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beibhnn
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posted 13 February 2006 02:38 PM      Profile for beibhnn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CBC just announced that This is Wonderland will be cancelled after the end of this season, as will Da Vinci and The Tournament. I admit to not caring too much about the end of Da Vinci (which I never got into) and The Tournament (which I thought was stupid) but to finish off Wonderland? It's one of the few genuinely entertaining shows on tv. My Wednesdays will be bleaker as of the end of March.

Boo to CBC for this silly decision.


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posted 13 February 2006 02:42 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I join you in the booing. Another great show down the tubes.
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posted 13 February 2006 02:50 PM      Profile for John_D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh no! Where will I get my regular doses of Cara Pifko now? Enquiring minds with silly celebrity crushes need to know!
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posted 13 February 2006 02:51 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. Da Vinci's City Hall flamed out even more quickly than its real-life inspiration, Larry Campbell's City Hall.
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posted 13 February 2006 03:02 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What? Boooo. Why does the CBC keep shooting itself in the leg? The one TV show I really missed when I moved to the You Ess is This Is Wonderland. It was amazing. It's kind like the Canadian version of cancelling Firefly.
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posted 13 February 2006 03:04 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That sucks. Two of those shows are my favourite disctractions (Davinci and Wonderland). The third, I won't cry over.
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posted 13 February 2006 03:29 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mandos:
What? Boooo. Why does the CBC keep shooting itself in the leg?

I'm a fan of the show, but the ratings were minuscule.


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beibhnn
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posted 13 February 2006 03:39 PM      Profile for beibhnn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Other than for hockey, does CBC ever have reasonable ratings. Bring back Wonderland! I'm almost righteously indignant enough to start a futile petition.
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posted 13 February 2006 03:54 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll miss DaVinci's City Hall. I was never a fan of Inquest, but really got absorbed by City Hall - not sure why.

Never got into This Is Wonderland, for a very simple reason - when it first premiered, I was working as duty counsel and while it wasn't exactly, erm, similar to my own experiences it was still a reminder of work.

Never did see The Tournament.

Clearly, this new breed of Canadian television was doomed to failure from the start. What the CBC needs is more shows about the late nineteenth/early twentieth century Maritimes.


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Fitz
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posted 13 February 2006 04:51 PM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you're a fan of any one of these shows, dash-off an e-mail to:

[email protected]
Executive Vice President, English Television

[email protected]
Creative Head of TV Arts and Entertainment

[email protected]
Executive Director of A & E programming for English Television

c/o the This is Wonderland forum

I notice that it's one of the day's busiest threads on the Globe website


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 13 February 2006 05:11 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the info. Here's what I've sent:
quote:
I want to add my voice to those protesting the cancellation of this fine show. A Canadian original, it is the most honest and compelling look at the legal justice system to ever grace the airwaves anywhere in the world. It reveals a profound truth to its audience - that most of those caught in the system are not evil, but rather victims - of circumstance, ill-fortune, or their own incompetence.

'This is Wonderland is refreshing, entertaining, and well-done in all aspects. I, for one, would miss it terribly.



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saskganesh
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posted 13 February 2006 05:58 PM      Profile for saskganesh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Da Vinci's City Hall was supposed to be a "one season" show.

I'm happier when shows end at their creative peak, rather than slide off into irrelevance. Less is sometimes more, as they say.


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posted 13 February 2006 06:02 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by beibhnn:
Other than for hockey, does CBC ever have reasonable ratings.

It used to.

At their peak, Air Farce and 22 minutes were getting ratings like Corner Gas, around 1.2 million viewers a week.

Wonderland was under 400 thousand.


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posted 13 February 2006 06:43 PM      Profile for AWd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The CBC is following the same rules as CHUM - eliminate all aspects of outside production. Only let salary-paid producers make new shows to control costs.

It's almost as if Znaimer is the new exec at CBC.


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posted 13 February 2006 06:55 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Next season on CPAC:

Da Vinci's Senate.

"Dammit! There's a cover-up going on here, and I'm going to get to the bottom of it, even if it means going all the way... ah, all the way to.... Um, who is the most powerful person in the Senate anyway?"

"Dunno... maybe the lady who runs the concession stand? That's some pretty wicked coffee she makes. I don't know how I'd get through the debates without it. But I think she's gone for the afternoon."

"Never mind."

[ 13 February 2006: Message edited by: obscurantist ]


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Fitz
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posted 13 February 2006 11:06 PM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeehaw! Nice to see more people up in arms about Da Vinci's and Wonderland than Dick Cheney and his premature.....
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posted 13 February 2006 11:16 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The CBC has reportedly ordered 13 episodes of Intelligence
Trauma teams are standing by.

Jokes aside, the pilot for "Intelligence" looked like Haddock had gotten extremely familiar with the pilot of "The Wire", HBO's series about, you know, gathering intelligence. Right down to settings, characters, and individual scenes. "The Wire" is one of the best on the tube, but relatively few watch it. Somebody's running out of ideas, methinks.


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posted 14 February 2006 01:09 AM      Profile for Euhemeros     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always thought that the scripts in Wonderland were a bit over the top (in a sense where the show drags and drags and drags and where the "over the topiness" gets annoyingly rediculous) and the acting was a bit lacking.

CBC needs a good purge in it's management and production ranks. My feeling is that the CBC trys to be "artsy", but it tries to be "artsy" so hard that it's just desperate. (I do like that 'zed' show, but I feel it could do without the commentary).

CBC Radio also needs a purge. I don't need 10 minute introduction to the Magic Flute or someone talking about their budding perrenials on the garden on their estate (the CBC seems very elitist in the Liberal millionare type). A one or two line introduction will do for Radio 2; I don't think the commentators empty words will add anything to the utter transcendence of some music.


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Fitz
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posted 14 February 2006 08:54 AM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Euhemeros:
CBC needs a good purge in it's management and production ranks. My feeling is that the CBC trys to be "artsy", but it tries to be "artsy" so hard that it's just desperate. (I do like that 'zed' show, but I feel it could do without the commentary).

Euhemeros,

Speaking as a sometime insider, comparatively there's precious few production ranks left to purge. The Corpse has to be the most over-managed outfit I've ever run into with various and sundry "managers" being most active in protecting their perceived turf. I'd even go so far as to describe it as a Dilbert cartoon writ large (if that's possible). If there's any segment desperately in need of a thorough winnowing, it's the middle-management section of the Corpse.

As for your "artsy" comment, I'd say you're way off base. Yes, the Corpse includes art in its schedule unlike Global or CTV. But that hardly constitutes being artsy. You going to accuse "This Hour Has 22 Minutes", "Hatching, Matching & Dispatching", "The Fifth Estate", et al of being artsy?


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Awww, I really like Wonderland. It's so humane. I didn't know until recently that the Mental Health Court (known as Court 102) in Toronto is an experiment. One other place (in New Brunswick maybe) is also trying it. Trying to keep people out of the criminal justice system seems so, I dunno, Canadian.

Two recent episodes in a row ended in dancing -- one very joyous African one at the same-sex wedding of one of the prosecutors, one by the young East Indian lawyer being drunk and silly. I was hoping that would become a signature. Dancing at the end of each segment.


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posted 14 February 2006 09:46 AM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
Mental Health Court (known as Court 102) in Toronto is an experiment. One other place (in New Brunswick maybe) is also trying it.

(aside: Yes, it's in Saint John.)


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posted 14 February 2006 09:51 AM      Profile for no1important   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well that sucks as I liked Davinci and This is Wonderland. Hopefully they can find a couple new Drama's to replace them
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posted 14 February 2006 11:33 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The first season of This Is Wonderland was fantastic. However, it wasn't promoted as heavily as it should have been, and it didn't get the ratings numbers CBC would have liked. Meanwhile, a little comedy set on the prairies, Corner Gas, was getting the biggest audience numbers in the country. Bigger, even, than most American offerings. So the next season, in addition to piloting a number of sitcoms, there were several changes to the characters and storyline of This Is Wonderland -- in other words, they got freaked and fucked it all up, thereby losing a chunk of the viewers they had.

I knew, after seeing the season premiere, that This Is Wonderland would be canceled.


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CTV has a huge advantage over CBC (and Global for that matter) in being able to promote its home-grown shows on popular American shows. They also own important specialty channels like Discovery, Comedy and TSN that produce original programming and attract audiences.

If you don't already watch CBC programming, you're not likely to sample any of their new shows because you'll never hear about them.


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quote:
As for your "artsy" comment, I'd say you're way off base. Yes, the Corpse includes art in its schedule unlike Global or CTV. But that hardly constitutes being artsy. You going to accuse "This Hour Has 22 Minutes", "Hatching, Matching & Dispatching", "The Fifth Estate", et al of being artsy?

I was thinking more about radio when I made the artsy comment, but I'll admit that I'm probably taking an unfair sample of CBC programming.


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posted 14 February 2006 05:27 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is horrible news, just one more instance of the long slide of television into inane programming that panders to basest sentiments of viewers. The Globe article was right on the mark that intelligent programming is falling to the kind of crap that you find on CTV or Global.
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Da vinci 'was' one of our favorites before it got a little too cliche with an 'enlightened' mayor versus the social dinosaurs.

How could that show have any ratings? build audience? There were secondary plot lines going 2 years and anyone sitting down new to the show would go 'what?'...'who's that?'. Even when we followed the show we kept asking eachother 'what happened to Brian?...then he'd pop up 3 episodes later.

I'd give the first couple years of the show an A plus. I like Leo, Nick, sleezy Brian and the gang. This year we watched a couple episodes then flipped the channel to 'the Outer Limits' (also filmed in Vancouver area).


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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
CTV has a huge advantage over CBC (and Global for that matter) in being able to promote its home-grown shows on popular American shows. They also own important specialty channels like Discovery, Comedy and TSN that produce original programming and attract audiences.

If you don't already watch CBC programming, you're not likely to sample any of their new shows because you'll never hear about them.


That's true, but you would be surprised how difficult it can be to get them to promote home-grown shows. Corner Gas had significant numbers in its first few episodes before getting as big a plug as they obviously do now, IIRC.

I still think they messed TIW up considerably in the hopes that they could generate quicker increases in audience share. Which is a pity, because it so seldom works.

[ 14 February 2006: Message edited by: Zoot ]


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CBC management forced an unnecessary work stoppage and is now blaming that for loss of viewers. Had they just settled fairly, this would never have happened. Wonderland is an example of CanTV at its best...never find it in the US. We need to tell CBC to keep Wonderland or we will fight to stop their funding. If they are just going to produce crap and cheap stuff, we may as well save our tax money and pay for satelite. Don't just sit complaining! We need to get on our fingers and let CBC know they have to listen to us.
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To have a competitive television industry, we must continue to produce our own television programs. Canadian series programming has been in sharp decline for the past five years. If it we keep going in that direction the only choice we may have remaining is whatever American shows our broadcasters end up buying from the U.S. In the sprit of David vs. Goliath, we have to fight with what we've got and give our Canadian television dramas a chance. Let's not let the CBC give up on our artists by cancelling what little we have left of Canadian series programming. George Walker, is one of Canada's most successful writers. His show, THIS IS WONDERLAND has consistently cast some of our finest Canadian actors in the many wonderful guest star roles he writes into each episode. Click on this link

http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVETIW/petition.html

to see what viewers are saying in support of the now cancelled series and show our talented Canadian writers and actors that you - the public - have a say in the kind of programming the CBC - our public broadcaster - decides to keep or trash by signing the petition.


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I think this probably has something to do with the selection of a new head of programming (Slawko Klymkiw leaving, Eva Czigler filling in, Kirstine Layfield being the eventual replacement).

A new programming head coming on board, looking to make her mark on the network. The numbers for TIW haven't been great as of late, so it probably seemed like the natural decision.

It's a real shame though.


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quote:
Originally posted by asterlake:
Da vinci 'was' one of our favorites before it got a little too cliche with an 'enlightened' mayor versus the social dinosaurs.

Funny, I never got that vibe from Da Vinci's City Hall. I mean, yeah, the Chief of Police is a royal dick (as he was in Inquest), but I'm finding myself less-than-sympathetic to DaVinci. He's well-intentioned, but his stubbornness and bull-headedness is getting him into trouble.


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Click on this link...to see what viewers are saying in support of the now cancelled series and show our talented Canadian writers and actors that you - the public - have a say in the kind of programming the CBC - our public broadcaster - decides to keep or trash by signing the petition.
Hundreds of thousands could sign that petition, and it would only prove that the ratings for "Wonderland" were accurate, and the decision to cancel it appropriate. If a show doesn't pull in a decent audience after x years of trying, what responsible broadcast exec is gonna hold on to it? It has nothing to do with the strike, and probably little to do with the inability of the CBC to advertise over multiple channels. The trouble was crummy numbers. Same with CTV's "The 11th Hour", which attracted award nominations and an insignificant audience. And what did they do to grab more attention? They tarted the show up with ridiculous melodrama, and of course it still floundered. The audience is always fickle; sometimes they're even right.

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In the case of Da Vinci and Wonderland.....
could it be that the real-life politicans and Justice system bureaucrats of Vancouver put pressure on CBC execs because they don't like seeing their police chief portrayed as a tin pot dictator who believes Vancouver is HIS CITY? Or that sitting judges and practicing lawyers may be as mentally and/or emotionally ill as their clients?

Or is it simply a knee-jerk reaction to portraying the people that populate the Downtown East Side and our courts are simply human beings, troubled, but human beings nontheless?

As for the tournamment, i love the idea of pointing out that there are a lot of petty and sleazy people involved in regional sports activities. Truth is often stanger than fiction.


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Don't know how many of you caught the series finale of TIW tonight but it certainly proved how short-sighted the decision to cancel was. It was the best episode of the series by far and Stursberg would've had a finished version on his desk when he cancelled the sucker.

All I can say is get rid of the SOB before he does any irrepairable damage to whats left of CBC Television.


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I started to watch, but found I could not really get interested, since I knew that the show did not get a chance to put together a true series finale. So I tuned in and out. I'll wait and get the DVDs (already have season 1).
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You're presuming that it'll come out in that format. Without the show on-air to act as advertising, you'd need as large, dedicated and vocal a fan-base as Family Guy or Arrested Development for that to happen. As much as I'd like to see that happen, I don't see it coming to pass.
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Befriend a CBC techie guy (or gal). An opportune meeting at a party may get you seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. Otherwise, you may be SOL for reliving the drama and humour of This is Wonderland.

Curse you CBC and the snarky response letter you sent to me about "hard decisions"!


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I don't get the reasoning. A broadcast exec is an SOB and should be sacked for canceling a show that never attracted much of an audience, although the network kept the show running for several years while the audience kept declining. (TIW averaged 376,000 viewers in season 3, down from mid-400's in season 2.)
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You'd have to be in touch with someone in the transmission tape library. Your average technical shmoe would'nt be anywhere near a copy. The Broadcast Centre's a pretty big operation.
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