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Performance Anxiety
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posted 20 September 2004 02:34 AM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Read all about it here:

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Former deputy prime minister Sheila Copps is making her acting debut at a dinner theatre in Kingston, Ontario next month.

Copps will play Clairee Belcher in a presentation of the play Steel Magnolias. That was the role Olympia Dukakis played in the 1989 movie also featuring Julia Roberts and Dolly Parton.

The former politician, 51, will be paid Equity wages of about $720 each week plus benefits and an RSP contribution.

She says she's always had a secret desire to act, but her mother urged her to stay home after high school to get a "real job."



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Considering politicians are "acting" everyday I really don't think its too much of a leap. She's had a lot of experience!

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posted 20 September 2004 01:56 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
a reverse schwarzenegger!
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posted 20 September 2004 02:05 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's so cool! I wish her well. I wonder if she's any good?
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posted 20 September 2004 02:09 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, if anyone tries to skip out on the bill she could probably jump over the chairs and catch them faster than the wait staff.
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posted 20 September 2004 02:12 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, this does her some credit. I can't imagine many other politicos doing this. Particularly for those wages.
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posted 20 September 2004 02:21 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually I have to say I somewhat disagree with you. What exactly would Shelia do now that her politiking days are over for awhile?
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posted 20 September 2004 02:25 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Various corporate boards, consulting, mediawhore.
The list is endless.

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posted 20 September 2004 02:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What did she do before? I don't remember. But usually former politicians find cushy board appointments and stuff like that to do. I think this is really neat that she's following a dream. Of course, her name probably helped her land a gig. But they probably wouldn't have put her on the cast if she was terrible or anything.
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posted 20 September 2004 02:27 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
Actually, this does her some credit. I can't imagine many other politicos doing this. Particularly for those wages.

Considering what she probably already had saved, plus what she collects as a retired MP, I don't think it is that much of a sacrifice.


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posted 20 September 2004 02:29 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The wages point was more of an aside Gir. I think it's a rather interesting thing for her to do. I could of course put my partisan hat on and ridicule her, but not everything is politics, y'know?

Michelle - was she not a journalist?


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I just think its odd that given Copps' exposure to Canadian culture, she would choose to play in dinner theatre of all things! Dinner theatre is extremely banal, decidedly vanilla, and does nothing for the community at large. It's a commodity, and actors playing in it are likely doing so for money, versus any artistic or political reasons. I just hope next time Copps wants to hit the boards she considers playing in something more progressive, or at least experimental. Going from a powerful minister in charge of Canadian culture to a lowly servant in the re-creation of theatrical fluff is disappointing and disturbing at the same time.
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Oh, get off it, PA. You of all people should be the last one to pass judgement on the value of artistic expression. I agree that dinner theatre is banal, but when it comes to art and entertainment, as long as it's not hurting anyone, to each his own.
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posted 20 September 2004 03:13 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PA isn't dinner theatre where alot of aspiring amateur actors get their start?
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posted 20 September 2004 03:30 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I just hope next time Copps wants to hit the boards she considers playing in something more progressive, or at least experimental.

Ya, I thought the same thing myself. Like, why couldn't she find one of those huge stripey "Cat in the Hat" hats and a unicycle and ride around barefoot wearing an anti-Bush t-shirt? Why wouldn't she dress as a giant sewing machine with a huge teare in its eye and visit Walmart to protest something or other? Why couldn't she organize flashmobs?

Earning a living and entertaining people are so friggin' bourgeois it makes me want to scream!


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posted 20 September 2004 04:11 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
The wages point was more of an aside Gir. I think it's a rather interesting thing for her to do. I could of course put my partisan hat on and ridicule her, but not everything is politics, y'know?

Yeah I was just adressing the wages point. And I agree with you that it is great when people acheive their dreams, I don't see why Copps is special just because she was a politician.


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posted 20 September 2004 04:37 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Magoo. This is why I can't ever really get mad at you.

PA: What do you mean does no good for the community at large? To what community are you referring, exactly?

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posted 20 September 2004 04:42 PM      Profile for sillygoil     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sheila Copps always makes me feel like she wants to beat me up....
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Yeah, sillygoil, all those big mean nasty feminists are coming after YOU.
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Why, when a woman is anything other than passive in public life, must she be 'angry'?

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Because, obviously, silly SLB, any woman who breaks the glass ceiling and becomes famous for standing up to sexist pig colleagues who harass her in the workplace MUST simply be "an angry woman". Any silly girl knows that.
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posted 20 September 2004 05:25 PM      Profile for sillygoil     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sheila Copps is angry? When did that happen??

I must have slept through that episode of "Tired old Liberals from a wealthy family pretending to be socialists in a centerist country..."


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I must have slept through that episode of "Tired old Liberals from a wealthy family pretending to be socialists in a centerist country..."

It was that episode of Train 21.


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posted 20 September 2004 05:42 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sillygoil:
Sheila Copps is angry? When did that happen??

You think she wants to beat you up, but she doesn't seem angry to you? That's weird.


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It's a passive agressive thing - that and the freaky eye makeup and severe red lipstick...
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that and the freaky eye makeup and severe red lipstick...

SO do you have the same problem with Steven Harper?


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No - Stephen Harper is just plain creepy... kind of like oh, I don't know... zombie creepy. When he smiles it looks forced. I don't think he wants to beat me up mind you, just Sheila. At least with Jack Layton, he looks pleasant and appears to be rogaine free - hell, he's sexy!
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Steven's deep red lipstick doesn't throw you off?
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No it's not the lipstick - it's the nasty rumours that he wears a thong... or worse: SPEEDOS!!!!


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Well why should that surprise me-- I mean the Reformites have let us see Stockwell in his wetsuit.


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PA: What do you mean does no good for the community at large? To what community are you referring, exactly?

The human community. There are a million better ways Copps could be applying herself theatrically. For someone so steeped in Canada's culture and heritage, couldn't she have used the theatre as a medium to express her own insights and concerns? Why not do some feminist theatre, or applied theatre with a cultural community?

I hate to say it, but dinner theatre to the stage actor is the equivalent of a McDonalds commercial for the film star.

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posted 20 September 2004 07:41 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Performance Anxiety:


I hate to say it, but dinner theatre to the stage actor is the equivalent of a McDonalds commercial for the film star.

[ 20 September 2004: Message edited by: Performance Anxiety ]



No, you don't hate to say it. You very much enjoy casting pearls before swine; that is, people trying to make a fucking living. I don't think you could sound more pretentious if you tried.

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Why not do some feminist theatre, or applied theatre with a cultural community?

Sheila Copps doing this? Are you kidding? That would suck so bad. Like that MadTV skit, where Barbara Bush does The Vagina Monologues. Only not funny.

Jeez, PA; get a grip.


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posted 20 September 2004 07:57 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Copps already has a very cozy living, thank you very much. If people want to make a living prancing about in sexist farces (eg: a lot of dinner theatre) that is their business, but someone of Copps' stature and reputation as both a feminist and the former Minister of Culture should really know that theatre is capable of so much more. So quit ragging on me - I'm only saying that she is in a unique position to use the theatre in a useful way, unlike most actors nowadays.
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I doubt she could pull it off. She would look ridiculous. Is that what you want experimental and political theatre to be? Trivialised by ineptitude? Surely not.
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posted 20 September 2004 08:02 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steel Magnolias is a sexist farce?
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posted 20 September 2004 08:15 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steel Magnolias is not a bedroom farce, but it might be considered a farce regarding truthful representation of women - it was written by a man: Robert Harling. Based on a true story, the "comedy/drama" is set in a small Louisiana beauty shop and focuses on the lives of five women.

I thought Copps was "nobody's baby". Playing a female created by a male in a theatrical beauty salon might very well make her Harling's.


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posted 20 September 2004 08:44 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PA, how familiar are you with the phrase 'reading way too much into it'?
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No, you don't hate to say it. You very much enjoy casting pearls before swine; that is, people trying to make a fucking living. I don't think you could sound more pretentious if you tried.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sheila Copps "struggling" to earn a living... HAHAHAHHA!!

yeah, she is just scrrrrrrrrraping by...


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posted 20 September 2004 09:14 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I'm only saying that she is in a unique position to use the theatre in a useful way, unlike most actors nowadays.

That's true. It's easy to produce, finance, direct and star in a one-woman show about The Evil of Everything when you're an ex-MP from Hamilton, but what are the Brad Pitts and the Julia Robertses of the world supposed to do? Put on a play in the back of a car? With actors virtually silenced, and performers systematically denied exposure, it falls to those few actors who've have the resources and connections — like Sheila — to take up the torch.


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posted 20 September 2004 09:28 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sillygoil:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sheila Copps "struggling" to earn a living... HAHAHAHHA!!

yeah, she is just scrrrrrrrrraping by...


I was, of course, not referring to Ms Copps; of course, the question must be asked as to why she would have to defend her choice to support these artists as opposed to any other.

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Ya, I thought the same thing myself. Like, why couldn't she find one of those huge stripey "Cat in the Hat" hats and a unicycle and ride around barefoot wearing an anti-Bush t-shirt? Why wouldn't she dress as a giant sewing machine with a huge teare in its eye and visit Walmart to protest something or other? Why couldn't she organize flashmobs?

Earning a living and entertaining people are so friggin' bourgeois it makes me want to scream!



Magoo, you are one of the most consistantly funny buggers I have ever come across. It makes up for your maddening arguments in some other threads.

You should write a friggin' book! (I know I'd buy two or three!)


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quote:
Originally posted by sillygoil:
No it's not the lipstick - it's the nasty rumours that he wears a thong... or worse: SPEEDOS!!!!


Aaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhh!!!!!!

*falls to floor, gouging at eyes*

I did NOT just read that! I did NOT just read that!

The horror! The HORROR!!


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quote:
Originally posted by Performance Anxiety:

I hate to say it, but dinner theatre to the stage actor is the equivalent of a McDonalds commercial for the film star.

Stop being such a SNOT, PA. You're not just dissing Copps, you're insulting all the struggling young (and older) actors who are making a hard-earned buck as best as they can.

McDonalds may not be petit fois gras, or pheasant under glass, but it tastes pretty good when you're fucking starving.

Or are you too much of a "big shot" to appreciate the "little people" any more??


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I just think that the theatre has better uses, and it depresses me to think the old Minister of Culture has ended up like this. It is like a 5 star chef now flipping burgers at McDonalds. Its like Audra working for Can-West Global. Does it make me a "snot" because I am disappointed in Copps' performance? Is being critical the equivalent of being "snotty" nowadays?

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No - Stephen Harper is just plain creepy... kind of like oh, I don't know... zombie creepy. At least with Jack Layton, he looks pleasant and appears to be rogaine free - hell, he's sexy!

keep it up people, more campaign slogans for the next election:

Stephen Harper - He's Zombie Creepy
Jack Layton - Pleasant and Rogaine-Free
Jack Layton - Hell, What A Sexy Man


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I just think that the theatre has better uses, and it depresses me to think the old Minister of Culture has ended up like this.

well, let's take her at face value. she wants to try acting. why not start in dinner theatre? i believe career guidance counsellors call it a "taster" ... i.e. to see if she might want to pursue it full-time.

if after 5 years (theatre school, 4 years of being "police officer #2" on CBC series) it doesn't work out, she can always fall back on the corporate trough, ha ha.


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posted 23 September 2004 12:38 AM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Performance Anxiety:
I just think that the theatre has better uses, and it depresses me to think the old Minister of Culture has ended up like this. It is like a 5 star chef now flipping burgers at McDonalds. Its like Audra working for Can-West Global. Does it make me a "snot" because I am disappointed in Copps' performance? Is being critical the equivalent of being "snotty" nowadays?

[ 21 September 2004: Message edited by: Performance Anxiety ]


No, let us clarify it for you: Being

you is the equivalent of being snotty, OK? YOU ARE A SNOT.

U=Snot.

kapice? Or,

Fries with that, sir?


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snot

\Snot\, n. [AS. snot; akin to D. snot, LG. snotte, Dan. snot, and to E. snout. See Snout.] 1. Mucus secreted in, or discharged from, the nose. [Low]

2. A mean, insignificant fellow. [Low]

Neither of these definitions rings a bell when I think of myself. What's with all the ad hominem attacks nowadyas on Babble? Just because I think Copps is misuing her acting potential is no reason to get abusive. Honestly, is it so hard that people stick to discussing the topic intelligently. Sometimes this place seems like nothing more than a virtual frat house.


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I don't like this PA. He's the whiny one who won't let anything go. Where's the PA who just goofs around, sometimes actually commenting on issues and, as Magoo once put it, is as "abuse-proof as an anvil?"
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posted 23 September 2004 10:09 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
as Magoo once put it, is as "abuse-proof as an anvil?"

quick change, with bill murray:

"What the hell kind of clown are you?"
"The 'crying on the inside' kind, I guess"


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posted 23 September 2004 03:49 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I don't like this PA. He's the whiny one who won't let anything go. Where's the PA who just goofs around, sometimes actually commenting on issues and, as Magoo once put it, is as "abuse-proof as an anvil?"

Sorry, but I'm relatively new to playing PA (the character was passed to me in August). I am not all that familiar with the previous plot, or the current given circumstances for my role. If there are any inadequacies in my interpretation and performance of the character, please feel free to provide acting notes. Cheers.


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posted 23 September 2004 04:45 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Steel Magnolias is not a bedroom farce, but it might be considered a farce regarding truthful representation of women - it was written by a man: Robert Harling. Based on a true story, the "comedy/drama" is set in a small Louisiana beauty shop and focuses on the lives of five women.

And yet many women still appreciate those depictions. My mother, for instance, has seen the movie version of "Steel Magnolias" several times. She and her friends seem to find some truth to the representation. I don't think the sex of the author has anything to do with anything, if the result is a well-written work.

And while "Steel Magnolias" may be straight melodrama, it's a fairly effective one. It may not be experimental or on the edge, but it's something that many people appreciate. What many experimentalists (in film as well as theatre) forget is that if the end result is not entertaining to the spectator, you have no audience.


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posted 23 September 2004 04:48 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Sorry, but I'm relatively new to playing PA (the character was passed to me in August). I am not all that familiar with the previous plot, or the current given circumstances for my role.

Well, this is a new one (so far as I know -- ans assuming of course that it's true. Sorry PA, but if you have recently "assumed the role," it comes with lots of baggage).

What's the opposite of a sock puppet, anyone? A Nixon mask, say, that gets passed from poster to poster?

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posted 23 September 2004 04:49 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
a) I wouldn't believe a word PA says about this and b) it's been claimed before.
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posted 23 September 2004 04:51 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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a) I wouldn't believe a word PA says about this and b) it's been claimed before.

Fair enough.

I still like the phrase "Nixon mask," though.


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posted 23 September 2004 04:57 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Nixon Mask" can morph quite nicely into "Dick Face"
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posted 23 September 2004 04:58 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 23 September 2004 05:19 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, 'lance. That sounded brusquer than intended.

If 'brusqer' is actually a word. More brusque, anyhow.


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posted 23 September 2004 05:20 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's brusque, brisker and bruschetta.

...jeez, get it right, for God's sakes.

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posted 23 September 2004 05:24 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always have trouble with Italian food.
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posted 23 September 2004 05:39 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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It is like a 5 star chef now flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Actually, it's not. PA, Ms. Copps has not trained as a stage actress, but as a politician. The two occupations have superficial commonalities, but they are not the same. However, there is a far more substantial commonality between dinner theatre and theatre that is “interactive, collaborative, critical, and direct,” in that both are apparently accessible to the untrained and relatively untalented. They must be, since you assert that Ms. Copps could have chosen something more experimental.

Talented people in any field will readily admit that experimentation requires a solid grasp of traditional fundamentals. Those who experiment with chair design must first prove themselves able to design a Louis IV or a Chippendale, since those chairs have never been surpassed, by any standard. When untrained or relatively untalented people begin by experimenting, they will forever reinvent inferior wheels. And so they and their creations are always vulnerable to mockery. But, when people in that situation begin by apprenticing in traditional fundamentals—banality of course being the precise value, like doing scales—then there is a chance for development. Most people would rather sit through amateur dinner theatre than amateur experimental theatre because at least in dinner theatre the effect of incompetence is muted and often compensated by the structure of tradition. And of course, there’s also dinner (possibly including bruschetta, depending on the venue).

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posted 23 September 2004 05:44 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Sorry, 'lance. That sounded brusquer than intended.

My dear fellow. Notatall. Think no more on it.

As to the grammatical point -- Hinterland, as usual, is right.

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posted 23 September 2004 05:47 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You said most eloquently what I've been trying to formulate since this thread began, Bittersweet.

I can't believe that I've been working on a DEFENSE of Sheila Copps. I think that my local bacon supplier may need to purchase a feather plucker.

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posted 23 September 2004 05:55 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I think that my local bacon supplier may need to purchase a feather plucker.

Eh?


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posted 23 September 2004 05:58 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I figure that a pig would have feathered wings rather than skin wings like a bat.

Since I'm defending Sheila Copps, I assume that the local pigs have indeed grown wings.


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posted 23 September 2004 05:59 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, I see.
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posted 23 September 2004 06:03 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Since I'm defending Sheila Copps, I assume that the local pigs have indeed grown wings.

Well, that definitely wasn't a codfish that just flew by my window, Heywood.


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posted 23 September 2004 10:14 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by bittersweet:
Actually, it's not. PA, Ms. Copps has not trained as a stage actress, but as a politician. The two occupations have superficial commonalities, but they are not the same. However, there is a far more substantial commonality between dinner theatre and theatre that is “interactive, collaborative, critical, and direct,” in that both are apparently accessible to the untrained and relatively untalented. They must be, since you assert that Ms. Copps could have chosen something more experimental.

Talented people in any field will readily admit that experimentation requires a solid grasp of traditional fundamentals. Those who experiment with chair design must first prove themselves able to design a Louis IV or a Chippendale, since those chairs have never been surpassed, by any standard. When untrained or relatively untalented people begin by experimenting, they will forever reinvent inferior wheels. And so they and their creations are always vulnerable to mockery. But, when people in that situation begin by apprenticing in traditional fundamentals—banality of course being the precise value, like doing scales—then there is a chance for development. Most people would rather sit through amateur dinner theatre than amateur experimental theatre because at least in dinner theatre the effect of incompetence is muted and often compensated by the structure of tradition. And of course, there’s also dinner (possibly including bruschetta, depending on the venue).

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1. The task of stage actress and politician is to play a role and perform. It's essentially the same skills, just being applied differently.

2. "traditional fundamentals" in the theatre should by no means be equated with the traditional theatre stage or dinner theatre. The fundamental principle at work in the theatre is the playing of a character, not the staging of Artistotelian-structured written works. If anything, this experience could dragoon Copp's understanding of the theatre by signing her up as a suscriber to the theatrical norm.

3. Copps is a natural at acting - look at all those years performing in the theatre of parliament. You don't need to do scales if your voice already sounds like the lark, and you certainly don't need to be bogged down with jargon, rules, and restrictions about how or what to sing.

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posted 23 September 2004 11:29 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
1. The task of stage actress and politician is to play a role and perform. It's essentially the same skills, just being applied differently.

Then surely you have nothing but good to say when actors become politicians, right?


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posted 24 September 2004 01:01 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am so very torn about this.

On the one hand I am not fond of Sheila's public persona. I think she may be a grand lady in her personal life but in politics she got on my nerves.

I tried to tape her Train 48 appearance because I'm dazzled that she's pulling a Reverse Schwartzenegger. That didn't pan out, so I feel as if I must go see this Dinner Theatre brouhaha. But Kingston is so...far... especially for dinner theatre. I can't reconcile this fact with my burning desire to see Sheila as a steel magnolia.


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PA:

As for #1, you are saying that an apple is a fruit and therefore it can be an orange. This demeans both apple and orange, which nature spent millennia evolving as independent species, with blatantly different results. Thus you demean nature in the process. Way to go.

As for #2, again you would have the apple apply (that was intentional, thankyouverymuch), ah say the apple apply its limited experience and without training in orangeness, presume to be one. Well, the banana’s peel awaits in that case.

Because experimental theatre is a reaction to the traditional form, it necessarily refers to it. That’s always the case with avant-garde work, and the most successful rebels have taken care to first ground themselves in the traditions they want to break from. For example, Ingmar Bergman—whom no one accuses of being slavishly traditional—made Persona after working for two decades staging Aristotelian social dramas and romances. Ms. Copps is only following the best examples by taking care to first understand the theatrical norm.

And #3…a “natural” at acting? Again you demean the craft if you think that natural talent—if one can be so certain it exists, based on a job in politics—does not need rigorous training independently of said job to come to fruition (yes, we are back to fruition again; it’s the same point, really). Furthermore, equating real-life roles, that is, jobs--especially ones with at best a superficial kinship to traditional norms of theatrical performance and setting--with the role of theatrical performers, has been promoted for so long as a liberating concept that it has become a banality itself--a traditional norm.

Musicians do scales so they can play more than one note, and eventually combine those notes into melodies. Ms. Copps hasn’t practised scales; she’s been playing a single note. Therefore, continuing the metaphor, she is not an accomplished musician.

You believe the process of training in the theatrical norm bogs an actor down in “jargon, rules, and restrictions.” That if they’ve “played a role” before, then they can also make effective experimental theatre. I recognize this clichéd accusation. It’s the lament of the college art student whose youthful instinct to rebel provokes him to blindly strain at the yoke of discipline and to align himself with famous—preferably notorious—names in the avant-garde. It’s a natural ethic for young novices to have, and it’s produced great work—when it doesn’t spoil the chance to first master the fundamentals. But if it does, then the ethic produces a dilettante. And that's a far more creatively restrictive situation than even a blind loyalty to tradition.


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