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worker_drone
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posted 20 April 2006 06:12 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Go Neil! I'm dying to hear this one!

It's already got the neocons in an uproar. I've seen several stories on it on CNN, Fox News is complaining about it already, and several articles in the MSM are trying to dismiss it as a 'partisan' attack.

Neil Young to Release "metal folk" protest album

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posted 20 April 2006 08:58 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In his prairie wind movie, Neil towards the end sang a wonderful song about religion.
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posted 20 April 2006 09:37 PM      Profile for virge47        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neil Young writes a song that he thinks will make him money. One of his last songs was in support of the Iraq war. Now that he can't make anymore money with that song, the obvious choice was to put out something such as he just did.
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worker_drone
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posted 20 April 2006 10:03 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Which song was that virge? Are you thinking of "Let's Roll", about the flight 93 passengers? While I agree that by the time that song was written the Iraq war was already a done deal, there's no way Neil would have known that back in 2001.
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posted 21 April 2006 12:03 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by virge47:
Neil Young writes a song that he thinks will make him money....

Yeah, that's our Neil. Always following the latest commercial trend


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worker_drone
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posted 21 April 2006 02:13 AM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fox News is on the case!

quote:
Young, you may remember, said in a 2002 biography that while he draws the line at doing drugs he considers life-threatening, he remains addicted to marijuana, but tries not to smoke too much so as not to "set a bad example for the kids"


Wow, that's some pretty harsh dirt they've dug up on Neil. Nobody's going to pay attention to him now.

Veteran Rocker Neil Young's New Album Attacks President Bush

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The yodelling brakeman
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posted 21 April 2006 03:07 AM      Profile for The yodelling brakeman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I seem to recall that Neil was a huge Reagan supporter. Does anyone else recall this?
I respect NY's music generally, but that song about Flight 93 was shite!

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josh
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Yes, Young supported Reagan in '84, and can be rather protean. But this is the same person who skewered Nixon, and now two Bushes. As for commercialization, Ohio was released within a month of the Kent State massacre in 1970. But can anyone deny it was, and remains, a powerful song.
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posted 21 April 2006 08:16 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by virge47:
Neil Young writes a song that he thinks will make him money. One of his last songs was in support of the Iraq war. Now that he can't make anymore money with that song, the obvious choice was to put out something such as he just did.

That's pretty much my take on it too. But then, I'm SO not a Neil Young fan, so I'm probably biased.


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posted 21 April 2006 10:48 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think Young did write a song in support of the Iraq war. I know he did write a jingoist, militaristic anthem in the wake of 9/11.

Neil Young has also written many songs he knew would noy make him money. In particular, he produced three very non-commercial records in the 70's while in a dispute with his record compnay that was pressuring him to produce records in fullfillment of his contract.

He released, Time Fades Away, On The Beach and Tonight's The Night. None succeeded commercially but contain some of his best music, IMO.

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I don't give weight to what a millionaire entertainer's take on a social issue is whether they are on the left or the right. Neil Young, Mickey Mouse or Paul MCartney. I'd rather listen to the views Joe at the bikeshop who fixes our mountain bikes.

"Celebrities say..." YAWN!


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GT Snowracer
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posted 21 April 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for GT Snowracer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neil kicks ass

Go Go Grand Daddy Grunge!!!

GT


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worker_drone
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posted 21 April 2006 01:36 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I respect NY's music generally, but that song about Flight 93 was shite!

Yeah, that was a pretty bad song. Neil has his share of clunkers.

I typically don't care what "celebrities" have to say. But I do respect what artists have to say. And Neil's an artist.


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koan brothers
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posted 21 April 2006 06:42 PM      Profile for koan brothers     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neil Young interview
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otter
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posted 21 April 2006 07:55 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if an artist gives voice to a thought that is becoming more and more common amongst the people it seems to be childishly petulant to criticize him for it whether he is motivated by self-interest or not.
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mayakovsky
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posted 21 April 2006 08:27 PM      Profile for mayakovsky     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'Lets Roll' doesn't strike me as militaristic but rather Young trying to imagine the thoughts of someone in that situation. 'Ohio' for me is the song that encapsulates brilliantly the anger and fear of the Vietnam generation. It has resonance beyond its time and place. I am not so sure now. Coming out with an anti-war song at this moment when even the generals are jumping ship doesn't seem to me to be quite as prophetic.
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jeff house
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posted 21 April 2006 08:50 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
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I don't give weight to what a millionaire entertainer's take on a social issue is

That is a totally self-defeating attitude, since anyone nationally significant in the music community is almost certainly a millionaire.

The same could have been said of the Beatles' anti-war song "Give Peace A Chance", which was, I assure you, hugely significant.

When entertainers tell us their opinions on taxation issues, I keep in mind what their personal interests might be.

But I don't write them off entirely. Music and art influence the culture.


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Fear-ah
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posted 21 April 2006 09:18 PM      Profile for Fear-ah        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by worker_drone:
Which song was that virge? Are you thinking of "Let's Roll", about the flight 93 passengers? While I agree that by the time that song was written the Iraq war was already a done deal, there's no way Neil would have known that back in 2001.

Nice try but you are forgeting Neil's unabashed support for the Patriot Act--which record was recording then?

When 'Let's Roll' came out I wrote the man off completely...really really hard to take someone seriously when, in one part of his career, he is decrying US military flyovers in 'Helpless', in another part of his career, he's cheerleading 'death from above'. The guy who wrote Ohio, right?

Nobody needs another jaded sell-out 'boomer' telling us about Bush...we already knew.

Nope...the cred points go to guys like Steve Earle and Willie--they earned it!

Young is like Bono...when they had the opportunity to speak out or even read their own songs, they didn't and it won't be forgotten.


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Brian White
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posted 21 April 2006 09:19 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whats wrong with "lets roll"? I thought he released it with no studio backing and no production at all. You complain about the sound or the words? Those words could just as easily be directed against bush and his cronies. Think of that! It is a song of powerless people saying no and standing up for themselves.
Lots of his songs bemoan the sorry state of society in yankieland. I think they are a hell of a lot more meaningful than dixie chick songs.
If he is having a head to head with bush, it is definitely time to stand beside him.

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Fear-ah
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posted 21 April 2006 10:07 PM      Profile for Fear-ah        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian White:
Whats wrong with "lets roll"? I thought he released it with no studio backing and no production at all. You complain about the sound or the words? Those words could just as easily be directed against bush and his cronies. Think of that! It is a song of powerless people saying no and standing up for themselves.

Well this will be easy...

Can you jot down some other Neil Young songs that Neil wrote and didn't mean?

I wanna know really which ones' he means and which ones' he doesn't?

Next you'll tell me that Young's "This Note's For You' is really to show he LIKES corporate sponsorship of his tours...which he does too


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posted 21 April 2006 10:13 PM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's Roll was done in his home studio and released on the web. I don't believe it was actually on any of his albums.

What song are you referring to where he's cheerleading "death from above" Fear-ah?

You're really not making much sense here. Are you talking about Greendale? That's hardly a pro-bush album.

Yep, Neil came out in support of the Patriot Act initially. But that's one of the reasons I love him. You can never pin him down. Yes, he came out in support of Reagan too, back in the eighties.

quote:
Nobody needs another jaded sell-out 'boomer' telling us about Bush...we already knew

You already knew it. But maybe the message he's trying to get out isn't really aimed at you. Maybe he's not interested in preaching to the choir.


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posted 21 April 2006 10:33 PM      Profile for gopi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
One's standing in the iselway,
Two more at the door,
We've got to get inside there,
Before they kill somemore.

Time is runnin' out,
Let's roll.
Time is runnin' out,
Let's roll.

No time for indecision,
We've got to make a move,
I hope that were forgiven,
For what we got to

How this all got started,
I'll never understand,
I hope someone can fly this thing,
And get us back to land.

Time is runnin' out,
Let's roll.
Time is runnin' out,
Let's roll.

No one has the answer,
But one thing is true,
You've got to turn on evil,
When it's coming after you,
You've gota face it down,
And when it tries to hide,
You've gota go in after it,
And never be denied,
Time is runnin' out,
Let's roll.

Let's roll for freedome,
Let's roll for love,
We're going after satan,
On the wings of a dove,
Let's roll for justice,
Let's roll for truth,
Let's not let our children,
Grow up fearfull in there youth.


The song was released on the 2002 record Are You Passionate?

Even without the questionable use of the word "evil," this must be one of the lamest lyrics I've ever read.

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posted 22 April 2006 12:42 AM      Profile for Fear-ah        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gopi:

The song was released on the 2002 record Are You Passionate?

Even without the questionable use of the word "evil," this must be one of the lamest lyrics I've ever read.

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Thank You...(but you shouldn't ;-)

I was going to post the song, against my better judgment, of course...last time I looked google was still running?

Indeed lame, pandering, redneck shit...the type of drivel Young has been producing since the mid 80s.

Is the clown still a punk rocker too...LOL


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posted 22 April 2006 01:21 AM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the man has a voice like an ailing cat
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worker_drone
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posted 22 April 2006 03:21 AM      Profile for worker_drone        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And he's a crappy guitarist. But he combines that all and sounds great. That's the thing about Neil. All these contradictions.

Keep on rockin' in the free world!


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Fear-ah
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posted 22 April 2006 04:29 AM      Profile for Fear-ah        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by worker_drone:

Keep on rockin' in the free world!

Great song...

The Clinton era...when bombing Yugoslavia, homelessness, dot.com economic architecture had 'freedom content value', deviatives, and tinkering with the 401ks (the Lockbox) where fashionable topics among fashionable leftists in Amerikkka.

...and a lot of those folks LOVED Neil Young and I understand Neil Young was born here in Canada at one time.

Lots of contradictions...


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posted 22 April 2006 06:02 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two threads on Mr. Young from late last year (both now closed):

Discuss Neil Young from a pro-Neil Young point of view

Discuss Neil Young from an anti-Neil Young point of view

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Regarding him supporting Reagan as well Let's Roll, he's reversed his position on both.

After realizing he was wrong about Reagan, he came out with 'Keep on Rockin' in the Free World' in album 'Freedom'. After realizing he was wrong about events after 9/11, he regrets singing 'Let's Roll' in the song 'No Wonder' in the album 'Prairie Wind', and also does so in his new album.

This man has never stopped being political. He's been wrong a few times but snaps out of it.


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Speaking of protest Bush songs, Pink has a great one out. Really good.

Her "Stupid Girls" is great also. I am like so tired of the Paris Hilton phenomena.

Dear Mr. President

quote:
What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say.
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine!

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Here, for the first time, the lyrics to Neil Young’s “Let’s Impeach the President”:

Let’s impeach the president for lying

And leading our country into war

Abusing all the power that we gave him

And shipping all our money out the door

He’s the man who hired all the criminals

The White House shadows who hide behind closed doors

And bend the facts to fit with their new stories

Of why we have to send our men to war

Let’s impeach the president for spying

On citizens inside their own homes

Breaking every law in the country

By tapping our computers and telephones

What if Al Qaeda blew up the levees

Would New Orleans have been safer that way

Sheltered by our government’s protection

Or was someone just not home that day?

Let’s impeach the president

For hijacking our religion and using it to get elected

Dividing our country into colors

And still leaving black people neglected

Thank god he’s racking down on steroids

Since he sold his old baseball team

There’s lot of people looking at big trouble

But of course the president is clean

Thank God




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Sidebar: Long before Neil Young became a famous musician, his father, sports writer Scott Young, was banned from Maple Leaf Gardens for daring to write newspaper articles critical of plutocrat Harold Ballard. I think that's why Neil Young was a Winnipeger for a while - the family had to move to find work. Like father like son.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:

Yeah, that's our Neil. Always following the latest commercial trend


No kidding.
Britney's new baby? That's Neil's.


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posted 27 April 2006 01:22 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Nobody needs another jaded sell-out 'boomer' telling us about Bush...we already knew

The other jaded sell out "boomers" need someone to tell them.

I personally like his music, then again I am fond of yowling cats too.


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quote:
Nobody needs another jaded sell-out 'boomer' telling us about Bush...we already knew.

But maybe the message is directed at the 33% of the American population who don't "already know."

Dumping on allies because they are "boomers" is about the stupidest idea I can imagine.


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quote:
And shipping all our money out the door

Huh?

While I like Neil Young, this latest is so pedantic and verbose, that it's quite embarrassing. Even Ohio and Cortez the Killer are no masterpiece. It's hard to figure out what he's saying.

Other artists are far better lyricists.


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quote:
Originally posted by ceti:

Huh?

While I like Neil Young, this latest is so pedantic and verbose, that it's quite embarrassing. Even Ohio and Cortez the Killer are no masterpiece. It's hard to figure out what he's saying.

Other artists are far better lyricists.


Monday morning KKFI 90.1 Community Radio Communidad in Kansas City played "Let's Impeach the President" back to back to back to back to back on two occasions...both 30 minutes at a time.

I'm so proud to be a KKFI supporter.

They need to pick a day and play "Let's Impeach the President" for a solid 24 hours.


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Neil Young's lyrics to me have mostly seemed like an afterthought to the musical part of his songs.

The lyrics, particularly in the topical songs, seem to be composed with a sense of urgency -- he's got something to say, and he's gotta get it out NOW, and he feels that either there's no time to edit the words so they sound better, or that his first raw response to something should be preserved intact in order to convey his feelings as honestly as possible, or both.

"Impeach the President" is a good example of this, as is "Ohio" (man. 36 years. Shoulda been done long ago, indeed). It's inevitable that not all songs composed in this manner will be equally good from the start, and that not all of them will hold up as well over time.


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quote:
While I like Neil Young, this latest is so pedantic and verbose, that it's quite embarrassing. Even Ohio and Cortez the Killer are no masterpiece. It's hard to figure out what he's saying.

Other artists are far better lyricists.


Listen to the song, it works beautifully. They don't look great on paper but in song they rock. Many lyrics are that way. You can stream the album here:

Living with War


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quote:
Originally posted by ceti:

Huh?

While I like Neil Young, this latest is so pedantic and verbose, that it's quite embarrassing. Even Ohio and Cortez the Killer are no masterpiece. It's hard to figure out what he's saying.

Other artists are far better lyricists.


Yup, many artists surely are better lyricists, but that really isn't, and never has been the point.

Neil isn't about making a perfect, polished masterpiece. He's said as much many times. He feels that the "artist's reach should exceed his grasp."

Accordingly, he's more about the underlying idea than the way he dresses it up. You can certainly debate whether or not it's a good artistic credo, but he certainly lives by it. Personally, while I really like a lot of Neil Young, I'm still not sure. When he hits, he hits big. When he misses ... meh, we all make mistakes. At least you can be certain he's being sincere. (Since that's really all he's about.)


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To those down on Neil: there are philosophers who attract as much criticism from even those who respect them. Neil's a pop singer...exactly what model of rational probity did you have in mind?

...If that even supports valid critique, which I'd dispute. He's sincere and sometimes what he makes is beautiful, and for an artist, from the point of view of an audience, what else could possibly matter?


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