icon." - Chuck Palahniuk

"The great thing about Suicidegirls is that they completely tear down that Pamela Anderson image. They're beautiful ladies with crazy tattoos, piercings, and dreadlocks." - Dave Grohl


Anyway. I thought it was an interesting idea.

[ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: wei-chi ]


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Michelle
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posted 27 August 2004 12:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, they have an interesting sex forum on there.
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posted 27 August 2004 01:08 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Suicide Girls sprang up about a year ago, when Spooky and his friend Missy had grown tired of pornography that only featured pneumatic-breasted, big-haired women. Despite the abundance of adult websites, Spooky and Missy couldn’t find any that featured punk, goth, and emo girls. So with Missy’s photography skills and Spooky’s technical know-how, they joined the adult entertainment world and started their own site. Now in its second year, Suicide Girls is the place to see girls with pink hair, girls with vivid tattoos, girls with plugs in their ears, girls with black lipstick (as with most porn, it’s always “girls,” never “women”). But it’s not just nudie shots, says Spooky. “It’s so much more than that. We have a community that gets traffic like you wouldn’t believe.” He points to the site’s message boards, member profiles, chat rooms, and online calendar—all content generated by paying customers.

From an article by Annie Tomlin, published in Bitch Magazine. Follow the 'archives/search' link in the black bar at the top, and this article is just a little ways down the page. It's called "Sex, Dreads and Rock n' Roll".


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posted 27 August 2004 02:32 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They pay their models next to NOTHING. Fuckers.
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Michelle
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posted 27 August 2004 02:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are you serious? That's kind of sad. I've only ever seen their chat boards when a good friend sent me links to a couple of the sex discussions on there. That's where I found out where the phrase "tossed salad" originated!
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posted 27 August 2004 02:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd be more interested in the site did it have a different name. Attempts to glamourize suicide -- even just the idea of it -- creep me out.
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posted 27 August 2004 02:42 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They're still skinny white girls, mostly. I think Tomlin makes that point. So any idea of it sort of pushing the boundaries of what's "attractive" are pretty dumb.
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Michelle
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posted 27 August 2004 02:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm. I haven't actually looked at those areas of the site before, at the pictures on it. I just happened to see the sex forum (blush) when a friend sent me a link, and then I started reading the archives of that forum because a lot of the threads were pretty funny, and fun. I'm sorry to hear it's actually not such a great site after all. I haven't been there in quite a while, though, so it's no great loss.
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posted 27 August 2004 03:16 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Attempts to glamourize suicide -- even just the idea of it -- creep me out.

My first thought too... and I haven't looked at the site and probably won't.


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posted 27 August 2004 03:31 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I didn't like the name of the site when I first heard of it either.
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wei-chi
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posted 27 August 2004 03:39 PM      Profile for wei-chi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the glorification of death is what goth is all about, ain't it?
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Well, the glorification of death is what goth is all about, ain't it?

Yeah. Hate to pull the old-gyu stuff again, but likely this was why I lasted all of maybe 20 minutes as a wannabe goth back whenever-it-was. Too clammy.

Edit:

I think it was seeing the Cure in Toronto in maybe fall 1983 that convinced me I should find another way to spend my evenings. You could argue about how goth they actually were -- maybe they'd have disdained the label -- but their albums to that point were major downers. Certainly most of their fans seemed to come from Goth Central Casting.

[ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 27 August 2004 05:34 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You just missed their Burlesque Show at the Night Gallery. All a bit too Goth for me. Goth was fine in 1986, but now it's getting scary.
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posted 27 August 2004 05:35 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never really thought The Cure were Goth. They were really just New Order with weaker tunes and bad hair. Siouxsie and the Banshees were not Goth, but no-one noticed, so they ended up trapped in Goth hell. Which is not a pleasant place to be trapped.
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posted 27 August 2004 05:37 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
They were really just New Order with weaker tunes and bad hair.

That's a fair description, yes.

quote:
Siouxsie and the Banshees were not Goth, but no-one noticed, so they ended up trapped in Goth hell. Which is not a pleasant place to be trapped.

I sometimes wonder if Bauhaus broke up to avoid just that fate.


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posted 27 August 2004 05:58 PM      Profile for Charles   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
I never really thought The Cure were Goth. They were really just New Order with weaker tunes and bad hair. Siouxsie and the Banshees were not Goth, but no-one noticed, so they ended up trapped in Goth hell. Which is not a pleasant place to be trapped.

It's what I always called "light goth". That described me back in the mid 80s. Mostly about the black, the hair (shudder) and the music, not the hard core goth but the Cure, Depeche Mode, Siouxsie, even Bauhaus etc etc. The concerts I went to had thousands of people all dressed the same way, "tastefully gothy". I see a lot of kids these days dressed EXACTLY the way we did right down the same makeup. Kind of sad actually. I checked out the site and I have to say it's the first adult site I've kind of liked the looks of but the title is troubling, however, it's no more so than any other sad affectation the "light goth" community embraces. Ultimately the safest "rebellion" kids can get into is the light goth scene...

[ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: Charles ]


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wei-chi
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posted 27 August 2004 06:36 PM      Profile for wei-chi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lord Byron:

quote:
Goth was fine in 1986, but now it's getting scary.

Or are you just getting older?


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posted 27 August 2004 06:51 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only Goths I found scary were those two in Victoria. He had a ring in his nose and she had one and they were linked by a chain with her walking about five steps behind YIKES.

Sometimes he hooked her up to his belt.


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posted 27 August 2004 08:41 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by wei-chi:
Lord Byron:

Or are you just getting older?



Nah, I was ten in 1986.
Don't get me started on youth cultures, mind. It bothers me that there's still punk and goth cultures, when those movements started 25+ years ago. Has our pop culture dried up?


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posted 27 August 2004 08:52 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:


Nah, I was ten in 1986.
Don't get me started on youth cultures, mind. It bothers me that there's still punk and goth cultures, when those movements started 25+ years ago. Has our pop culture dried up?


Does it bother you that I'm still a hippy-chick?

To us, 25 yrs ago is, like, yesterday, man.

So you were ten in 1986. Far. Out.


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posted 27 August 2004 09:16 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not at all, our culture actually progressed after 1967, healthy youth cultures replaced one and other with regularity until some dire day around 1991. We've been treading water ever since. I am, if anything, envious.
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posted 27 August 2004 09:19 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, c'mon, SLB. You still turned out to be a poet at a very young age.

That is always the best that our culture can do. Amazing that it keeps happening, actually.


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posted 27 August 2004 09:32 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Not at all, our culture actually progressed after 1967, healthy youth cultures replaced one and other with regularity until some dire day around 1991.

Not sure just what happened in 1991, though there was definitely a lot of dull pop music around about that time, produced by the imitators of the imitators of Nirvana and the like. It seemed to pass. A few years later, for example, we got the New Pornographers, who even adults can listen to with a straight face.

But show me a young person who wants to be part of a "healthy" youth culture, and I'll show you a future Olympian, or maybe a Christian. The point is to be part of a sick youth culture -- or to hoodwink your elders into thinking you're all sick and depraved, more like.


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posted 27 August 2004 09:44 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. Healthy in the vibrant sense, not in the wholesome sense, definitely.

To elaborate, my theory is that youth cultures progressed and developed upon each other along a lineage until about 1991, at which point subsequent youth cultures (such as Grunge and the eventually abysmal BritPop) were mere retreads or repackagings of previous movements. Our modern culture has gotten so fragmented, self-referential, ironic and backward-looking that we may never see mass pop-culture movements on the scale of Mod, Hippy, Punk, Acid House et al.
Of course, 2004 could just be another 1962 or 1975 and the next explosion is awaiting around the corner. That's the optimist's viewpoint.
I blame one-hit wonders EMF for all this, of course.

[ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: Screaming Lord Byron ]


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posted 27 August 2004 11:09 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was Douglas Coupland's fault. Let's burn down the library so this will never happen again!
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Youth culture is dead: cool hunters working for corporations killed it.

And it won't resuscitate as long as it gets commodified faster than you can say "electroclash".

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posted 28 August 2004 12:04 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Youth culture is dead: cool hunters working for corporations killed it.

And it won't resuscitate as long as it gets commodified faster than you can say "electroclash".


I dunno. One of the Sixties (as opposed to 1960s) slogans was "don't let the capitalists rip off your culture and sell it back to you."

This ignored the awkward fact that, for as long as there have been self-conscious "youth cultures" (say, since the late 1940s or so), they've consisted to a great extent of stuff sold by capitalists. Hip, small-scale, "forward-thinking" capitalists in many cases, but capitalists nonetheless. Tom Frank wrote all about it in The Conquest of Cool, though it's true that was more about advertising, to a large extent.

It's all around, capitalism. We're all soaking in it. But just because it's almost always heavily implicated in whatever youth-culture scene there happens to be doesn't mean that scene isn't also shot through with genuine impulses to create, to differentiate oneself. (Though I think in pop culture the whole idea of "genuineness," authenticity, whatever, is way overrated anyway. Rock and roll, for example, has always involved lots of fakery, lots of recombination and repackaging. It's a joke, or a game. But it's a good, long-running joke or game, and often enough the only game in town, in whatever form it happens to be taking that year).

(And too besides: if we can believe the New York Times magazine and similar, the day of the "coolhunter" is passing, if not past. Cool they may have been -- after a fashion -- but they also proved to be conspicuously ineffective, most of them).

quote:
Yeah. Healthy in the vibrant sense, not in the wholesome sense, definitely.

Yeah, I was just playing on different meanings of the word.

quote:
Our modern culture has gotten so fragmented, self-referential, ironic and backward-looking that we may never see mass pop-culture movements on the scale of Mod, Hippy, Punk, Acid House et al.

Perhaps so. Though I think describing the Mod, hippie, early punk etc. movements as "mass" movements (or even movements, come to that) is saying too much for them. They were heavily mythologized and self-mythologized and exaggerated, even as they were happening, and much of what we think we know about them, after the fact, is based on this... hype, for lack of a better word.

For a sharper-eyed view of the Mod scene, for example, see Stanley Cohen's Folk Devils and Moral Panics. All that stuff in Quadrophenia? Just stuff. Stories, subcultural urban legends -- wishful thinking, much of it.

quote:
Of course, 2004 could just be another 1962 or 1975 and the next explosion is awaiting around the corner. That's the optimist's viewpoint.

Of course. There's always something. And most people over say 25 or 30 are like generals always thinking in terms of the last war. Lacking fresh eyes, they have trouble making sense of the new dispensation.


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posted 28 August 2004 03:54 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Of course, 2004 could just be another 1962 or 1975 and the next explosion is awaiting around the corner. That's the optimist's viewpoint.

I've long noted that these "explosions" seem to come on a roughly 14-year cycle. So: 1963, 1977, 1991... 2005? Let's keep our fingers crossed.


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posted 28 August 2004 05:27 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All these are fair points. I'm a romantic, I demand myth. Maybe I'm just miffed at the lack of good myths currently.
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posted 28 August 2004 05:43 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
[QB]

Of course. There's always something. QB]


See, the point to me isn't that there weren't thousands of mods, even if there were only five guys in Shepherd's Bush who lived the life, it was enough for us suburban dreamers in Beckenham, Berlin or Burnaby to believe (however misguidedly) that somewhere someone was really living it. It didn't matter that Joe Strummer was a diplomat's son and he lived in a nice flat in Maida Vale with Jasper Conran's son, what mattered was how he looked on the record sleeve, how cool his image was, that the songs were great. Of course youth cultures are primarily myth, but they speak to a wider constituency of people who have no access to that, who desperately need the escape. Youth cultures present a canvass for us to dream on.

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Youth cultures present a canvass for us to dream on.

I'll buy that. It's well put. (Of course at this point I'm just an observer -- but then I was for most of my youth too).

I still think Lester Bangs nailed it, in possibly speed-addled prose, back in 1977, in his famous three-part series on The Clash:

quote:
The politics of rock 'n' roll, in England or America or anywhere else, is that a whole lot of kids want to be fried out of their skins by the most scalding propulsion they can find, for a night they can pretend is the rest of their lives, and whether the next day they go back to work in shops or boredom on the dole or American TV doldrums in Mom 'n' Daddy's living room nothing can cancel the reality of that night in the revivifying flames when for once if only then in your life you were blasted outside of yourself and the monotony which defines most life anywhere at any time, when you supped on lightning and nothing else in the realms of the living or dead mattered at all.

For "rock 'n' roll," of course, you can substitute your pop music of choice.

[ 28 August 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:

This ignored the awkward fact that, for as long as there have been self-conscious "youth cultures" (say, since the late 1940s or so), they've consisted to a great extent of stuff sold by capitalists.


[nitpick] Actually the first self-conscious 'youth culture' was spawned in 1937. [/nitpick]


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23 skidoo.

Jeepers, but it's cold here. I could use a hip flask and a raccoon coat, and how.


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Try swallowing some live goldfish, al-Q. That'll put Sterno in the old burner.
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I've been enjoying Spiceplay.com i think it is a little more interesting and more "grown up"
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Some damn good looking girls on the site, I'll say that much.
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I used to get Suicidegirls postcards from a friend of mine. I thought they were funny because I've hardly ever seen Goth Girls so undressed. It seems to be a rule that no matter what the heat, you MUST wear flowing black garb with lace up boots and a pound of makeup to make you look pale.

That is just too much trouble. Plus the music is too depressing and I can't pretend I'm on the verge of suicide 24/7. Furthermore my parents would probably beat me with my own torn off limbs if I attempted such a thing during my teens. As it was, they acted like I was going off the rails when I got my ears pierced.


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I've been a member there for over a year. Don't let the name turn you off, the site really doesn't have anything to do with suicide.

There are really very few "goth" girls there. The majority of them simply have tattoos and/or piercings.

One of the great things about the place is that the girls have complete control over what their pictures will look like. They'll often have trusted friends shoot their sets, or even set their camera on a tripod, set the timer, and shoot their own sets.

Anyways don't judge it before you even try it out.

And if you do care to try it out it would be greatly appreciated if you use my referral url: http://suicidegirls.com/?fuin
I can get points that go towards free stuff


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Is it true that they pay their models next to nothing, despite the fact that they're a pay site and making money off of pictures of their bodies?

Not cool if true.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Is it true that they pay their models next to nothing, despite the fact that they're a pay site and making money off of pictures of their bodies?

Not cool if true.


Hm; I have no idea how much money the models make or don't make, nor how much the site makes. It is definitely not cool if this site is making a mint and paying the girls peanuts. Someone should start up a co-op, not-for-profit porn/erotica site


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