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jrose
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posted 18 June 2008 07:21 AM      Profile for jrose     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle Obama Sexism/Racism Watch

From Feministing:

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Fox News is at it again.

On an episode of Fox News Watch this weekend, conservative pundit Cal Thomas revealed that there are no black women who aren't the "angry black woman." (Cue scary music!)

Here are a few snippets from the transcript, Michelle Obama Watch has more here and here. You can also watch the video here.

CAL THOMAS: In this campaign, we are being asked to accept three things simultaneously, the first woman with a credible chance of being president, the first African-American with the chance to being president and, whoever Michelle Obama is going to be styled, the angry black woman, first lady? This is an awful lot.
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THOMAS: I want to pick up on something that Jane said about the angry black woman. Look at the image of angry black women on television. Politically you have Maxine Waters of California, liberal Democrat. She’s always angry every time she gets on television. Cynthia McKinney, another angry black woman. And who are the black women you see on the local news at night in cities all over the country. They’re usually angry about something. They’ve had a son who has been shot in a drive-by shooting. They are angry at Bush. So you don’t really have a profile of non-angry black women.



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posted 18 June 2008 07:58 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This well-done New York Times feature refers to some particularly hideous attacks on Michelle Obama.

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Conservative columnists accuse her of being unpatriotic and say she simmers with undigested racial anger. A blogger who supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton circulates unfounded claims that Mrs. Obama gave an accusatory speech in her church about the sins of “whitey.” Mrs. Obama shakes her head.

“You are amazed sometimes at how deep the lies can be,” she says in an interview. Referring to a character in a 1970s sitcom, she adds: “I mean, ‘whitey’? That’s something that George Jefferson would say. Anyone who says that doesn’t know me. They don’t know the life I’ve lived. They don’t know anything about me.”

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Then came some rhetorical stumbles. In Madison, Wis., in February, she told voters that hope was sweeping America, adding, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.” Cable news programs replayed those 15 words in an endless loop of outrage.

Barack Obama often blurs identity lines; much of his candidacy has seemed almost post-racial. Mrs. Obama’s identity is less mutable. She is a descendant of slaves and a product of Chicago’s historically black South Side. She burns hot where he banks cool, and that too can make her an inviting proxy for attack.

Fox News called her “Obama’s baby mama,” a derogatory term for an unwed mother. Christopher Hitchens, a Slate columnist, claimed — with scant evidence — that her college thesis proved she was once influenced by black separatism. National Review presented her as a scowling “Mrs. Grievance.”

The caricatures of Mrs. Obama as the Angry Black Woman confound her, friends say. Her own family crosses racial boundaries — her mother-in-law and a sister-in-law are white — and she has spent much of her adult life trying to address racial resentment.



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posted 18 June 2008 08:49 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CNN reported on some of the anti-Michelle Obama sentiment last night, and noted that her husband has set up a website to debunk some of the wilder claims being made against his wife. I forget who lead the report on CNN, but that person said it looks like a repeat of the 'anti-strong-woman sentiment' that surfaced while Hillary Clinton was the First Lady.
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jrose
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posted 18 June 2008 12:34 PM      Profile for jrose     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like we're echoing a similar thread.

But because it isn't exactly the same, I'll leave this one open. The other thread included this link, which is worth checking out: http://michelleobamawatch.com/


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posted 18 June 2008 04:06 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seriously, what's without the pantyhose? See 13.49 (Michelle Obama on The View).

Actually when I listened to the whole show, Michelle sounded highly intelligent and confident. I wonder if she will become the woman that Republican's that will indirectly call a "bitch." Should women only be seen but not heard? Women who are assertive like Michelle Obama and Hilary Clinton can be called "bitchy" even though assertive men don't get the same or similar tag.


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posted 18 June 2008 04:12 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used the pantyhose reference because it is coming up on a Blogging Tories site. I do give credit that the blogging author commented on the decline of the pantyhose industry and not negatively on Michelle Obama's fashion tastes.
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posted 18 June 2008 06:18 PM      Profile for hali     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cripes, all the angry white men are whining about the "angry black woman". How predictable is that!

I used to think the angry white men were worth debating with, but that was 20 years ago! Now they are just boring and embarrassing. However, given how unattractive all that whining is to women, there is some hope that they will just die out without procreating!


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posted 18 June 2008 06:26 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The "attacks" on Michelle O. are the same as the "attacks" on Barack O. They are both accused of being angry and resentful about the nature and behaviour of the U.S.

And their response is the same: "No, no, I'm not, really I'm not, you don't know the real me!"

Both the vicious attacks on them, as well as their predictable responses, tell a big story about the depraved society in which they live.


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posted 18 June 2008 06:26 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Geez, Cindy McCain is again going on about how patriotic she is compared to Michelle Obama! (that was on CNN tonight)

ps: that weird guy with the big glasses and suspenders on CNN is talking about something called Cookie-Gate, claiming that Cindy McCain stole a cookie recipe and tried to pass it off as her own.


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posted 18 June 2008 07:28 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And now - the unkindest cut of all:

Obama's wife in 'pathetic' gaffe

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Appearing on The View, a leading US morning talk show, Michelle Obama was asked by Barbara Walters whether she wanted her husband to be president.

Mrs Obama said "no", and was then heard to say: "He was sweet and pathetic".

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor clarified after the programme that she had actually said "sweet, empathetic".


What crap. I believe she was actually describing some mild pains suffered by Barack while flying to Stockholm last year, saying that his was a "Sweden-path headache".

The article continues:

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During the interview, Mrs Obama also vowed to emulate first lady Laura Bush and be a model White House wife.

Yes! Go Mrs. Obama! Also not a Muslim!!!


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posted 21 June 2008 12:47 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Michelle Obama is a Harvard-educated lawyer, an American success story pulling down more than a quarter million a year as a university vice-president, but this week everyone was talking about her sundress.

They were chattering about her revelation that she doesn't wear pantyhose, that she shops at Target, a sort of upscale Wal-Mart, and that she relies on headbands for those bad hair days.

Her husband's presidential campaign was also hoping voters now believe she is patriotic, that she has never secretly denounced "whitey" and her celebratory fist-knock with her husband after he clinched the Democratic nomination was not some secret terrorist handshake.

It is all part of the remaking of the 44-year-old mother of two, a renovation that included a co-host turn on The View, a cover piece in US Weekly, and a speech here yesterday in which she said she will always be a working mom.

There is now less lawyer Michelle and more mom Michelle, a reshaping borne of necessity, a product of the peculiarities of U.S. politics.

Just as her husband had to feebly show his bowling ineptitude in Pennsylvania, Michelle Obama is now being taken down a notch or two, so she not appear too threatening, part of the American demand that their leaders all but shuck their education and worldliness and start acting like someone they would drink with on Saturday night.

It is part of a parallel campaign alien to Canadians, the battle for first lady, this year pitting this product of south side Chicago who sometimes talks a little too straight against Cindy McCain, a beer heiress who sometimes looks a little too perfect.

But more than anything, it appears to be a bid to parry attacks from the U.S. right which, not content to try to demonize the candidate, has caricatured his spouse as a woman who harbours deep resentment against her country, a woman branded by the conservative National Review as "Mrs. Grievance."


And thus does the Obama campaign braintrust combat sexism - by dumbing down Michelle Obama from a smart, successful woman to just another soccer mom.

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posted 21 June 2008 02:34 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
And thus does the Obama campaign braintrust combat sexism - by dumbing down Michelle Obama from a smart, successful woman to just another soccer mom.

I know this is thread drift, but are you suggesting that soccer moms are dumb and unsuccessful?


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posted 21 June 2008 03:29 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Soccer moms are stereotyped to be dumb and useless. This happens all the time. In fact, there is some new reality show in which soccer moms are the focus:

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TLC picked up The Secret Life of a Soccer Mom, a one-hour reality show that takes ordinary stay-at-home mothers and shows them what their lives could have been like had they pursued their careers instead of taking care of the family.

Moms who have always wanted to be chefs, police officers, fashion designers and others will be able to pursue those goals for one week. At the end of the week, the mom can either choose to live the dual life of raising a family and having a career or go back to being a stay-at-home parent.


The Secret Life of Soccer Moms


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M. Spector, why ould you bother bolding "Harvard educated"?
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posted 28 June 2008 05:46 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hali:
Cripes, all the angry white men are whining about the "angry black woman". How predictable is that!

I used to think the angry white men were worth debating with, but that was 20 years ago! Now they are just boring and embarrassing. However, given how unattractive all that whining is to women, there is some hope that they will just die out without procreating!



Good one.
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Originally posted by Stargazer:
Soccer moms are stereotyped to be dumb and useless.

I hadn't realized that some people use "soccer mom" to mean "stay-at-home mom." This is silly. I've known lots of hockey moms, who are soccer moms in the off-season (as we hockey/soccer dads like to call it, in order to yank the chains of fans of The Beautiful Game). Almost all of them had jobs.

(By the way, as a fan of The Beautiful Game myself, next summer I'm looking forward to being a soccer grandpa.)


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I certainly never got the idea that soccermom referrs to stay at home or 'dumbed down' women.

I think the stereotype is working parent, lives in suburbs, run ragged... but women being the ones having the traditional 'relationship responsibilities' they are the ones that go to the games no matter how busy they are.

For what it's worth- that isn't my experience with kids soccer games... but that's the stereotype out there.

Nor do I think Michele Obama is being dumbed down. Call it pandering if you want- but the pandering is the attempt to look more like everyone else. And 'everyone else' does not see themselves as dumb... thats your read.

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I think soccer mom would be most accurately characterised as 'someone with mass culture tastes.'

I've heard the term 'NASCAR dad' used as the male equivalent.


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NASCAR dads are usually characterized an stupid, gun loving, country music listening rednecks who are also selfish, woman hating asses.

Nascar dads are the ones all the politicians try to appeal to - thus the politicians trot out gun rights, men's rights, and the right to consume gas and wreck havoc on the environment. Nascar men are no wimps. Hell no! They're manly, like Ted Nugent.


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posted 28 June 2008 12:50 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Usually"?

Obviously, sometimes portrayed that way. You just did it for example.

I have only heard it referred to in a neutral way. Implicit is the outsider looking at 'them', but not with the kind of characterization you used.

Both the perjorative use of soccer mom and of NASCAR dad used here are just the same old stereotype of working class boors that have been around for ages.

Old wine, new label. With no real relationship to how others use the label.


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I realize that discussing stereotypes about the working class is a thread drift. But I didn't start it, and they bug me- albeit not hugely.

The real people that correspond with 'NASCAR dad' are only in some cases hunters and gun people- and increasingly less so.

I was raised in a hunting and gun appreciating culture myself. While I left it behind younger, I'm not unusual.

There's somewhat more correspndence between NASCAR loving and country music, but just as much with hard rock.

As to misogyny- that's the whole culture, no more indulged in by the mainstream working class which I am part of.... as far as I can tell [as someone who has plenty of contact across classes].


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Ken, I'm not trying to piss you off. Believe it or not, these are the stereotypes I have read about in various magazines (and most particularly on right wing shows). Blame them. As a Canadian I can't relate to either a soccer mom or a nascar dad stereotype.

From Wikipedia:

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In North American social, cultural and political discourse, NASCAR dad refers broadly to a demographic group of white, usually middle-aged, working-class or lower-middle-class men. The group received this nickname because they are men who are believed to typically enjoy watching NASCAR racing, or comparable high-impact sports or entertainment (football, professional wrestling). The term was often used during the United States presidential election of 2004, particularly in describing the efforts of Democrats to regain the votes of white southern males.

From an NYTimes article:


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Nascar dad is, apparently, the white, heterosexual embodiment of the swing voter in this next election, and a great deal of time and effort and money are being spent trying to hunt the poor guy down.

He's defined as a blue-collar wage earner (rural? urban? suburban? just bourbon?) disaffected with politics and parties and willing to throw a vote to the candidate who speaks to his needs. Jobs, education, health care and so forth. Which way he feels on which issues, though, remains a mystery.

He may have a Confederate flag stuck to the bumper of his pickup truck - unless he's driving his wife's Subaru, in which case the bumper reads "Mary Kay" or "Lose Weight Now, Ask Me How." He's out there somewhere, though, wandering the highways, and the candidates are determined to find him.


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Nascar dad wants to know that all his hard work, all his effortful virtue and his diligent vigilance, all his ancient bravery and his bone-deep devotion, all his canny intelligence and his remarkable ingenuity, all his abiding love of country, and all the struggle in his living and his dying, is in service of something much greater than himself.

All that, and a weekend of topless karaoke at the track. These things are not mutually exclusive. As I said, Nascar dad is a mighty complicated man. Look far enough past the "bikini inspector" hats and the rainbow suspenders, the clichés and the rhetoric and the race to catalog the constituency, and maybe you'll catch a glimpse of him. He's right there, in the grandstands at Daytona, one huge hand over his heart for the anthem and standing razor straight.



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