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jeff house
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posted 03 June 2006 01:45 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
His position on gay marriage implies that he does.

Here is what he said:

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In our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives. And in a free society, decisions about such a fundamental social institution as marriage should be made by the people -- not by the courts. [...]

Unfortunately, activist judges and some local officials have made an aggressive attempt to redefine marriage in recent years.... These court decisions could have an impact on our whole Nation....This national question requires a national solution, and on an issue of such profound importance, that solution should come from the people, not the courts.

An amendment to the Constitution is necessary because activist courts have left our Nation with no other choice. [...] Democracy, not court orders, should decide the future of marriage in America.


The Courts, of course, were the ones which struck down the law against interracial marriages. At the time, the same old blowhard nonsense about the courts was heard.

In reality, majorities will seldom care enough about minorities to insure that their rights will not be overridden whenever it is convenient.

Here's a summary of the US case, (well-named as Loving v. Virginia) striking down antimiscegenation laws, from way back in 1967.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia


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siren
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posted 03 June 2006 02:17 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Molly Ivins who, in addition to being a sparkling political commentator, attended some schools with Bush, frequently writes that he is not racist.

Much as i adore Ivins, it is clear that Bush uses racism to push his political goals. So what difference does it make if he is actually a bigoted bastard or cynically using race or any other divisive issue to push his agenda?

As I recall many of the arguments against "miscegenation" have been recycled for gay marriage; it's unnatural, it threatens the integrity of (white) society, it's written against in the Bible, etc. If it works, use it.

Consider Harper's horror at the suggestion that gay marriage was an issue of human rights. He referred to the suggestion as "disgusting".

BTW -- I wonder what an "unactivated" court looks like. A boneless chicken ranch?


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500_Apples
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posted 03 June 2006 03:55 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bush's brother Jeb is in an interracial marriage so not likely. Bush Sr. Got into trouble in the eighties for referring to one of his grandchildren as "the little brown one." Personally I find that kind of cute.

If anyone's curious, the little brown one is George Prescott Bush I believe, and supposedly he goes by "P."


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posted 03 June 2006 04:41 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Bush's brother Jeb is in an interracial marriage

He married a human being?


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bigcitygal
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posted 07 June 2006 04:11 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by siren:

As I recall many of the arguments against "miscegenation" have been recycled for gay marriage; it's unnatural, it threatens the integrity of (white) society, it's written against in the Bible, etc. If it works, use it.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by 500_ApplesBush's brother Jeb is in an interracial marriage so not likely. Bush Sr. Got into trouble in the eighties for referring to one of his grandchildren as "the little brown one." Personally I find that kind of cute.

Actually, it's completely possible to have a mixed race relative and still be racist. Trust me on this one. The fact that you find a racist comment "cute" is a bit distrubing, tho.

And as a bit of trivia, my parents were married 4 years before the miscegenation laws in Canada were overturned.


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'lance
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posted 07 June 2006 08:19 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As for the anti-gay marriage amendment: that didn't take long.

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June 07,2006 | WASHINGTON -- A constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage was defeated as predicted in the Senate Wednesday, but supporters say new votes for the measure represent progress that gives the GOP's base reason to vote on Election Day.

And senators will have to answer for their positions, one sponsor of the amendment warned.

"People are going to be responsible for this vote," said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan. "We are making progress in America on defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman."

Indeed, the amendment was expected to gain as many as seven new votes from freshman supporters who were not members of the Senate when the amendment was last voted on in 2004.

"There's many of us who have not had an opportunity to debate and discuss this," said one of them, Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla.

The 49-48 vote fell 11 short of the 60 required to send the matter for an up-or-down tally by the full Senate. The amendment's failure was no surprise.



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500_Apples
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posted 07 June 2006 09:57 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dont know bigcitygal. The phrase "little brown one" strikes me as kind of affectionate.

It's possible of course, that I don't remember what the exact phrase is from memory and have instead mangled into something more benign.


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charlieM
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posted 07 June 2006 10:20 AM      Profile for charlieM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
I dont know bigcitygal. The phrase "little brown one" strikes me as kind of affectionate.

It's possible of course, that I don't remember what the exact phrase is from memory and have instead mangled into something more benign.


I agree with you, 'little brown one' would only be seen as offensively racist to an over sentsitive person, who is probably white. All the people in my highschool of Indian decent referred to themselves as B-Unit, kind of a parody of G-Unit.

As for the whole topic, he probably does have a problem with interracial marriage, but he probably realizes that it is still contitutionally sound. You have to remember he is still part of a older cohort, with conservative values. I guarantee the majority of senior citizens (anywhere in the world) have a problem with interracial marriage (doesn't mean they are some sort of hate activists though).


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Lord Palmerston
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posted 07 June 2006 11:55 AM      Profile for Lord Palmerston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think W has a problem with interracial marriage. In fact, the Republicans these days want Latinos and Asians to marry white people. This way they can keep appealing to the backlash against blacks and not have to be concerned about the increasing diversity of the US.
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slimpikins
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posted 07 June 2006 12:04 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I somehow think that Republicans wouldn't have such a big problem with white male/ethnic female marriages as they would with ethnic male/white female ones.
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