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DrConway
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posted 07 December 2005 01:13 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Info here.

It looks like this will be an excellent movie. It's about two young men in 1960s Wyoming discovering they like each other as more than just friends, but because of the conservative attitudes of society around them, they have no choice but to get married to women and do "the expected thing".

Someone on the website describes it as a "Shakespearean Tragedy", and I think it fits.


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posted 07 December 2005 08:39 AM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Can't say I agree. All I could think about when I saw the preview was that Kids in the Hall skit where the guys from "Steps" go to see a movie called Intimate Circumstances, which as billed as Hollywood's first attempt at gay romance.
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posted 07 December 2005 08:52 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A new Ang Lee movie!!! I've been waiting for this to come out. Unfortunately, it'll be well into the Christmas holidays before I can find the time to go see it.
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posted 07 December 2005 09:11 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RP.:
Can't say I agree. All I could think about when I saw the preview was that Kids in the Hall skit where the guys from "Steps" go to see a movie called Intimate Circumstances, which as billed as Hollywood's first attempt at gay romance.

I thought about the South Park episode where the kids go see an independent film that turns out to be about gay cowboys eating pudding.


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posted 07 December 2005 09:43 AM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Gay cowboys rule... that's all I have to say about that.

IN YOUR FACE STRAIGHT COWPOKES!!!


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 December 2005 10:02 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Well, if they're "cowpokes"....


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chester the prairie shark
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posted 07 December 2005 12:35 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
lonely farmer jokes heph? for shame.
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posted 07 December 2005 04:20 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've not read any reviews on this yet, but if it is indeed a 'tragedy,' I do hope it's not just another Dead Homo Picture.

There are enough of those already.

[ 07 December 2005: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]


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Bacchus
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posted 07 December 2005 04:43 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Larry
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
DEAD: After finally coming out to Xander, Larry is eaten by a giant snake.

What episode was that?


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 December 2005 04:56 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Tape_342:
I've not read any reviews on this yet...

Such as it is...

quote:
... This is more than just a gay love story.  This is the ultimate movie love story and even though the lovers are both male, the story follows the classic Hollywood formula and that is what makes all the difference.

Ang Lee delivers his best film to date. Lee, who has directed "Hulk" and "Sense and Sensibility" could have made this an insipid melodrama.  Instead, he has given us a powerfully classy film.

Ledger and Gyllenhaal could have been one dimensional typical Hollywood cookie cutter gays.  Instead they are real people with all of the complexities we all face and who happen to fall in love.

Ledger calls it the best love story he has ever done. Gyllenhaal turns in a highly nuanced performance, perhaps the best of his career.



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quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
Larry
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
DEAD: After finally coming out to Xander, Larry is eaten by a giant snake.
What episode was that?

[DRIFT] Link [/DRIFT]


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Bacchus
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posted 07 December 2005 05:10 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
ahh thanks Tape, I had forgotten that one

end of drift


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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
[QB][/QB]


It seems to have no flaws what so ever...creepy.

My mom and I will definatly see this one when it comes to Fernie...if it comes to Fernie.


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posted 07 December 2005 07:15 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the reviews I've seen (notably Onion's AV), this is gonig to be an Event. Like Thelma & Louise or even Roots (TV). I think we might see a sharp upsurge in intelligent discourse even in the media about sexuality...

(But then I thought, waiting to see it, that Apocalypse Now was gonna do that for the Vietnam War.)


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 07 December 2005 07:18 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hee hee. My friend Jennifer is just dying with sweat to see this. "Hot man-on-man action!" she chortled with glee. Will single women beat gay men for the target demographic?
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Hephaestion
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Hmpphh.... why is it that some straights are so.... ah..... enthusiastic about what non-straights do behind closed doors? Personally, I have virtually *no* fascination with what all straights get up to... Is it just the relative novelty of it, d'ya think?

I would like to see this movie, sure, but it would be nice to eventually see movies where the fact that any given character is gay, lesbian, trans, or what ever is of no more consequence -- and elicits no more attention -- than their eye or hair colour. (Unless it has a direct bearing on the plot, of course.)


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posted 08 December 2005 12:48 AM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Seems to me I've seen British movies that fit that bill, Heph, although of course I can't cite a name.

As for heated prurience, at least from males...well, heck, not to get too mired in santorum, but we do with a female is not, generally speaking (well what can I say? broadly? holistically?), different as an experience...whereas, well, we have prostates too -- [tries to find reverse of smiley]

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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Hmpphh.... why is it that some straights are so.... ah..... enthusiastic about what non-straights do behind closed doors? Personally, I have virtually *no* fascination with what all straights get up to... Is it just the relative novelty of it, d'ya think?

I think I can answer this one. It's our suspicion that gay sex is better than straight sex. Like straight porn ... booorrring. I mean, come on, I'm straight so I know how straight people have sex. Many, many years ago, I sometimes participated. But gay porn? That's educational.


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Hephaestion
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posted 08 December 2005 12:52 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Well.... I've had straight sex -- exactly twice. I can tell you the gay sex is waaaaaaaaaaaay better!
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Chubbles
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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Well.... I've had straight sex -- exactly twice. I can tell you the gay sex is waaaaaaaaaaaay better!

See? Told ya.


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DrConway
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posted 08 December 2005 01:28 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Jacob Two-Two:
Hee hee. My friend Jennifer is just dying with sweat to see this. "Hot man-on-man action!" she chortled with glee. Will single women beat gay men for the target demographic?

Not if they want to get ahead of me in line they won't!


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Raos
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I definitely want to see this, but I tend to be slow to see movies, so it might not happen too quickly.
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Hey, surfing along just now, I noticed this --
Brokeback Mountain, the original story
It's the current New Yorker.

Annie Proulx. (Of the best book on fading culture I've read, the Norse in Greenland.)

Far as I know she's straight, not lesbian. Would that make her more, or less, likely to write well of the sex stuff? (Just "likely"; for her in particular, of course you'd hafta read it. Which I haven't...I'm bigger on Vikings than cowboys.)

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posted 08 December 2005 09:57 PM      Profile for Gold_n_blonde     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

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quote:
Originally posted by Gold_n_blonde:
I think we should start a new thread based on the question "Is gay sex better than straight sex?"

The answer? On the whole, probably.


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80% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes

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By Rex Reed

Brokeback Mountain is an American masterpiece. Riding in on a crest of critical raves from Venice and Toronto, the new film by the visually gifted Ang Lee, with Larry McMurtry co-adapting a screenplay that throbs with realism from the acclaimed New Yorker short story by Pulitzer Prize winner Annie Proulx, is finally here, with quality and artistry stamped all over it like labels on a Vuitton trunk. Weirdly enough, we still live in a time when a film about two rugged Marlboro men in love can also be dogged by controversy. Silly and antediluvian as raised eyebrows are in the 21st century, I say bring ’em on, as long as they turn Brokeback Mountain into the box-office triumph it deserves to be.

When I say Brokeback Mountain is a masterpiece, I don’t mean gay masterpiece. In fact, it’s not so much a gay movie as it is a beautifully directed, sensitively acted, gorgeously photographed love story about two people in the right place at the wrong time, who fall in love serendipitously and against their better judgment, and spend the next 20 years of their lives burdened by their compromises. The accidental lovers could be any unconventional couple—interracial, a cop and a drag queen, or an older teacher and a younger pupil. Same-sex love in the Biblical sense is just one of the taboos forbidden by some segments of not-so-polite society. Only a fool would try to analyze love.


Leno tonight:

It's so cold in Wyoming right now even the straight cowboys are cuddling for warmth.


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MSNBC's The straight dude’s guide to ‘Brokeback’

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Accept the fact that this is all your fault in the first place.

You were the one who was all excited to take your ladyfriend to “Jarhead” anyway and when you got there and saw that it consisted of lot of AJ (how this article will refer to Adorable Jake from here on) running around all sweaty, muscular and shirtless in the desert, doing a sexy dance wearing nothing but a Santa Claus cap over his “area” and then simulating a big gay orgy with his fellow grunts, you were like, “When does the killing start in this movie?” while your woman thought, “Oh yes, more Santa Dancing please.” You brought it on yourself.
...

You kind of have no idea how important it is for you to shut up. But it’s crucial.
...
Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you.... Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.
...
the script was adapted by none other than Total Dude Larry McMurtry. That guy is the coolest western writer in the country. He wrote “Lonesome Dove.” You love “Lonesome Dove.”


...it goes on.


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Well I saw it at the film festival in Toronto and it is fantastic.

Ang Lee is, I believe, gay himself, although I am not nor male either but this film is both a beautiful love story and a story about the limits of desire in this culture and the impact of not following your heart.

I suck as a film reviewer but I highly recommend it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Judes:
Well I saw it at the film festival in Toronto and it is fantastic.

Ang Lee is, I believe, gay himself, although I am not nor male either but this film is both a beautiful love story and a story about the limits of desire in this culture and the impact of not following your heart.

I suck as a film reviewer but I highly recommend it.


The theme is an echo of his earlier work -- "The Wedding Banquet" featured a gay Chinese man living in the US with his white lover who arranged to marry a Chinese woman to make his family happy and to fulfill his cultural duty. It was a low-budget film, but beautifully realised (one of my and the blond guy's all-time favourites). So it's not the first time he has tackled sexual orientation and the restrictions of culture.


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quote:
Originally posted by Judes:
Ang Lee is, I believe, gay himself

Nope.


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Timebandit
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posted 09 December 2005 11:38 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Acording to imdb.com, Ang Lee is married to a woman and has two children.
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DrConway
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Check it out. The original story.

I gotta say, I love how earthy the characters are. They talk exactly like the way I'd expect good ole boys in the sixties to talk.


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Hephaestion
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Thanks, Doc ! That will have to tide me over till the movie comes out on DVD, I guess. I don't expect it will play at my one local movie house....
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quote:
(LA)  The Los Angeles Film Critics Association says "Brokeback Mountain" is the best film of 2005. [...] The film's director, Ang Lee, earned the critics' award for best director.

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This is a review from Slate from someone who saw the movie. It's an interesting viewpoint:

Human sexuality

If the link doesn't work, see below:

In reading the cinematic reviews of Brokeback mountain, it is too bad that the reviewers above have no knowledge or have lost that knowledge to urban mind washing, of human sexuality. The film was a protrayal of genuine human sexuality within the setting of a rural scape, something most "gay" people cannot fathom. This movie was neither gay or homosexual but a representation of a love between two men that is manifested in the traditional physical form through sex, man on man sex. Most "friendships" of this kind never get to the sex part for a number of reasons. But some do when those involved realize there is a deeper connection that they can not or will not recognize but must experience. Sometimes it is just a few times when the desire builds over months or years and other times it is every week or month, whatever can be safely stolen from the critical eyes of our "community". As a sexual man in a rural setting who has thankfully had more than his due of male "friendships" both sexual and non, I thank my God for the opportunity to bring a deeper meaning of the words friend, lover and partner than those in vogue today. And as Dolly Parton said in "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" -- "...and there is nothing dirty goin' on !!...."


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Sometimes it is just a few times when the desire builds over months or years and other times it is every week or month, whatever can be safely stolen from the critical eyes of our "community".

What does he mean? Is he condemning gays for biphobia?


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Brokeback Mountain? Nawww, 'tain't so gay as all that... *hack-ptooi*



quote:
In the beginning we told you about de-gaying Brokeback Mountain. Well, now that the film is a critical success, it looks like we're getting the second wave - the one driven by the dollar signs that are lighting up in the eyes of Hollywood. Focus Features knows that if it's really going to cash in now it has to sell tickets to "joe public" and that probably explains why they've issued a new ad campaign that deemphasizes the whole "gay" thing.


Coming soon: the re-release of "The Not-So-Much-Crying-As-Choking-Up Game" and new to tee-vee this fall, "Fashionably-Dressed, Witty and Funny Cooks and Decorators' Eye For the Slovenly Guy"...

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Faux didn't like it... big fat surprise!

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Homophobe John Gibson mistaken for a film critic

Even though Brokeback Mountain has won top honors from the Los Angeles Film Critics Association and the New York Film Critics Circle, just to name two, John Gibson over at Fox News had this to say about it - "What's more difficult to watch: George Clooney getting his fingernails ripped out in Syriana or that?" He was referring, of course, to a one of the lovemaking scenes between Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal. We've grown to expect nothing less from Fox News, but to base an entire film review on Gibson's melodramatic homophobia is inexcusable.

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I was browsing movie listings looking for when Brokeback Mountain starts here, and noticed that Atlantic Canada's aptly named "Empire Theatres" (who now own all of the local movie theatres) website shows no trace of the film. Not in individual theatres listings, not under "currently playing", not under "coming soon", etc, etc...

Why would a theatre chain not be promoting (or at the very least listing) a critically-acclaimed film with lots of buzz? I'm concerned that they don't seem to be planning to show the film.


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It's not opening for a couple of weeks outside of 20 major North American cities.
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quote:
Originally posted by neoluddite:
I was browsing movie listings looking for when Brokeback Mountain starts here, and noticed that Atlantic Canada's aptly named "Empire Theatres" (who now own all of the local movie theatres) website shows no trace of the film. Not in individual theatres listings, not under "currently playing", not under "coming soon", etc, etc...

Why would a theatre chain not be promoting (or at the very least listing) a critically-acclaimed film with lots of buzz? I'm concerned that they don't seem to be planning to show the film.


That is pretty curious. They have numerous other films in the "coming soon" section of their website. There is a trailer for Brokeback in the trailer section...maybe they simply haven't agreed to a release date with the distributor yet?


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It played last night to a packed theatre at the Oxford in Halifax, and they had been giving out free passes for about a week, if not longer, so they certainly are trying to promote it.

I think any omission on Empire Theatre websites has more to do with web-based incompetence than with a lack of effort in promoting the film.

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Interview with Annie Proulx
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Prolly gonna see it sometime. Just don't know when.
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"Hmpphh.... why is it that some straights are so.... ah..... enthusiastic about what non-straights do behind closed doors?"

What's not to like? If you are woman who gets off on hot guys, two hot guys going at it might sound pretty good. Not to mention that in a lot of gay pron both guys seem to be actually into it. Whereas with a lot of straight stuff, it's all about the guy. Of course, if I'm talking about the more pedestrian gay stuff here.


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Looking ahead to the Oscar race, the distributor of Brokeback Mountain has come up with a sanitized ad campaign.

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Perhaps to remind viewers (and [Academy] voters) that there's more to director Ang Lee's film than its wrenching portrait of a gay relationship, a new "for your consideration" advertisement appeared in today's Hollywood trade papers. Where most of the ads to date have pictured Ledger and Gyllenhaal, this one covers all the bases by going for a distinctly familial, and thoroughly heterosexual, image: Jack Twist and his wife Lureen (Anne Hathaway) holding their newborn baby.
Story

Arrgggh. Do they actually think people will just kinda 'not notice' the queer parts of the film?


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this one covers all the bases by going for a distinctly familial, and thoroughly heterosexual, image: Jack Twist and his wife Lureen (Anne Hathaway) holding their newborn baby.


There's actually a image of this promo shot a little up-thread...

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posted 30 December 2005 09:37 AM      Profile for Corinne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Two reasons to love Jake Gyllenhaal:
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What made me most courageous was that I realized I had to try to let go of that stereotype I had in my mind, that bit of homophobia, and try for a second to be vulnerable and sensitive. It was fuckin' hard, man. I succeeded only for milliseconds.

(On making out with Heath Ledger)

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I'm in the business of helping stories get told, and I love this story. People don't say to me, When you were in Proof, were you afraid to play a mathematician? Or, Was it scary to play a Marine in Jarhead? Why is that?

I think this quote is right on. I've been thinking the same thing and he articulated it so perfectly.

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>>>SPOILER ALERT<<<<

I saw the movie and I was struck by its similarities to another hit movie "King Kong".

Yes indeed, King Kong and Brokeback Mtn., do have a lot of similarities....

1. True love - denied by circumstance and prevailing attitude
2. One partner does not make it though
3. The mountain plays a major role as a metaphor
4. Taking a long journey to find love as a metaphor

A little simplistic maybe, but the paralells are certainly there.

I thought both movies were excellent.

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rockerbiff, do you think you could put a spoiler alert above your post?
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The film has definitely entered the popular consciousness. Though still in limited release the film's title and subject matter have already been bandied about in various celebrity interviews on talk shows, not to mention been the subject of one of Letterman's top ten lists.

And below is an article on Ledger's and Gyllenhaal's "auras":

http://tinyurl.com/dnloz

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(AP) This past weekend it was the top-grossing film on a per-screen basis:
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The Ang Lee film, which follows the 20-year forbidden romance between two roughneck ranch hands, earned $13,599 per theater, compared with $9,305 for weekend winner King Kong and $8,225 for The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
The strategy is a gradual roll-out, which seems to be working just fine:
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It opened in just six theaters, where it earned an "unprecedented" $109,000 per venue, said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box office tracker Exhibitor Relations Co. Inc.

The film expanded to 69 theaters the following week, then to 217 over the holiday weekend, reaching suburban audiences in Portland, Dallas, Denver and Atlanta.

The gradual release allows moviegoers to talk up the film's appeal, Foley said.

And it seems to be working. "This is a film that builds through word of mouth and critical acclaim," Dergarabedian said, adding, "People want to see what all the fuss is about."

Response has been so robust that distributors are expanding the film's rollout ahead of schedule. It will show on 269 screens this Friday, and reach an additional 80 markets the following week, Foley said.



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Here's a funny editorial from Larry David in the *New York Times*. Though he considers himself "pro-gay" he still can't bring himself to see the film:

http://tinyurl.com/agg7z

I suspect that the article is at least a bit tongue-in-cheek, but if by chance he's actually serious the guy definitely needs psychiatric help.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boarsbreath:
Seems to me I've seen British movies that fit that bill, Heph, although of course I can't cite a name.

My Beautiful Launderette?


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Maybe...it did matter though, to the plot, but then it wasn't prurient or sensational (not that I object to the latter: Crying Game, I think, is about as fine as a movie can be...and, like BBMountain & King K, bears a close structural resemblance to another finest-kind, Casablanca).
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quote:
Originally posted by Boarsbreath:

...another finest-kind, Casablanca).



*swoon*

I looooove Casablanca!!!!

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I would encourage all babblers to see Brokeback Mountain. I saw it this afternoon...it was devastating.

When the film started, I thought (kinda along the lines of one of Heph's posts above), "We will have made real progress, not when a film like this can be made but when a film like this can be made without calling it a "gay film". In other words, I was thinking, "Why isn't this just a love story?"

Well, after watching the film, it's both a love story and a story about bigotry...and it was necessary that the two lead characters were gay in order to highlight the latter aspect of the film.

Wow. I left the theater just reeling.

Don't go to Brokeback Mountain to "escape"...you might escape thoughts of work and things like that but you won't soon escape the images of that film.

I hope it will help people better empathize with the insane emotional struggles that many gays must contend with even in today's world.


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A Dissident Review:

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There are many reasons to dislike Brokeback Mountain -- the complete lack of chemistry between the male leads, the painful, groan-inducing dialogue, the energyless pacing -- but all of this seems nitpicky in comparison to an outdated, out-of-touch theme. Marketed as the first (although it isn't, really) mainstream cross-over homosexual love story, it seems strange that liberal urbanites would open their arms to the story of two closeted dudes who can’t deal with their sexuality, are made miserable by the secret, and die unhappy and alone. This is the stuff of progressive filmmaking? Some might argue that the film’s implicit message is that staying in the closet is a mistake -- that if these cowboys had “come out,” they wouldn’t have faced such a miserable end. But my guess is most blue-state straight people walked out of the theater thinking, “Gee -- what a shame to be gay. Those poor people. Glad I’m not!” Can you disagree with them? What a depressing, miserable vision of the gay experience.

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Haven't seen the film yet and must, along with the Québec film success Crazy about a family with 5 boys, one of whom slowly discovers he is gay and does not want to lose his beloved but backward father's love.

From my studies of labour and migration history, man-on-man sex is extremely common in "macho" single-sex settings such as logging camps and while building railways, and has tacit acceptance among the guys. What seems taboo is for a utilitarian sexual relationship to evolve into something deeper.


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Tape: I was afraid of something like that...

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Originally posted by lagatta:

From my studies of labour and migration history, man-on-man sex is extremely common in "macho" single-sex settings such as logging camps and while building railways, and has tacit acceptance among the guys. What seems taboo is for a utilitarian sexual relationship to evolve into something deeper.



There's apparently a saying in the Navy: "It's only queer if you're in port"...

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I've got to say, this movie exceeded my expectations. The film was just so well done. I thought that it would only cater to a small set of the population, but think that anyone could love this movie, if they can just watch it with an open mind.

I really believe this movie has the potential to set in motion a dramatic change south of the border. It really has the power to speak to someone's heart, and get past any prevailing stereotypes. In anti-gay, red-state American, I believe Brokeback could represent the beginning of a new wave of tolerance.


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I saw it yesterday and enjoyed it very much. It's beautifully shot with moving performances. I was a bit disappointed that the relationship was portrayed more in terms of what it couldn't be than what it was - not enough smooches for me! - but the director's overall approach was one of restraint, so perhaps that makes sense.

It is a bit too long, but other than that it's very good.

Edited to add that I can't share the optimism about the movie changing attitudes. Perhaps, it might have a teensy effect on people who are more uncomfortable with than hostile to gay sexuality. But really, I can't see many homophobes going to see this. Which is too bad.
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I enjoyed that review, Tape, although I have one quibble. (Full disclosure: I haven't seen the movie or read the novel or screeplay, although I love both Proulx and McMurtry.)

For a while, that review is fighting the marketing and the politics rather than evaluating the movie itself. The formal critique comes later, and since I haven't seen the film, I can only take his word.

But it's a bit of a mug's game to obsess over reception, especially among "blue-state" audiences (red-state even more, no?).

And this:

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It wouldn’t be so bad if there were dozens of films released a year featuring gay characters played by A-list movie stars, but it is Brokeback’s unique position as being the only one that makes the film problematic. If you’re going to use the critical mass that comes along with casting Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger to gain the attention across America, it’s too bad the movie has to be about self-hatred, repression and despair.

Its "position" makes it problematic? Ok to claim that if you recognize that it is a marketing or political worry, but it certainly isn't a critical evaluation.

And why is it too bad the movie has to be about self-hatred, repression, and despair? Much great art throughout history has been about self-hatred, repression, and/or despair.

Brown does then go on to analyse the film formally, and he sounds convincing (to me, who hasn't seen it). But I kept wondering all the way through whether it wasn't the despair that kept getting to him - as it might not to others.


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The differing critical views of this film remind me of what I've read about 1970's
The Boys in the Band:
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The story is about a birthday party staged by a group of gay men. An old college friend of the host drops in unexpectedly with disastrous results. The characters are miserable and bitchy towards each other and themselves. Yet, the film was groundbreaking as being the first mainstream Hollywood film to focus on the lives of gay men.

ETA--
Disclosure: I haven't been out to see it, either. I've just been following reviews.

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Rotten Tomatos has an 88% fresh rating; that is, 127 fresh to 17 rotten.
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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

And why is it too bad the movie has to be about self-hatred, repression, and despair? Much great art throughout history has been about self-hatred, repression, and/or despair.

Brown does then go on to analyse the film formally, and he sounds convincing (to me, who hasn't seen it). But I kept wondering all the way through whether it wasn't the despair that kept getting to him - as it might not to others.[/QB]


I agree with you Skdadl. The vehemence of alot of the critical commentary is striking. Part of the issue may be that the movie is quite faithful to the original short story - it really tries to capture the smallest detail and every bit of dialogue. It's not the easist story to tell, and it certainly has its share of despair. Part of the critique, then, is about the story that was told.

Some of the critique has been plain onery and even silly (e.g. the leads are too "pretty). I tried to imagine this movie with Steve Buscemi and WH Macy. Sawry - couldn't do it!

I did not find self-hatred to be a theme of the movie . The characters don't hate themselves; they just have varying levels of fear of the probable social reaction to their choices.


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
And why is it too bad the movie has to be about self-hatred, repression, and despair? Much great art throughout history has been about self-hatred, repression, and/or despair.

I think the skittish response to stories of gay self-hatred, repression, and/or despair has to do with the history of gay portrayal in USian cinema.

As Vito Russo pointed out so well in The Celluloid Closet, the Hayes Office censors long required a despair-clotted end to any gay character portrayed in mainstream films. I mean, even to the point of ludicrous plot devices like the fate of Montogmery Clift's character in Suddenly Last Summer.

The point is, do we really need yet another, more modern, cinematic representation of gay people tearing themselves to bits?

Like I said, I haven't seen the film, but no one that I've read has suggested that there is anything new in the treatment of the subject-- in fact, it sounds as if there is much that is old.


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quote:
Originally posted by Tape_342:
The differing critical views of this film remind me of what I've read about 1970's
The Boys in the Band:


Now, Tape, I have seen Boys in the Band. At last! A movie I've seen!

I shall read that review and return. Not hard to imagine why anyone now would consider it dated, and yet in my memory, it was very intellectually tough.


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I shall read that review and return. Not hard to imagine why anyone now would consider it dated, and yet in my memory, it was very intellectually tough.

My link before was just a wikipedia thing. Here is modern take on Boys in the Band.


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Now granted, I haven't seen it yet either, but to address skdadl's point:

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And why is it too bad the movie has to be about self-hatred, repression, and despair? Much great art throughout history has been about self-hatred, repression, and/or despair.


Yabbut, for every "Romeo and Juliet", there are plenty of "Pretty Woman"s and the like. 'Straight movies' are not so overwhelmingly weighted toward the tragic, the melancholy, the despairing and depressing. Sure, there's stuff like "La Cage", but it's in a small minority. And even in a case where it's a gay role within a larger straight movie (say, "Reality Bites", for instance), the gay/lesbian role is to be sad, tragic, and, more often than not, die. I feel a little like the way First Nations friends have told me they feel about the interminable "noble savage" roles they keep seeing endlessly portrayed, which is why films like "Dance Me Outside" and plays like "Dry Lips Oughta Move to Kapuskasing" are such a welcome relief to them.

Can you see what I'm getting at?

Edit:

As usual, Tape said it soooo much better than I did...

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Hayes Office censors long required a despair-clotted end to any gay character portrayed in mainstream films. I mean, even to the point of ludicrous plot devices like the fate of Montogmery Clift's character in Suddenly Last Summer.

Well, yes. I see that, and that is a problem. (Have also seen Suddenly Last Summer many times - strangely expressionist film, very odd attitudes towards sex generally, but then that keeps it interesting.)

I've just gone looking for the cast list for Boys in the Band, to see if I could remember who gave which performance, and a couple of brilliant speeches I still recall. It was, as one of the reviews I've found says, "vituperative" - that would definitely be the word - but it was brilliantly so, very like Albee, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, etc.

Towards the end, the main guest makes a blistering speech at the host - something about everything he has being "paid for" - "paid for" is repeated over and over again, the implication being that our cool, sophisticated host is heavily in debt and living an ultra-civilized lie. And then I remember the host taking that calmly, obviously wounded, and at the end going off quietly to church (Catholic).

I don't know what all that means, Tape. It was rivetting at the time.


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La Cage? Do you mean "La Cage aux folles", in which the gay couple win the day over the homophobic far-right politician?
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Lagatta--

Yes. I still love that movie. ("The Birdcage" adaptation, however, was atrocious.)

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quote:
Originally posted by pookie:
Edited to add that I can't share the optimism about the movie changing attitudes. Perhaps, it might have a teensy effect on people who are more uncomfortable with than hostile to gay sexuality. But really, I can't see many homophobes going to see this. Which is too bad.

I agree. Like any social change, this film is not going to cause a sudden and sweeping change of attitudes. That’s too much to expect from any film. But, I do think that it will be a step in the right direction and will open the hearts and minds of many, many people in “the middle” who would otherwise be hostile, ignorant or indifferent to gays in society.


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Heph, I see the political problems and I can empathize, especially with anger at the way things must be marketed, but ...

I like Albee and Shakespeare. I've never seen Pretty Woman, and am unlikely to. The stories that resonate most with my own life have mainly been, well, depressing, or at least uncompromisingly tough-minded. They have had sad endings - or ironic ones, anyway.

If we're thinking of young people and acculturation, I see the problem. But it is a political problem, and most artists are trying to work ... somewhere else.

Not that I'm defending this movie, but do we have to be happy all the time?


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Towards the end, the main guest makes a blistering speech at the host - something about everything he has being "paid for" - "paid for" is repeated over and over again, the implication being that our cool, sophisticated host is heavily in debt and living an ultra-civilized lie. And then I remember the host taking that calmly, obviously wounded, and at the end going off quietly to church (Catholic).

I compare that speech to Harvey Fierstein's incredible line to his mother (Anne Bankcroft) in Torch Song Trilogy:

quote:
God! I have taught myself to sew, cook, fix plumbing. I can even pat myself on the back when necessary.

So I don't have to ask anyone for anything. There's nothing I need from anyone Except for love and respect.

Anyone who can't give me those two things Has no place in my life. You're my mother. I Love You. I do, but... If you can't respect me, You've got no business being here.


That was new, and made me burst into tears. I just have hopes that other films can do as well, and not revisit what Russo termed the obligatory, tired 'dead homo story.'


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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Can you see what I'm getting at?

Yes.

Anyway, I’ll be curious to hear your thoughts after you see the film after it finally hits the one-screen theater in your town!! I grew up in a town like that and, even though I’ve lived in the Twin Cities for 25 years, I still feel myself being amazed at walking into the big 20-screen, stadium seating theaters we have now.


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

I've never seen Pretty Woman, and am unlikely to.


Neither have I, actually... I loathe Julia Roberts. It's just the first "happy ending" romantic movie that popped into my head.

Not that I'm defending this movie, but do we have to be happy all the time?

And I'm not being toooo critical, not having seen it. But yeah, happy once in a *while* would be nice. Not only for us (and especially the younger 'mos) but also to show straight society something that is rarely portrayed in a mainstream film -- happy, well-adjusted queers. Just to show that all the crap about "a dangerous lifestyle" as preached by the bigots like Jay Hill isn't always the way it is. And when it is sad and tragic and miserable, more often than not it's assholes like *him* who are the cause of much of that.

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The reviewer posted above blasted the movie for being another gay film about "self-hatred, repression and despair."

To me, that is too narrow a lens. Yes, there is repression and despair in it, but there is also connection, and great beauty and, yes, love. The movie's ending, while heart-breaking, also provides a glimmer of hope for the main character.

It was a sad movie, but not ONLY sad. It's not....sorrowful. Sorry, I can't describe it better than that.

Edited to add I meant the film reviewer, not a fellow babbler.

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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Towards the end, the main guest makes a blistering speech at the host - something about everything he has being "paid for" - "paid for"

That was Leonard Frey, a very talented actor who also gave a wonderful performance as the only student to enroll in "Ted Baxter's Famous Broadcasters School" on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

For a nice, light romantic comedy I recommend "Trick," where an inability to find a place to consommate a one-night stand leads two guys unexpectedly into the start of a romance.

It also features Tory Spelling in probably the least vomit-inducing performance of her life, babble included.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

...after it finally hits the one-screen theater in your town!!



The closest theatre of any kind is over an hour's drive away, and I doubt it will come to that one. I will prolly have to wait for it to come out on DVD.

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On a slightly lighter note, one other thing that really imprinted on me from Boys in the Band was that apartment. Wow! High up in mid-Manhattan, corner of building, with a wonderful open patio right at the corner - some exposed brick, I think. Just imagine what that looked like to a nice gril from the prairies in 1969 or 1970.

Man. I would still take that apartment, although I'd rather it weren't in Manhattan.


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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
It also features Tory Spelling in probably the least vomit-inducing performance of her life, babble included.

Such praise!


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posted 03 January 2006 03:43 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've seen at least one Pretty Woman fluffy-type movie with Matthew whatsit from Friends pretending to be gay, and his business partner Oliver Platt being really gay; it ends with the straight guy getting the girl and the gay one getting the goodlooking football player.
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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 07 January 2006 03:43 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Critic Gets Weird Over Brokeback

E! Online:

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The veteran Today show critic [Gene SHalit] has been taken to task by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation over his negative review of the gay cowboy western, in which he referred to Jake Gyllenhaal's character, Jack, as a "sexual predator" who "tracks Ennis down and coaxes him into sporadic trysts."
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"Shalit's bizarre characterization of Jack as a 'predator' and Ennis (Heath Ledger) as a victim reflects a fundamental lack of understanding about the central relationship in the film and about gay relationships in general," GLAAD said in a statement. "It seems highly doubtful that Shalit would similarly claim that Titanic's Jack (Leonardo DiCaprio) was a 'sexual predator' because he was pursuing a romantic relationship with Rose (Kate Winslet)."



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Reality. Bites.
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posted 07 January 2006 03:58 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
In an essay for a book written by relatives of gay people, Gene Shalit wrote lovingly about his gay son and his 17-year relationship.
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Andy (Andrew)
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posted 07 January 2006 04:39 PM      Profile for Andy (Andrew)   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am in the minority. It is creepy to me that the movie is as popular as it is. I don't interpret it as acceptance but voyeurism.
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posted 07 January 2006 05:39 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
In an essay for a book written by relatives of gay people, Gene Shalit wrote lovingly about his gay son and his 17-year relationship.

Here is that essay. And in a short preface to it, The Advocate is wondering aloud about the seeming inconsistency between the essay and Shailt's strange Brokeback review.


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posted 07 January 2006 09:26 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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posted by Andy (Andrew): I am in the minority. It is creepy to me that the movie is as popular as it is. I don't interpret it as acceptance but voyeurism.
Have you seen Brokeback Mountain? Perhaps you should, and form your own opinion before interpreting its popularity as mere voyeurism since the point of narrative movies is to cast the audience as peeping-toms, getting an inside peek into the lives and stories of other people.

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Gayle Ruzicka, president of the conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said not showing the film set an example for the people of Utah.

"I just think (pulling the show) tells the young people especially that maybe there is something wrong with this show," she said.


Yeah, it set an example, all right: An example of cowardice.


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Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by folker:
Here's a funny editorial from Larry David in the *New York Times*. Though he considers himself "pro-gay" he still can't bring himself to see the film:

http://tinyurl.com/agg7z

I suspect that the article is at least a bit tongue-in-cheek, but if by chance he's actually serious the guy definitely needs psychiatric help.


I had a thread on this but apparently it wasn't worthy of it's own spot. Anyway.

Looks like folker and others didn't get it, or my UK friend (who said Canadians have a funny sense of humour) was right. You 'suspect' the article was 'at least a bit tongue-in-cheek'?

Larry David is a COMEDY writer. His article was comedic. I thought it was hilarious- but then...


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posted 09 January 2006 09:43 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
Larry David is a COMEDY writer. His article was comedic. I thought it was hilarious- but then...

A response

Miami Herald:

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It strikes me that David's essay amounted to the smiley-face liberal version of what is being said more bluntly in conservative circles. 'Gay love story carries a high `ick' factor'' reads the headline of a story on the American Family Association website. It quotes a prediction that people will leave the theater vomiting.

How asinine, I think.
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So I went to see Brokeback. And I can report that it was as shattering and powerful as advertised. People were moved. Nobody threw up.

Which brings me back to that ick factor. I find myself wondering if this primeval revulsion doesn't speak less to our antipathy toward homosexuality than to our fears about masculinity.
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The amazing thing about Brokeback Mountain is its willingness to make that threat, directly and overtly.
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Ultimately, I think, that's what the Larry Davids among us sense. And why for them, Brokeback Mountain might be the most frightening movie ever made.



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posted 09 January 2006 10:07 PM      Profile for Khimia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Spoiler Alert- Both the guys in this film are Gay!! - I'm sorry I had to, I just couldn't help myself.
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Walker
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posted 09 January 2006 10:16 PM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Tape_342:
[QB][/QB]

(I haven't read the 'swearing on Babble' thread so excuse me in advance)

For fuck's sake!
Does NOBODY in the whole of North America get comedy anymore?? If so, Larry David, you can stay in my front room till you set yourself up in a place in Melbourne.
I swear, I'm close to giving up.


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posted 10 January 2006 01:12 AM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I dont want to see this movie. Its sad that its another "gay" movie about the tragic gay guy who has to die. Whatthefuckever.
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Walker
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posted 10 January 2006 01:19 AM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And you felt the need to tell the world that?
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posted 10 January 2006 01:35 AM      Profile for Raos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought it was a fantastic movie.
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TheStudent
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Amen. This movie was stunningly powerful. I went to see it with my dad, my step-mother and my sister and we all agreed it was easily the best movie of the year, and among the best movies in a very long time.
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It was a fairly good movie, but I think it had some flaws.

1. I think a lot of people are so titillated by the idea of these "gay cowboys" that its like you can't not like it. It is like "The English Patient" all over again.

2. I felt that the relationship between the two guys was not very well developed in the film. We are supposed to belioeve that they saw each other over a 20 year period - but we see almost nothing of what their love was all about - unless you think that sex alone is enough to make people see each other for 20 years.

3. As has been said by others, once again, it is the old stereotype that a gay relationship has to end in tragedy.


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Movies often end in tragedy, especially love stories. And I imagine that not very many homosexual relationships at the time were able to flourish very easily.
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posted 10 January 2006 02:40 AM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
And you felt the need to tell the world that?

Obviously, why else would i make a post?


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posted 10 January 2006 02:42 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I wonder how long it will take for "Bareback Mountain", the porn version, to come out.
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posted 10 January 2006 03:00 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Or Bareback Mountin'.
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posted 10 January 2006 05:28 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
This thread is long enough, don't'cha think? Since there's already another "Brokeback" thread on the go, why don't we all carry on discussion over there?

Thanks!

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