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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 21 December 2005 09:06 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bertuzzi in, Crosby out for Canadian Olympic Hockey Team

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Needless to say, the inclusion of Todd Bertuzzi will generate a lot of discussion, as will the decision to make few departures from the group of players who were featured in the ’02 Olympics and ’04 World Cup.


Bertuzzi is a thug who hasn't even begun to atone for his assault on Steve Moore. No way he should represent Canada at the Olympic level.

[ 21 December 2005: Message edited by: JimmyBrogan ]


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Yabbut, he WAs bypassed in the last two world cups and he IS the best power forward in the game now - when he's on his game that is. Real controversy is why young superstars like Crosby are out, while minor stars like Brad Richards and Shane Doan make the cut again. And gawd knows HOw Adam Foote keeps beating out superior D-men for Team Canada. Must be that old boys network again.
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posted 21 December 2005 10:24 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The scuttlebutt on Sid the Kid is that he's not much of a team guy.

I believe it; after Ed Olczyk got fired in Pittsburgh, the wee lad said, "It was time for a change."

I guess it isn't Crosby's time to be in the Olympics.


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posted 21 December 2005 10:56 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
The scuttlebutt on Sid the Kid is that he's not much of a team guy.

I believe it; after Ed Olczyk got fired in Pittsburgh, the wee lad said, "It was time for a change."


I don't think so. Therrien is as hardnosed a coach as they come. If it was about keeping Crosby happy, they would have stuck with Eddie O., who apparently didn't believe in doing drills in practice.

I probably wouldn't have put Crosby on the team either. I think the real travesty is leaving Phaneuf, Staal and Spezza off.

And, I agree with Jimmy on Bertuzzi (no one should be surprised by that).


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posted 21 December 2005 11:22 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think having Bertuzzi is a plus but the rest of the line up is (mostly) way too old. Crosby would have been a nice addition to show case his chops on an international level. Hell, the young girls love him and the NHL may even draw in new fans.
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posted 21 December 2005 11:30 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yup some of the older guys should have given way to rising stars like Spezza, Staal and Phaneuf, but I still think big Bert will prove his worth and Crosby's just too much of a marquee talent to ignore, even if he is a bit immature yet. I'd also say McCabe should have been on the regular roster, way he's been playing, but I wouldn't want to look like I'm favouring TO.
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I don't know about McCabe, his defense is just a little bit suspect for me. I could have seen him as the sixth defenceman, but alternate works for me too.

Doan's just on there as a nepotism thing, because he plays for Gretzky in Phoenix.


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posted 21 December 2005 11:45 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don't think so. Therrien is as hardnosed a coach as they come. If it was about keeping Crosby happy, they would have stuck with Eddie O., who apparently didn't believe in doing drills in practice.

I don't know which non sequitur to address here first, so I'll let 'em all slide.


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2-3 THINGS:

** pls. everyone above who has a favourite player to add to the team: tell us exactly who your cut(s) would be, easier said than done;
I would put Shanahan in, but dunno who I would dump, and Richards is part of that Tampa line, so no go;
good analysis of picks in Globe:
http://tinyurl.com/bl77f

** one more time: a Babble sports page might be useful (an issue like Bertuzzi, discussed to death elsewhere, might be shown in a different angle at a political board like this), not eat up Kulchur space and allow us to discuss sports from a pro-sports viewpoint;

** go Canada: I will be in Turin with Geneva Jr for the doubleheader Feb. 16th: Russia-Sweden, then Canada vs... Germany. I know I know, but that is what was available.

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Let the second-guessing begin!!

Here's my list of valuable omissions:

Eric Staal - The taxi squad??? This guy is the 2nd leading scorer (amongst Canadians) in the league, behind only Joe Thornton, and tied with Heatley and Spezza. Which leads me to...

Jason Spezza - I won't bother to repeat myself.

Marc Savard - The two Atlanta games I saw this season, he was a force. Plus, he gets a lot of points.

Brendan Shanahan - He's playing as well as ever. Not seeing him on the squad surprises me.

Sidney Crosby - 1 point behind Ovechkin, but several points ahead of some of the other players who made the team. Also, this is the player you want in any game that comes down to a shootout.

Paul Kariya - Mr. International. He is the only reason anyone knows there's a team in Nashville.

Like The Great One said, Canada could field two competetive squads this year.


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posted 22 December 2005 11:45 AM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aside from being a thug with a history of taking stupid untimely penalties (not a good thing in the single elimination medal round) Bertuzzi is also a notorious diver (as the TV commentator remarked, he goes down awfully easy for a big guy).
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posted 22 December 2005 01:41 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Canadian Olympic Committee has announced it will "review" the travesty of Hockey Canada's selection of Bertuzzi.
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Despite being raised in a hockey family I rarely watch the sport anymore. I did watch Bertuzzi assault Moore on the ice though, and I definitely do not think someone with so little respect for the sport belongs at the Olympics.
The NHL is a professional league and sportsmanship is obviously not the top priority but the Olympic games falls into a different category, at least for me. Athletes at the games are representing the rest of us, the sport is the main focus and all of the things that come with the sport - like fair play for instance.
In my opinion players like Bertuzzi have no sport.

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Dany Heatley pleaded guitly to vehicular homicide and Bertuzzi pleaded guilty to assault. Both already faced justice and both earned a spot on the Olympic team. I suppose if anyone deserves to be passed over, it's the player that killed a guy. But since we didn't see Dan Snyder body smashed 1,000 times on TV it's not as bad as Bertuzzi. God damn eastern bias.
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posted 22 December 2005 03:08 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heatley's actions did not take place on the ice. He's accepted responsibility for his actions. He's been forgiven by Snyder's family. There's really no comparison.
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posted 22 December 2005 03:11 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Heatley's actions did not take place on the ice. He's accepted responsibility for his actions. He's been forgiven by Snyder's family. There's really no comparison.

Are you saying killing someone is less of a crime than sucker punching someone?


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posted 22 December 2005 03:16 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Heatley's actions did not take place on the ice.

Does that make it better or worse?
I don't think anyone's ever argued that Bertuzzi would have gone and bashed someone up *off* the ice.


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posted 22 December 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
Are you saying killing someone is less of a crime than sucker punching someone?

Are you twisting yourself in cortortions to make it look like I am?


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posted 22 December 2005 03:39 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Simply stating the facts Scott.

Given that both players have faced the courts and/or league/team discipline, have 'served their time' and have accepted responsibility for their actions it is all water under the bridge.

Gretzky, one of the greatest sportsman in the game and had a big say in the selection of both Bertuzzi and Heatly I think that speaks volumes about the league and players wanting to put all that behind them, select the best players and go on to win gold.


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posted 22 December 2005 03:44 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The other difference between Heatley's actions and Bertuzzi is that Bertuzzi's were intentional.
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There was recently a scandal concerning the Mexican Olympic Team. It turned out that a sponsor (I think it was Adidas) did not want a certain player on the team because he was too ugly.

They felt that the team needed a more handsome bloke in his position, to increase the team's allure and ability to sells sport-shoes.

So, the Team buckled, and gave a really handsome player the spot.

I would say that Sidney Crosby is WAY more handsome than Todd Bertuzzi.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3737/photos

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/bertuzzi_todd041222a.jpg

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quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
I would say that Sidney Crosby is WAY more handsome than Scott Bertuzzi.

Hey!


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posted 22 December 2005 03:53 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But I admit that Scott Piatkowski's opinion is more weighty than mine on this topic.
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posted 22 December 2005 04:19 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, since your PM mailbox is full...

I was referring to the fact that you called him "Scott Bertuzzi".


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posted 22 December 2005 04:35 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No way. Never said that.
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Phooy. Dany "intended" to drive way too fast and put the lives of his passenger, pedestrians and other drivers at risk. In fact, someone did die. Reckless disregard = moral culpability.

Bertuzzi sucker punched a player. I believe he intended to hurt Steve but not cripple him. Todd is also morally culpable.

Add: Spezza, Staal, Kariya, Shanahan.
Delete: Doan, Draper, Smyth, St. Louis (who needs a checking line - fight fire with fire)


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BTW, it's great fun for use to second guess Hockey Canada's selection, but if the Canadian Olympic Committee messes with their selections I suggest management and the players walk.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
The other difference between Heatley's actions and Bertuzzi is that Bertuzzi's were intentional.

Ha! Intent has little to do with it.

Booze + Speed = death

Revenge + Sucker punch = early end to career

Death ≠ Early end to career

Moore has a chance to come back to play hockey and he gets to live his life.

Snyder has bugs eating him. He will never get to do all the things in life most people desire.

On the ice or off, both are horrible crimes. Isn't ironic how the perp who killed some one recieved less punishment that the perp who injured someone?


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posted 22 December 2005 05:17 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bertuzzi selection for Olympics gets second look

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Updated Thu. Dec. 22 2005 3:35 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

The controversial decision to include Todd Bertuzzi on Canada's Olympic hockey squad is being scrutinized by the Canadian Olympic Committee (COC) Thursday afternoon.

Bertuzzi, long a favourite of the Wayne Gretzky-led braintrust that chooses Team Canada, could still be barred from the Turin Olympics in February if the COC decides to exercise its final authority on who represents Canada.

Hockey Canada's Bob Nicholson had confirmed to The Globe and Mail that the COC had contacted him with its concerns over Bertuzzi as well as Shane Doan and Dany Heatley, who were also named to the team on Wednesday.



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BC NDPer wrote:

I believe he intended to hurt Steve but not cripple him.


That's a mighty discerning pair of eyes there.

Were they discerning enough to see Bertuzzi's tears at his 'apology' newsconference as resulting from regrets over the devastation to his own career and not because he felt remorse over nearly killing Moore?

[ 22 December 2005: Message edited by: JimmyBrogan ]


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Bertuzzi approved to play at Games


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Dec. 22, 2005. 06:56 PM

RANDY STARKMAN
STAFF REPORTER


The Canadian Olympic Committee has approved the roster Hockey Canada put forward for the 2006 Turin Olympics - including controversial choice Todd Bertuzzi.


The Star has learned that the committee of athletes, coaches and officials did not attempt to reject any of the players nominated during a four-hour conference call Thursday.


They felt they had no right to challenge Bertuzzi - despite his vicious attack on Colorado's Steve Moore - because any of the sections in the charter pertaining to violence or poor sportsmanship was too broard.


Gutless.


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Yukoner, I think intentions do matter, but your point about consequences is very true too.

Guys like JimmyBrogan who vilify Todd but give Dany a free pass just don't get it.


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Add Paul Kariya.

That is all.


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I have to take issue with anyone who claims Bertuzzi accepted repsonsibility for what he did to Moore.

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"Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there. I had no intention of hurting you. I feel awful for what transpired."

"What happened" and "what transpired" not "what I did."

"I had no intention of hurting you," like he was unaware of the potential consequenses of sucker punching someone and piledriving them into the ice.

Responsibility, my ass.


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I think everyone is ignoring that fact that Bertuzzi is not that great of a player.

He's currently 44th in points, and without Naslund around he wouldn't even be that close.

He's not much of a team inspiration, spending most of his time scowling and grumpy.

When he played with the Canucks throught the playoffs, and when he was suspended through the playoffs, the outcome for Vancouver didn't change.

I suspect the reason he was chosen was specifically because he has a reputation for causing injury to other players. There certainly is nothing in his play that suggests he should have been picked over the 43 others who have more points than he does.


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Um, I'm not that big a fan of Bertuzzi, but I have to wonder ... would you really pick a team by simply taking the top 20 off the points list?
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What cracked the guys neck? Bert or the combined weight of the avalanche team that flopped on top of him?
Everyone knows that he did not go out meaning to do that. He just wanted to drop the gloves and do the enforcer thing.
Besides I did not see anybody complain at the promotional interview before the event.
You know, the one where bertuzi went on, no doubt with the management approval to say that they were going to beat up moore in that game?
You guys didnt complain, the avalanche didnt complain and the audience was probably a lot bigger because of your lust for blood.
(Just like wwe or whatever it is called now).
And teams STILL have tough players to beat up opponents that attack their stars. And had them before the bertuzi thing.
It is nutty that people are still bitching about an accident.
Most times someone gets "hit" in hockey, there is as much intent to hurt as Bertuzi showed.
Anyone see Chang get floored in mid ice recently?
Brutal, and to my mind, sneaky too. Both guys going, what 25 miles per hour? SMACK And one totally unprepared for the inpact? Nice way to prove how manly you are. I have no idea why you glory in "great hits". Clearly, to the guy on the recieving end, in a different sport, they would be called "sucker hits" at least a third of the time.
Chang didnt saw it coming, had absolutely no idea, least Moore knew bertuzi was after him (and the whole vancouver team) from earlier when he hurt the vancouver player and destroyed their cup chances.

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What cracked the guys neck? Bert or the combined weight of the avalanche team that flopped on top of him?

Uh...Bertuzzi. That much is pretty obvious from the tape, as Moore was already down and out when the Avalance players came in.

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Everyone knows that he did not go out meaning to do that. He just wanted to drop the gloves and do the enforcer thing.

He asked, Moore declined (having already fought Brad May) and that should have been the end of it. There's no doubt that Bertuzzi intended to sucker punch Moore. After all: he did it.

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Besides I did not see anybody complain at the promotional interview before the event.
You know, the one where bertuzi went on, no doubt with the management approval to say that they were going to beat up moore in that game?
You guys didnt complain, the avalanche didnt complain and the audience was probably a lot bigger because of your lust for blood.

Uh yeah. May was forced to withdraw his "bounty" comments. And if you asked anyone who gave a crap about sportsmanship at the time, they would have said that such b.s. has no place in the game.

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It is nutty that people are still bitching about an accident.

You know what's nutty? That you'd call a deliberate, premeditated mugging an "accident" Like Bertuzzi's arm flew up of its own volition to cold cock the guy.

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Most times someone gets "hit" in hockey, there is as much intent to hurt as Bertuzi showed.
Anyone see Chang get floored in mid ice recently?
Brutal, and to my mind, sneaky too. Both guys going, what 25 miles per hour? SMACK And one totally unprepared for the inpact? Nice way to prove how manly you are. I have no idea why you glory in "great hits". Clearly, to the guy on the recieving end, in a different sport, they would be called "sucker hits" at least a third of the time.

Open ice hits are a part of the game. Punches to the face from behind are not.

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From: Victoria Bc |

That explains it.

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Ok, whatever. So, you are saying that if someone had diliberately hit him like park got hit and his neck snapped, it would have been fine?
It conforms to your code so it is accidental in that case?
But in the eyes of the law, what is the dif?
Who expects to break a neck with a punch from any angle?
And who says one fight per player per game?

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quote:
Originally posted by BC NDPer:
Yukoner, I think intentions do matter, but your point about consequences is very true too.

Guys like JimmyBrogan who vilify Todd but give Dany a free pass just don't get it.


True, I hope when Canada wins the Gold they demand it be returned because Bertuzzi will be involved in getting it. I mean really folks, it would be tainted right? If we're going to be hysterical about things and not move on, we may as well do it right.


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quote:
Originally posted by retread:
Um, I'm not that big a fan of Bertuzzi, but I have to wonder ... would you really pick a team by simply taking the top 20 off the points list?

I think the point was that Bertuzzi is not that great of a player. You should pick the players who will do the most for the team.

Bertuzzi does little for Vancouver, and I suspect his sulleness is more detrimental to team spirit than his play is good.

Given the negatives of having him on the team, it would take a pretty big positive in terms of point performance to overcome that. Bertuzzi does't have that.

If I was picking a team, I would first be looking for those players who were likely to be called their teams 'most valuable player', regardless of their point standings. Bertuzzi would definitely not qualify under those terms.

Next I would be looking for forwards who were at the top of the points list. Again, Bertuzzi isn't there.

I believe he was chosen specifically because he has injured a number of players over the years. The intimidation factor is the only one in his favour.

At the same time, Bertuzzi isn't a scrapper, he's a bully. When someone finally does clean his clock, he'll be finished as a player.


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I promised myself I'd never get into another heated Bertuzzi debate so...I'll wait till Babble returns to a computer nearest to me.

On a more important point, I checked out the selected rosters for the other teams and I'm sure fanatics in other puck worshipping lands are saying "where's Samsonov? how could they pass on Nylander again? and where the heck is...well, why is Chris Chelios still among our best at age 43"?? Didn't mean to imply that the Canadian choices weren't all good players in their own right (I even liked D-specialist Zamuner in 98) and I'm sure they'll play their hearts out, it's just that certain elite players always seem to get passed over while other more questionable choices keep being treated as if they're Gretzky level untouchables.

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: Erik the Red ]


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin:
Add Paul Kariya.
That is all.

And I agree, Kariya is one older guy who shouldn't have been overlooked. He's been among the very best wingers in the game for the last ten years and he's proving he still is in Nashville. Another nineties star who turned out better than Lindros.

I don't know about McCabe, his defense is just a little bit suspect for me. I could have seen him as the sixth defenceman, but alternate works for me too.

Well, Jovanovski is still known for making unnecesary gaffes too but everyone still treats him like a superstar out here. Matthias Ohlund is actually a more dependable all around defender but doesn't get half the good press. Maybe cause he doesn't hit as hard, maybe just cuz he's not a "real" Canuck.


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