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N.Beltov
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posted 30 October 2004 04:47 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A thread devoted to short quotes from a popular film. OK...some quotes from the revolting sequels...but keep it down to a minimum, OK?

In the end there can be only one.

"It's begun."


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posted 30 October 2004 04:48 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Connor: "I hate you."

Ramirez: "Good. That is a perfect way to start."


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posted 30 October 2004 08:27 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"A big man like you's not afraid of a little boom-boom?" - Connor McLeod

"Are you gonna shoot me with the 45 ... or turn off the tape?" - Connor MacLeod

"Hi, I'm Candy." - Candy
"Of course you are." - Kurgan

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posted 30 October 2004 09:29 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
MacLeod (Christophe Lambert): "Ramirez, you old 'aggis"

Ramirez (Sean Connery): "What is haggis?"

Macleod: "Eet eez ze graines, stuffed eento ze stomach of a sheep."

Ramirez: "Och! Soounds revolting!"

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posted 31 October 2004 06:29 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I need to see this movie.
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posted 31 October 2004 10:23 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(Breaking his own rule...)Avoid the sequels, skdadl. They get progressively worse. I went to see the first sequel...and the audience, spontaneously, burst out into.....disgruntled booing at the end of the film.

But the original is kinda amusing. Clancy Brown plays "The Kirgan", a perfect warrier that becomes the nemesis of the protagonist, Connor MacLeod. The Kirgan has some of the best lines in the film.

Kirgan: Castagir is gone. Only you and I remain.
MacLeod: Nice to see you Kirgan. Who cuts your hair?
K: I am in disguise. That way, no one will recognize me.
M: I do.
K: (shrugs his shoulders indifferently)
M: What do you want?
K: Your head.

and so it goes. The two immortals trade barbs, at the end of which the Kirgan quotes Neil Young....

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."

The film, however, has many weaknesses that simply get exaggerated in the sequels until the series turns into a caricature of itself. Retch!


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posted 31 October 2004 10:34 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A shy correspondent has just informed me that the soundtrack is by Queen! I must see this movie!
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posted 31 October 2004 11:53 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[intrusion]
Sorry to butt in, but...

Skdadl, once you have seen the movie, you will have to own the soundtrack— you will fall in love with the song Who Wants To Live Forever at the *very* least— a mournful love song that will make you blubber (fair warning!). And now, we return you to your regularly scheduled thread
[/intrusion]


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posted 31 October 2004 12:18 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Warning, skdadl! The original Highlander is a godd film. A unique concept, and well crafted (IMO). However:

The Scotsman is played by a Frenchman.
The Spaniard is played by a Scotsman.
The Cossack (Kirgan) is played by an American.

Let's just say that there's a bit of fun with accents in the film.


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posted 31 October 2004 12:58 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is chopped liver one of the ingredients in haggis?
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posted 31 October 2004 01:02 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Liver, lights (lungs), and heart, Mr Bong.

All chopped up. With lots of other ground lamb ... well, sheep of some vintage, perhaps. And lots of pepper! Maybe anchovies! (That's called Royal Haggis.)


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posted 31 October 2004 01:02 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haggis is like the ugly baby of gastronomy, isn't it?
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posted 31 October 2004 01:04 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Och, nouuuuuuu!

Haggis is delish. I forgot to mention the oatmeal, though.

It is super served with chutney, although it annoys the Scottish in-laws when I say that.


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posted 31 October 2004 01:06 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remain unconvinced. I think it's more in line with the "I dare you to eat this" tradition of cookery.

It's just me. I don't eat variety meats to save my life.


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posted 31 October 2004 01:20 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hinterland, it is not a "variety meat."

It is a savoury pudding. You can make it in a pudding bowl.

You don't have to use the sheep's stomach. Those are so seldom available in downtown Toronto anyway.


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posted 31 October 2004 01:21 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I mean what goes into it. Lungs, heart, liver...I don't eat any of those things, no matter how dolled up.
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posted 31 October 2004 01:24 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You don't like liver? Even goose liver?

I mean, the lights and heart are barely noticeable. But the liver matters. Think of it as red butter, Hinter, love.


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posted 31 October 2004 01:30 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can handle liver pâté, because you eat it in such small amounts. But other than that, no. I have a very good sense of taste, and I can taste even small amounts of iron, which characterises organ meats, and which I find unpleasant. Same with game. I can taste the slightest "gaminess", which puts me off, so I don't eat venison, rabbit, partridge, even quail (ugh!).
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posted 31 October 2004 01:32 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So much for wondering in the desert with the Israelites, eh, Hinterland?
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posted 31 October 2004 01:36 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Last time I was in a desert with Israelis, we went to McDonald's.
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Hinterland, when you say "organ meats," maybe you are thinking more of those things we call sweetbreads (hah!), which as I recall are more, ah, hormonal -- like the thyroid, eg.

I don't eat those either. And they aren't in the haggis.

I once watched a plastic surgeon of my acquaintance do an almost sadistically precise dissection of a plate of sweetbreads at the King Eddy here. He even ate them after that, with great relish. What can I say? People are different.


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Well, what I mean is stuff like liver, heart, lungs, which you said are in Haggis, aren't they?

I thought "variety meats" covers everything other than meat from muscle tissue, but maybe I'm wrong. Muscle is the only meat I eat.

Wait, that didn't come out right...


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posted 31 October 2004 02:57 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quotes dammit, quotes!

Ramirez: "Crude and slow Clansman. Your attack was no better than that of a clumsy child."

another pearl.....(in the voice of Sean Connery: )
Ramirez: "Never overextend your thrust. You're vulnerable and...(giving Connor a well-deserved hip-throw)...off balance.
Heather: < snicker-snicker >

Ahhh...much better.

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I was wrong: thymus, not thyroid -- but apparently there are two separate thymuses, so that's plenty.

I still think that a looser definition of sweetbreads includes, eg, parts of the brain, and a few other, well, organs.


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posted 31 October 2004 03:04 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
Well, what I mean is stuff like liver, heart, lungs, which you said are in Haggis, aren't they?

I thought "variety meats" covers everything other than meat from muscle tissue, but maybe I'm wrong.


That's probably right. Sounds right. But the sweetbreads are distinct from the more plain and simple, obvious organs, like the liver, lights, and heart.

I mean, Hinterland: every culture has at some point eaten the heart of its enemies, no?

quote:

Muscle is the only meat I eat.

Well. skdadl is shocked.

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quote:
I mean, Hinterland: every culture has at some point eaten the heart of its enemies, no?

Yes. I distinctly remember eating the heart of one of my enemies as a child. It was my little sister's Miniature Holly Hobby - Valentine edition. It was a candy heart.

Sorry, Beltov...I really should see this movie, I guess.


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posted 31 October 2004 03:26 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eating the heart of your enemy, or eating organs in general seems somehow to be a curiously appropriate discussion on this thread. Let me explain.

The Highlander has had, for as long as I can remember, a cult following that suited the "Republic Pictures" crowd that made the film in the first place. Let me put it this way.....the film is pathologically anti-communist or anti-anything remotely 'Slavic'. These groups are depicted as organ-eating, heart-ripping, child-hurting, mean-spiritied s.o.b.'s this side of the Pecotes.....

So, talkin' 'bout guts is OK.


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posted 31 October 2004 04:06 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
Sorry, Beltov...I really should see this movie, I guess.

ANOTHER ONE?!?!

Get thee to a Blockbuster, Hinterland! You don't know what you're missing!


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posted 31 October 2004 04:20 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
ANOTHER ONE?!?!

Er...um...


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posted 31 October 2004 04:20 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(narrator Sean Connery speaks.....)From the dawn of time we came,
moving down
through
the
centuries,

living many secret lives

struggling to reach the time
of the gathering
when the few who remain
will battle to the last.


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posted 31 October 2004 04:21 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No one has ever known we were among you.

Until now.


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quote:
Get thee to a Blockbuster, Hinterland! You don't know what you're missing!

Isn't this one of those movies were everyone is half-dressed, and it's really cold and people are trampling through the wet muck and everything smells like wood smoke?

It reminds me too much of my childhood.


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posted 31 October 2004 04:30 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You got it. Cold steel in the chops.

rather
irksomely,
loathesomely
painful.


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posted 31 October 2004 05:51 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never read the book, though someone described the basic premise; but I thought the movie was stupid. I mean a bunch of supermen have to fight over the centuries until there is just one left; well who says it has to be that way? Who set the rules and how did anybody learn about them in the first place? Women are much more intelligent about these things; remember how Buffy went back and kicked the butts of the guys that started the slayer thing, and then changed the rules to suit herself.

That said, I saw the movie on TV and didn't watch it very carefully. Harry Potter is much more fun.


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posted 31 October 2004 05:55 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's the beheadings. They're so.....final.

But the one-liners are just classic. Perhaps the film is best viewed as a self-parody. Certainly the sequels were vile. Vile!


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MacLeod: "I'm Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod, I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnan on the shores of Loch Shiel. And I am immortal."
Brenda: "Well ... we all have our little problems."

MacLeod: "Whatever you say, Jack. You're the master race."

Heather: "My beautiful man, my husband."
MacLeod: "I am that, my love."
Heather: "I have never ... really known ..."
MacLeod: "What?"
Heather: "Why you stayed."
MacLeod: "Because I love you now as much as the day I first met you."
Heather: "And I love you (cries) I don't want to die. I want to stay with you forever."
MacLeod: "I want that, too."
Heather: "Will you do seomething for me, Connor?"
MacLeod: " What, blossom?"
Heather: "In the years to come, would you light a candle and remember me on my birthday?"
MacLeod: "Aye blossom, I will."

i tear up at this point, despite seeing the film about 10 times.

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posted 31 October 2004 06:38 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...and in the voice of the late Freddy Mercury...

"There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams yet slips away
from us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever....?

There's no chance for us
It's all decided for us
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?

Who dares to love forever?
When love must die

But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today

Who waits forever anyway?"

(Words and music by Brian May)


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quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
i tear up at this point, despite seeing the film about 10 times.

Yaaa. Me too. It's partly that song, too...


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I wrote those lyrics into a card to a girlfriend I was breaking up with. The shoe fit.
(She didn't.)


And now some more dialogue, from memory.....

Castagir: "Time's almost caught us old friend."
Connor: "Do you think we should go on?"
C:I think we should have a party.
Connor: "Oh ...no. I remember the last time we had a party. It was ...1783."
C: Oh yea. Your famous duel on Boston Common.

........(scene fades to Boston Common, 1783)....


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posted 31 October 2004 07:32 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The heavier blade Mr. Bassett, I implore you!
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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

Yaaa. Me too. It's partly that song, too...


Urp, me too.

Macleod's dialogue with the NYPD near the beginning of the film was pretty bad, and unquoteworthy, except that one copper who said "Don't move a muscle, pal, don't even breathe."


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You gave a card to someone to break up with them?

quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
I wrote those lyrics into a card to a girlfriend I was breaking up with. The shoe fit.
(She didn't.)




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Ramirez: "Greetings! I am Juan Sanchez Villa-Lobos Ramirez, Chief Metallurgist to King Philip II of Spain. (clicks heels) At your service."

the actor who played kastigir is now a surgeon on the british version of ER, "holby city".

some more trivia:

quote:
The Vietnam vet who tries to machine-gun Kurgan has the Queen song "Hammer to Fall" playing in his car.

The castle where Connor MacLeod lived is the same castle used for the interior shots for Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

The Masamune sword that Connor wields is not historically accurate in several ways. First, the Masamune swords (by the legends) are "katsujinken," swords to preserve life and protect. Yet Connor is using it as a "satsujinken," a sword merely for killing. By the legends, the Masamune blades would have resisted such attempts. Second, katana are always made in two parts (a core and the outer shell) so that the forces caused by rapidly changing the direction of the blade will not snap it. This sword is talked about as being folded steel, which would indicate that it is solid the whole way through. The hilt is also a wonderful dramatic piece, with no historical reason for existence. The grip on that sword lends itself to slipping out of one's hands if they are in the least bit wet.

Kurgan falls through several floors of castle and survives. Yet Ramirez accepts being decapitated, rather than jumping off the staircase and retrieving his sword.


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