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wagepeace
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posted 22 June 2001 01:51 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is important!


1) Spider-man - because he is just an average guy with incredible power and he has a very cool costume.

2) Wonder Woman - because she is the first feminist super hero and she flies and invisible plane.

3)The Incredible Hulk - because he is misunderstood.

4) Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic) - because he can stretch his body and do crazy things with it.

5) Cyclops - because he is a nerd with mutant powers

6) Wolverine - because he is THE Canadian super hero in Marvel Comics and he ain't afraid of NUTHIN!

7) Rogue - because she can do anything you can do just by touching your skin

8) SHAZAM! (Captain Marvel) - because he is really a kid at heart.

9) Beast - because he is a furry genius.

10) Iron Man - just because.


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 22 June 2001 01:55 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
V from V for Vendetta. Brilliant, nuts, political, poetic. Perfect.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 June 2001 02:05 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My favourite books are

- Batman (when it's good and dark, and doesn't feature Robin)

- The Watchmen

- Anything written by Kevin Smith (he did a run of Daredevil and Green Arrow).

- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (the original Eastman & Laird version, of course).

- The Punisher, occasionally, when they have a good writer.

Basically, anything where the character is actually interesting. The whole "tortured soul" thing.

OTOH, I also like 'Milk & Cheese'...


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Jared
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posted 22 June 2001 03:31 PM      Profile for Jared     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Super Grover all the way!!!
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posted 22 June 2001 04:10 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I haven't read comic books in a LONG time. But I remember liking Green Lantern. Spiderman was good too.

As for TV cartoons, by far the best were the ORIGINAL Transformers. As a child of immigrants, they appealed to my subconscious then probably because there was a whole immigrant experience "fitting in" thing to them--how to get big robot-people-from-outer-space to be accepted by us humans. I dislike the newer versions of the transformers because they obliterated that key dynamic--what's the point of seeing them on an uninhabited planet?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 June 2001 04:46 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mandos: Right on about the Transformers. Robotech was also really good for the same reason. The conflict of culture between the humans and the Zentraedi was really cool.

I stopped being a Superman fan a LONG time ago. He's so powerful it's boring. Sure he has that little weakness to Kryptonite, but other than that he's unstoppable. Over the past few years they've tried to explore Clark Kent's personality a little more, which has been interesting, but mostly he's way too much of a boy scout to be interesting. Actually, most of DCs heroes are like that. Batman, Green Arrow and (maybe) the Flash are the most interesting of the classic DC characters (for me anyway) because they are the most flawed.

[ June 22, 2001: Message edited by: mediaboy ]


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sean s.
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posted 22 June 2001 05:27 PM      Profile for sean s.   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love all of the X-men, because they underline the fact that being different can be a strength, even if there is a lack of understanding in the general population.

Sean S.
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John Hansen
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posted 22 June 2001 06:49 PM      Profile for John Hansen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Superman gets unfairly maligned for the "boy scout" thing. I see a struggle in the guy to maintain that level of purity, given that he could do whatever the heck he wants, being all powerful and all. He's a boy scout in a decidedly non boy scout world. But then, I remember seeing Superman the movie in the theatre when I was 7 and being thrilled to pieces when Christopher Reeve just took off into the air.

However, my all time favourite is Spider-Man. because as wagepeace put it, he's an average guy. Marvel really reinvigorated comics in the 1960's with these new style superheroes that ordinary people can relate to. The X-Men were victims of prejudice. The Hulk was tortured and hunted like Frankenstein.

There's a great novel called "The Amazing Adventures of Cavalier and Clay" by Michael Chabon that chronicles the lives of two young Jewish kids who invent a successful line of super-heroes in the 1930's. It really captures what's fun about reading comics.


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posted 22 June 2001 11:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I second the nomination of Super Grover. "...and I'm CUTE, too!"
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John Hansen
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posted 23 June 2001 04:56 PM      Profile for John Hansen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And let's not forget the contribution the Archie super-heroes made to the genre.
Pureheart the Powerful rules!


....nobody actually believes me when I tell them there were super-heroes based on the Archies...


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Jared
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posted 23 June 2001 06:21 PM      Profile for Jared     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a child of the 80s (born in '79), I was also a biggie Transformer kid. Although they were essentially a half-hour toy commercial...I mean, that whole "robot roll call" was such a blatant and transparent attempt to introduce next month's action figures...they placated my basic kiddish yearning of "blow up as much as possible in one half-hour." Plus, the whole communal aspect - all my friends were into them as well. Any young male who didn't know Ironhide from Starscream tended to be playground persona non grata.

I never really was much of a comic-book reader in my younger years however. I know this is not true of all comics (in a small town, our selections were limited to the basic marquee characters), but what I saw a lot of was the whole basic "white-hat / black-hat" vibe. Even as a dimwitted anklebiter, the notion that these figures were either inherently good or evil with precious little wiggle room just didn't seem real enough to me. Yeah, I know it's designed as fantastic escapism and am/did probably reading too much into it. Take it up with Grover!

I have a fuzzy recollection of the Archie heroes. I think Jughead had a hamburger on his chest.

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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 28 June 2001 04:28 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Hansen: I totally disagree about the "Boy Scout" thing. I've very rarely read a Superman story where he had to make a difficult ethical decision. The book is always very black and white.

One exception I HAVE read: Lana Lang's baby is dying, and the Smallville hospital can't help it. The only way it'll survive is if Superman flies it to a top-notch pediatric hospital. The problem is that, at the same time, Superman gets an urgent message from the Justive League that an unknown villain is kicking their ass, and they need Supes' help, BADLY. In the end he decides that the Justice League can take care of themselves, and that the baby is more in need of his services.

Unfortunately, he didn't know that the JLA was getting their asses WHOOPED by Doomsday, the villain who actually killed Superman a few years earlier.

It was a really good book.

Man, I'm such a geek.


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John Hansen
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posted 28 June 2001 09:32 PM      Profile for John Hansen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Keep in mind too that I haven't any comic very seriously for years so my current knowledge of Superman is pretty limited. I just recall when John Byrne took over the relaunch back 1986, Superman was suddenly much more modern. He's always right, of course but the world around him has grown a little more complex.

A few years back, after coming back from the dead he decided to fix all the world's problems (world hunger, nuclear weapons)and quickly realized that wasn't his place and he should stick to villians bent on world domination and intergalatic threats.

The only comic I read on a semi-regular basis these days is JLA because I'm too lazy to buy all those individual characters' titles separately.

By the same token, I never found Batman all that realistic as it was praised. How many sociopath millionaire playboys with a bizarre vigilante streak do I know?

I always thought Marvel did a better job of portraying realistic characters. Keep in mind too, that the super hero genre is inherently unrealistic. Teenagers don't get super powers when bitten by radioactive spiders. They usually get cancer and die.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 29 June 2001 10:59 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that Batman isn't more realistic. But I find him damned more interesting. The thing that makes him so interesting for me is how he walks the razor-fine line that seperates him from the criminals he hunts. He's so close to the same sort of psychosis that his opponents suffer from, it's chilling.

I used to prefer Marvel, but they've been pretty watered down since Todd Macfarlane left.


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posted 14 July 2001 07:13 AM      Profile for tiger999     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Milk & Cheese rule. But Green Lantern / Green Arrow are the best. Green Arrow is an Anarchist Robin Hood, Green Lantern is Green Party. Little purple guys with huge heads on a planet called OA run everything through the Green Lantern Corps (Greenpeace?GlobalGreens?). How close to real life can you get?
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posted 14 July 2001 12:50 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kato from the Green Hornet Series. His only weakness was the corporate fools of Hollywood and in the end kicked their ass' too.
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I'm partial to The Bowler, myself, but maybe only 'cause I think Janeane Garafolo is cute.
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wagepeace
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posted 24 July 2001 07:38 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love Ms. Garofololololol!

Her stand up comedy is really funny.

Did anyone see the Spider-man move trailer yet? If not you can see it here!


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posted 17 August 2001 06:29 PM      Profile for girlincrisis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, i'm new here and i loooove this board so far. anyhoo, as far as superheros go, when i was a wee lass i was in love with WONDERWOMAN!! i sooo wanted to be here..i even had a little WW play set/costume thing, with the gold lasso and wrist cuffs! woohoo! i realize now that i was pretty lucky as a young girl in the 70's...i had some pretty slik female role models...considering the social climate at the time.
right now thought i LOOOOOVE the POWERPUFF girls!! they ROCK!! Buttercup is my fave.=)

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audra trower williams
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posted 17 August 2001 06:40 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is buttercup the red-head, girlincrisis?

Also: Welcome!


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'lance
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posted 17 August 2001 06:45 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto to wagepeace on Spiderman (the hope of young geeks everywhere), Dawna Matrix on V (a fully realized, disturbing character) and MediaBoy on the Watchmen (same, plus narrative brilliance).
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Michelle
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posted 18 August 2001 02:16 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For you, Wagepeace:

[ August 18, 2001: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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marty raw
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posted 18 August 2001 03:27 PM      Profile for marty raw     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In no particular order :

Superman - the one, the only, the original.

Batman - c'mon! WHO is cooler than Bats? WHO, I ASK?!!!

Spiderman - please, no hyphen.

Daredevil - just because.

The Flash - and I mean Barry Allen, dammit!

Green Lantern - and I mean Hal Jordan, dammit!

Power Man & Iron Fist - I had a great idea for a buddy/cop show with these two. Now, Ray Park is making a movie of 'Fist(it'll suck) & I heard Wesley Snipes optioned Luke Cage, Power Man. *sigh*...


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girlincrisis
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posted 02 September 2001 09:40 PM      Profile for girlincrisis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Audra-Buttercup is the black-haired angry one..she rocks!!!
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Archibald Fitzchesterfield
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posted 03 September 2001 01:02 AM      Profile for Archibald Fitzchesterfield     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gotta be the Tick. "Do you mock me, O spoon?"

And Carpeted Man, the guy with the carpet suit. He would walk around rubbing his feet on the ground and give villains static electric shocks. His only weakness was a tendency to overheat in the suit and faint.


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posted 03 September 2001 04:01 PM      Profile for Sleepstalker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess the following charachters were not exactly Super Heroes but they were in comic
boof form . I enjoyed as a teenager Harold Head Comix and "The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers " comix and Fat Freddy's Cat wuz a hoot! (sigh)....Now I'm feelinn nostalgic Dammit!...ahyhoo nuff said ...Da Sleepster

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JCL
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posted 17 September 2001 03:50 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My fave is Batman. He doesn't have any magical powers or from another world or got bitten by a radioactive spider. He's the most human of superheroes. And yes, he was equally as brutal as the criminals he hunted down. But then again, doesn't one reap what one sows? The criminals were brutal to their victims but Batman returned the favour.
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wagepeace
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posted 17 September 2001 03:56 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Batman is classic - "Batman Beyond" is, well, made for TV.

Apparently there is a Batman and Superman buddy movie in the works. I am told that it will be called "World's Finest", after the so-named comic book.

Here is a link to movie information:


Batman and Superman - World's Finest


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 17 September 2001 03:59 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Archibald: I can't believe I forgot about The Tick!!! He rules.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of licensing, the villains from the cartoon aren't the same as the villains from the comic book, and the villains from the new live-action show aren't going to be the same as the villains from the cartoon OR the comic book.

IMHO, the villains from the cartoon were the best. I loved the evil kid whose intelligence was boosted by a helmet he designed. The helmet ran on a two-stroke lawnmower engine. It was priceless.

I'm really sad that Die Fleidermaus(sp?) and American Maid won't be in the live-action show. Instead, they have a cheesy latino hero named BatManuel.


Wagepeace: I don't like Batman Beyond very much either. The theme of Batman in the future has been treated WAY better in the comics. Ever read Batman: Digital Justice? It would make a great Batman movie or cartoon. It's a dark,cyberpunk version of Batman, and the new dark knight is Commissioner Gordon's grandson. It was also one of the first comics to be created entirely on a computer. Nowadays, most mainstream comics are coloured and lettered by computer!

And then, of course, there's always Return of the Dark Knight, which is an absolute classic.


Darren Aronofsky (Pi, Requiem for a Dream) wrote a script for Batman: Year One. Apparently it sucked HARD, and won't be made, thank goodness.

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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posted 19 September 2001 02:57 PM      Profile for AMMK     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too Much Coffee Man!!
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I remember what I used to like but don`t know if I would still like them. No one mentioned "Under Dog" yet Or how Colonel Bleep and Diaper Man used to streak through the sky. As a child who had heard the song "The Streak" I was fairly well amused every time they said that. And Mighty Mouse, where the wolves were really wolves and the banks of the river were really banks.

Nowadays I watch stuff that is enjoyable, even if a bit lame at times - such as the Queen of Swords, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, DragonBall Z, used to watch Cyber Six until gave up Teletoon for financial reasons - I was trying to recover from chemical exposures and then I got sick. As Super Heros I grew up with Nellie McClung when I was young - though she was far from perfect.

Too bad the Gargoles were not real - if the disaster could be avoided, there would be nothing for Americans to be angery about.

Another vote for Supergrover - as well


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No American Maid??? I'm so disappointed! She's fabulous. BatManuel doesn't necessarily sound lame, though. I hope he turns out like that bee guy from the Simpsons.
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In brightest day, in darkest night,
No evil shall escape my sight.
To those who worship evils might,
Beware my power...Green Lanterns Light!

Yup... they sure don't write stuff like they did in the old days.


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Anyone remember The Shadow? Boston Blackie? (We're back to radio here, chicks ...)
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 20 September 2001 03:58 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Green Hornet was pretty cool too. Before WWII, Kato was his faithful Japanese valet, and a pretty cool character actually. After WWII Kato suddenly became Philipino, and wasn't nearly as much of an equal partner.

At least, that's what my dad tells me. I only know Green Hornet from the tv show and the fairly recent comic books.


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X-men is the best. Wolverine has about a million years worth of back story that I've always liked and magneto is so complicated that you don't know who to root for. whether Magneto's way is the only way to end the prejudice and what not. anyone who has ever said that comic books were cheap substitutes for reading should see how some of these characters are portrayed better than the news portrays real people.I was so pissed when beast wasn't in the first picture but director brian singer (who also did the usual suspects)had the excuse of budget restraints I guess.No matter how you shoot that movie your going to get someone mad, my beef is that so many imemorable villians were used.I still watch the million sequels to come like everyone else.
So someone has actually said no to another batman.the only one really worth watching is the first (which i did millions of times when i was really small)then they dumbed it down into a PG fiasco.You'd probably start the revolution by doing something trivial like that with X-men.
Has anyone heard the rumor that spider man is being re-edited due to it's showing of the WTC?

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Victor Von Mediaboy
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There will probably be more Batman movies. Warner Bros. just won't be using Darren Aronofsky's terrible vision for Batman: Year One.

There have been a few scary rumours at aintitcool.com about X-Men 2. Proceed with caution. It could easily suck harder than a Shop-Vac.

Spider-Man: I don't know about re-editing the movie, but they did have to scrap the trailer because it featured the WTC in a BIG BIG way. The trailer is probably still available on the internet, but not at the official website.

They do have to reshoot the climax to Men In Black 2 because it takes place at the WTC.


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posted 26 September 2001 03:27 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gotta go with Marty Raw on the Daredevil.

More ninja than superhero, and blind to boot. Even his cane was way cool, he used it in so many ways (weapon, acrobatic swing) you couldn't help but think Batman was a wimp with all his expensive gadgets.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 26 September 2001 10:10 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But Matt Murdock's a lawyer, and therefore evil.
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posted 26 September 2001 10:31 AM      Profile for big snake sale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A most under-rated superhero would be:

Your pal and mine - Tony Stark aka Iron Man!!

He is the incarnation of the military industrial complex fighting the cold war - at least he used to be.

Plus, shell-head's armour is really really cool looking!

AND Tony Stark is an alcoholic! I mean, he is too real to be true!


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Officially: Unfortunately, Stark Enterprises is still a major arms manufacturer, and supplier to folks such as S.H.I.E.L.D.

Unofficially: Yup, Iron Man is way cool!!! I used to collect Iron Man comics religiously. Then they changed the artists and I didn't like it as much. Also, the design of his armour seems to change weekly nowadays. I hate that.


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Here is the classic armour that I still love to this day! Good Ol' Shellhead!
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posted 26 September 2001 12:34 PM      Profile for Ian the second   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neo from the Matrix.

I can't recall a better or more psycho-mystical superhero story than that.

Whoa, existential, dude.


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Ian

[ September 26, 2001: Message edited by: Ian the second ]


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 26 September 2001 01:20 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ian - you'd probably like the Sandman, too. You know it?
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