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Puetski Murder
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posted 26 April 2004 11:56 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They're tallying that Best Canadian nominations, and I see quite a few ads on the telly, and it got me thinking.

Who is the worst Canadian dead or alive?

Here are my picks:

- Carla Collins (Unfunny, too fake, would like her off my TV)

- Susan Hay (Wooden, plastic, would like her off my TV)

- Mel Lastman (Lookit all these messes now coming to light)

- Jacques Parizeau (Thankfully out of politics)

Can you think of any more? Are these adaquately despisable?


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lagatta
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posted 27 April 2004 12:02 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jacques Parizeau? Haughty, and no friend of the working class, but I can think of far worse. Your Quebec-bashing is showing.

Who was that corporate exec at Westray who should have faced 27 murder charges?

Conrad Black springs to mind, along with the usual "criminal" nasties, such as Bernardo/Homolka. But there are so many more...


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Marc
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posted 27 April 2004 12:03 AM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
- Brian Mulroney
- Ralph Klein
- Gordon Campbell
- Mike Harris
- The people who created Canadian Idol

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posted 27 April 2004 12:09 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great thread idea. Should start some good fight. I'll weigh in with a relatively non-controversial Mitch Hepburn for now. I won't get into people I just happen to know personally.

I just asked my kid, and he said "the first thing that pops in my head is Brian Mulroney but there may be worse" That would have been my first answer, but I didn't want to go for the obvious.

edited for some spelling errors. perhaps more to follow.

[ 27 April 2004: Message edited by: oldgoat ]


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 27 April 2004 12:21 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The easy and obvious choice is Brian Mulroney.

Are we supposed to give this a lot of thought and consideration?

OK, on second thought, and after much sober deliberation, I vote for Myron Baloney.


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posted 27 April 2004 01:03 AM      Profile for candle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ezra Levant
Stockwell Day
Celine Dion

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Puetski Murder
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posted 27 April 2004 01:05 AM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Your Quebec-bashing is showing

Oh, didn't mean it like that. I was thinking of the anti-immigrant and borderline racist things he said post referendum.

I was hoping someone else (or lots of someones) would say Brian Mulroney. I had a horrifying nightmare once that he flew to my place in an Airbus and was packing heat in the form of a Kalashnikov. He came to take me out for bad-mouthing Ben Mulroney which I have been doing quite frequently in reality lately. He said if he ever heard me speak ill of the Mulroneys (Brian, Ben, Mila whomever) he would be back.

So technically, I didn't say it. Brian can't come haunt me in my dreams.

Does:
- Tom Green

Still warrant an honourable mention?


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Gir Draxon
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posted 27 April 2004 03:28 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Adam Yoshida- he likes to pretend he is an American in virtually every article he writes.
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posted 27 April 2004 03:40 AM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Living: Adam Yoshida

Ever: Maurice Duplessis


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Hephaestion
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posted 27 April 2004 03:49 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barbara effing Amiel.

I can at least read most right-wingers, but her stuff is either drivel about shoes and shit that puts me to sleep, or about almost any other topic that drives me into a berserk-y kind of rage. I dunno what it is about her (besides the fact that she can kiss The Lord of Darkness on his fat ugly lips) but she disgusts me.

My second nominee (actually tied for #1 spot with Amiel) is the evil troll that aided and abetted Mulroney throughout that particular interrugnum:

Tom D'Aquino

Just about every position he has advanced over the past 20 years has been adopted by either the Konservatives or the "Liberals," and most of those positions and policies served no one but Bay Street. I'd like to take a ball peen hammer to Mulroney's kneecaps, but I would make D'Aquino's punishment last, and it would be exquisitely painful.

[ 27 April 2004: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 27 April 2004 03:57 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do babblers not listen to Definitely Not The Opera? They've had a Worst Canadian contest going the last few weeks. Announced the top 5 on Saturday's show. Brian Mulroney took the top spot; son Ben was number 2.
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posted 27 April 2004 04:23 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Brian Mulroney and Paul Martin.

Jean Chretien is probably in the middle, mainly for lack of any substantive attempts at turning back the Conservative tide until far too late.


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posted 27 April 2004 07:27 AM      Profile for charlessumner     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doesn't anybody remember Diane Francis?

Oh. Right.

Related: "If you give in to the Jehovah's witnesses in regard to their rights, next thing you know you'll have the Satanists, witches' covens and pedophiles knocking at our doors." Outlandishly camp parody of gay marriage opponents? No, it's Diane Francis being serious!

[ 27 April 2004: Message edited by: charlessumner ]


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 27 April 2004 11:16 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Do babblers not listen to Definitely Not The Opera?

Definitely not.

And I hereby nominate Joe Fan (yeah I know, but there's a connexion...) as Top Canadian.


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posted 27 April 2004 11:17 AM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Barbara effing Amiel.

I can at least read most right-wingers, but her stuff is either drivel about shoes and shit that puts me to sleep, or about almost any other topic that drives me into a berserk-y kind of rage. I dunno what it is about her (besides the fact that she can kiss The Lord of Darkness on his fat ugly lips) but she disgusts me.

My second nominee (actually tied for #1 spot with Amiel) is the evil troll that aided and abetted Mulroney throughout that particular interrugnum:

Tom D'Aquino

Just about every position he has advanced over the past 20 years has been adopted by either the Konservatives or the "Liberals," and most of those positions and policies served no one but Bay Street. I'd like to take a ball peen hammer to Mulroney's kneecaps, but I would make D'Aquino's punishment last, and it would be exquisitely painful.

[ 27 April 2004: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


Here here. The latest piece (of shit) I read by her suggested that we need to be a Judeochristian nation even if many may not be feverently religious or even religious at all because it's only through having a God-centred society that we can understand the mindset of people who wholeheartedly believe that if they sacrifice themselves "for Allah", they'll spend eternity screwing beautiful virgins.

Ummm ya...

Barbara Amiel is nothing more than Adam Yoshida with a doctorate and a skin-tone more appealing to her fascist buddies.

[ 27 April 2004: Message edited by: NDP Newbie ]


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posted 27 April 2004 11:41 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Jacques Parizeau? Haughty, and no friend of the working class, but I can think of far worse. Your Quebec-bashing is showing.

This is "Quebec-bashing" about as much as her inclusion of Mel Lastman was anti-semitism or Carla Collins sexism.


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posted 27 April 2004 11:42 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree. Parizeau is loathesome because he's a racist jerk, not because he's from Quebec.
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posted 27 April 2004 11:54 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about those guys involved in the Bre-X fraud?
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paxamillion
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Marc Lepine? Clifford Olson?
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posted 27 April 2004 12:30 PM      Profile for UrsaMinor     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tan'si,

This may get me in trouble, but I would argue that John A. MacDonald should not be considered for the Greatest Canadian for a number of reasons. The first, is that John A. made it possible to say there is one dead Chinese man for every mile of the Trans-Canada railroad. Second, he signed treaties with First Nations promising them the same rights the conquered French got, while behind closed doors he wanted a policy of forced assimilation. He instigated the first Reil rebellion through incompetance and the second rebellion for political purposes. His idea of Canada was very closely aligned with Canada the colony remaining a part of the British Empire. John A., if PM in 1982, may not have brought to the constitution to Canada and through much of his public life betrayed opinions that were akin to Lord Conard Black's.


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posted 27 April 2004 12:38 PM      Profile for MacD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gordon Campbell
Grant Devine
Harold Ballard

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paxamillion
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posted 27 April 2004 02:41 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's not forget this guy....

quote:
Alex Trebek is a true American icon. As the charismatic host of JEOPARDY!, he has challenged and entertained millions of viewers worldwide with well over 4000 exciting shows since JEOPARDY!'s debut in 1984. Trebek now leads the blockbuster series into its landmark 20th Anniversary season—firmly establishing JEOPARDY! as America's Favorite Quiz Show®. As a result of his work on JEOPARDY! and the series' great success, Trebek recently won his third Daytime Emmy Award for "Outstanding Game Show Host." He is a genuine audience favorite.

Trebek has appeared in over 70 movies and television shows, most often appearing as himself and has been honored with a coveted star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The recipient of many special honors, he was recently inducted into the California Broadcasting Association's Hall of Fame.



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posted 27 April 2004 02:47 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sorry, but you forgot to give your answer in the form of a question.
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paxamillion
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posted 27 April 2004 02:48 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who is Alex Trebek?
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Puetski Murder
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posted 27 April 2004 03:08 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Do babblers not listen to Definitely Not The Opera?

Yes, that is where the idea for this thread came from. However, I found a lot of their suggestions to be unimaginative and lost interest quickly. I figured Babble could come up with better suggestions and the discussion could be fleshed out.

For instance, the John A. suggestion! What a good one!

Conrad Black and Barbara Amiel make for Worst Canadian Power Couple.

Ben Johnson as the Worst/Most Disappointing Canadian Athlete?

I'm trying to conjure up more historical candidates, but am drawing blanks.


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posted 27 April 2004 03:09 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oooooo!!! I forgot Grant Devine! What a ***PIG***

How 'bout Sterling Lyon, too?


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 27 April 2004 04:38 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Marc Lepine
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Briguy
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posted 27 April 2004 04:41 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rachel Marsden (sp?)
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posted 27 April 2004 05:05 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rachel Marsden! Good one, sarcasmobri!!!

How about Steve Fonyo.?


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Hephaestion
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posted 27 April 2004 05:05 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bill Aberhardt
W.A.C. Bennett
Bill Bennett
Bill VanderZap
Otto Lang
Larry Spencer
Ralph Klein
Norman Spector
Susan Martinuk
Senator Ann Cools
and wasn't it Robert Borden who sicced the goons on the 1919 General Strikers?

ugghh! I'm exhausted....


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posted 27 April 2004 05:15 PM      Profile for MacD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Bill Aberhardt

Aberhart was a little *kooky* but I don't think he deserves a worst Canadian nomination. His successor, Ernest Manning, seems like a deserving nominee.


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posted 27 April 2004 05:16 PM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Bill Aberhardt
W.A.C. Bennett
Bill Bennett
Bill VanderZap
Otto Lang
Larry Spencer
Ralph Klein
Norman Spector
Susan Martinuk
Senator Ann Cools
and wasn't it Robert Borden who sicced the goons on the 1919 General Strikers?

ugghh! I'm exhausted....


VanderZalm is not in the same league as Hepburn or Duplessis.


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mighty brutus
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posted 27 April 2004 06:24 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WAC Bennett MADE British Columbia!!!!
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Hephaestion
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posted 28 April 2004 03:38 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bull Shite, MB—

Exploitation of natural resources "made" British Columbia [what it is today.]

Wacky just rode the wave, and, as we are finding out today, a lot of the so-called "mega-projects" such as dams cause irreperable harm to the environment.

Or did you mean the way that BC politics are polarized into the NDP and the Anybody-But-The-NDP factions? Yeah, I think we can lay a lot of the credit for that at Wacky's doorstep.

And let's not forget... he also gave us Bill Bennett, who did, I'll admit, succeed in uniting most of the province— in opposition to his government.


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David Frum. (Gotta admit it, he's ours, even if he has surgically grafted his lips to the PNAC boys' collective ass.)

Keegstra.

Michael Walker and everyone at the Fraser Institute.

Paul Fucking Anka.


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Nik
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Marc LePine, Robert Pickton, Clifford Olson, Karla Homolka, Paul Bernardo...
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Celine Dion deserves more attention here...

But that brings it back to DAVID FOSTER. Ooh yeah, forgot about him.

David Foster. For producing "Chicago 17."

David Foster. For the tortured-soul-of-a-music-industry-professional charade that was the CBC doc on "Tears Are Not Enough." (baad memories, they wouldn't stop showing it either)

David Foster. For getting the order of Canada when Joey Shithead remains bereft.

David Foster. For looking like David Hasselhoff on his first solo album.

I mean, we all know it's really C. D. Howe, but nonetheless...David Foster!


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This thread should not include those who became known only after they committed horrific acts. It should be about those who committed horrific acts while being known to the public.

My vote is Mulroney. As I mention in the Greatest Canadian thread

If Stephen Harper were Prime Minister, I'm sure that he would have given us many more reasons to vote him #1.


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I think the criterion should be people who reasonnably should have known better, or who were in fact aware that what they were doing would not be popular with most Canadians. Céline Dion has never said one bad word about Canada and I doubt these murderers were giving much thought to their reputations either.

Otherwise, this will just be a thread on Canadians we hate.


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Hephaestion
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posted 28 April 2004 10:54 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What if they knew most Canadians would agree with them, even though they knew (or suspected) if was the wrong thing to do?

ie: Trudeau and the War Measures Act


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posted 28 April 2004 11:25 AM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Alan Eagleson.

Sullied finance of Canada's premier sport.


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Wow! Its easier to come up with a hundred great Canadians than worst Canadians - I think that says something.... But here goes..

Worst Canadian Couple: Bernardo and Homolka
Worst Canadian Trio: Jim Keegstra, Doug Christie and Gary Botting
Worst Canadian Singer: Celine Dion closely followed by Anne Murray
Most Embarrassing Canadian: Jim Carrey
Non-Canadian I would most Like out of Canada: Ernst Zundle

[ 28 April 2004: Message edited by: kuba ]


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Brian Mulroney, father of Free Trade Disaster.
John A. MacDonald, father of patronage.
Robert Borden
Jim Keegstra
Ralph Klein
Stockwell Day
Preston Manning...also most laughable

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I dunno about John A. Macdonald, at least for that particular reason. Patronage was around in Canada (or I guess British North America back then?) looooong before he was around, as far back at the 18th century, and before then.

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beverly
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hmmmm MacDonald now, I just read something about how he screwed up the Louis Riel fiasco.
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Criteria for deciding worst Canadian.

I think the first criteria must be the effect on Canadians as a whole.

In that sense the murderers and singers and whatnot don't really qualify. They may be real bad people, but they are not bad in a specific Canadian sense.

The worst Canadian has to have damaged Canada to some degree.

Given that, Brian Mulroney has to be near the top of the list for his give away of Canadian resources in FTA and NAFTA, the increase in the national debt, and the cutbacks to services.

Robin Hood in reverse, he robbed from the poor and gave to the rich.

The future damage to this country caused by the loss of control of energy resources can only be imagined.

Because we are required to export a minimum 50% of our oil and gas to the US, for every barrel of oil we discover for ourselves we have to find another barrel for the US.

That deal is just unconscionable.

So I'll put Brian Mulroney in the "Bottom 10" of worst Canadians.


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Jean Chretien belongs by virtue of negligence for Canada's well-being, and Paul Martin is Mulroney in Red, so there's our three top worst Canadians.
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William Shatner
Mike Harris
Matthew Perry
Stockwell Day

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Kaitlin Stocks
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I can't believe you guys... The dude at the bottom of project fiddle in Saskatchewan was NOT Grant Devine... He was just a folksy figure head for the scheme. The guy you want on your list is Eric Bernston. Jailbird-Senator supremo.

As for worst musical act... Celine Dion def. gets my vote. Closley followed by Anne Murray and Avril Lavigne...


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Gordon Campbell

He makes Mike Harris look nicer and dispite Steven Harper's evil looking face, bush-loving, and support for Albertian separtism (firewall manifesto), who the fuck cuts drug cover for the old, kicks single moms off welfare and cuts hospital workers salaries by 15%, during a surplus and good economic times. He wants make the rich as rich as possible cause he knows him and his party will not get elected again until hell freezes over. GENERAL STRIKE! GENERAL STRIKE!


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Hey, Mr. Trudo...your name appeared next to the name of the thread...I was going to agree....
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Irshad Manji.
Not the worst. But, until recently the smarmiest most patronizing bitch to whom I'd ever had to listen.

Every time she sneered her little " I'm better than you because I'm a Muslim Lesbian Feminazi"sneer while answering a simple question with a masters thesis, I wanted to smack her so hard, her kids would be born dizzy.


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quote:
Originally posted by MikeFromKingston:
Irshad Manji.

Um, I wish you hadn't put it in so sexist a manner and the "feminazi" comment is out of bounds. It's so easy to object to Manji without doing so in an objectionable manner.

Anyone see her commentary on the National a few weeks ago? She's become such a cheerleader for American intervention its unbelievable. You'd think that when other "liberal internationlists" like Michael Ignatieff do an about face and say they were wrong to support the invasion of Iraq a year ago she'd be forced to pause and rethink her view but the more she talks the more she seems to convince herself that the west can impose liberal democracy.

Oh, wait a second. Here it is:

quote:
Taking pre-emptive action

April 28, 2004

Pre-emptive action, get them before they get us. That was the doctrine promoted by U.S. President George W. Bush in the lead up to the Iraqi invasion.

A lot of Canadians and Americans took issue with that approach. They still do, which has only made the criticisms hurled by Bush's former advisor on counterterrorism, Richard Clarke, that much more sweet for Bush bashers. After all, he's busting "dubbya."

If you actually read the book or pay attention to his interviews, you see that what Clarke in indicting is not the fact that Bush believes in pre-emptive action, but that Bush didn't believe enough in pre-emptive action during the early days of his administration. If Richard Clarke had his way, Bin Laden's training camps would have been bombed well before September 11th. International public opinion be damned! The president's job is to protect America's national security, Clarke says, and more than one president failed by being reactive rather than proactive.

Richard Clarke's book is flying off the shelves in Canada, and booksellers are telling me that Bush haters are among the primary customers. Good. They're the audience that needs to hear Clarke's argument most that sometimes you have to employ hard power to prevent the gathering storm of mass brutality.

And now is the time to remind ourselves of that principle because the Taliban has been making something of a comeback in Afghanistan. To be sure, a new constitution introduces women's rights and independent courts on paper. In reality, though, a warlord named Ishmael Khan has revived the ultra-creepy department of vice and virtue, the Taliban's morality police. These guys enforce strict segregation between girls and boys, they mock freedom of the press, they ban poetry readings, they beat women who have the tenacity to start their own civic associations, and they murder civilians.

Days ago, the Taliban killed five aid workers in Kabul. Aid workers! Does the Taliban resurgence mean that Bush should bomb Afghanistan again? Maybe not. But it does cry for a bigger foreign military presence at least until local police can be trained to snuff out the terrorists.

Of course the arrival of more U.S. soldiers would only trigger those who are salivating to condemn Bush as a congenital warmonger, occupier, imperialist.. Fear of public opinion is precisely why Bush's predecessor, Bill Clinton, waited to use military force to stop the genocide against Muslims and Croats in Bosnia. Over and over again, in an earnest desire for international approval, Clinton blinked. By the time he opened his eyes, thousands of innocent lives were lost needlessly.

The same could easily happen again in Afghanistan, but also in western Sudan where even the U.N. has acknowledged that native blacks are being slaughtered by Arab militias. I doubt we'll see American troops posted to Sudan despite that country's plethora of oil because these days Bush doesn't have the political capital to do the right thing thanks to the collective will of people like me and you.

For Canadians then, the issue is not how should we feel about Bush. We're entitled to dislike him, even despise him. The more challenging issue is how should we feel about human rights and, at least in the case of Afghanistan, do we feel strongly enough to support the U.S. in defending human rights against those who would like to see us dead too? I know where I stand. To paraphrase Richard Clarke, it's not just an important priority. It's an urgent one.

For The National, I'm Irshad Manji.


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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
The easy and obvious choice is Brian Mulroney.

Are we supposed to give this a lot of thought and consideration?

OK, on second thought, and after much sober deliberation, I vote for Myron Baloney.


I think Ben Mulroney is pretty close. As far as his "columns" in the Sun go it's pretty obvious he's just his dad's sock puppet.

When you look at Ben Mulroney you get everything you hate about pater PLUS Canadian Idol and other putrid tv gigs.

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The thing is : Irshad Manji MADE being a Feminazi so much a part of her persona:

She was the one being objectionable, not I.
Sorry if I offended you, but I just found her very smarmy and far too holier than thou when she first came onto the scene.


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I've decided to be more serious on Babble. Let's see how long that lasts.

Feminazi is a useless term. It doesn't mean anything, beyond implying that a woman who's forceful, aggressive, assertive or even hateful in her rhetoric is like a Nazi. It's an ineloguent use of language. And it is sexist, and I'm not just being PC here.


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I agree. And besides, it's a favourite of Rush Limbaugh -- that is, an offence against rational thought.
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quote:
The thing is : Irshad Manji MADE being a Feminazi so much a part of her persona:

Feminazi is a made up term used to bash feminists, militant she may be but you used the term feminazi which is not accepted around here. But my guess is that you already know that don't you Casanova? Do say hi to Pity Sing for us.

quote:
She was the one being objectionable, not I.
Sorry if I offended you, but I just found her very smarmy and far too holier than thou when she first came onto the scene.

Plenty of babblers would agree with this aspect of your critisim and you could have just left it at that.


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posted 14 May 2004 11:57 AM      Profile for MikeFromKingston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, to all:

Mea culpa.

I was wrong using that term.It was ill thought out and sent off before I thought it over.

please forgive me.
PLEASE!!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by MikeFromKingston:
The thing is : Irshad Manji MADE being a Feminazi so much a part of her persona:

She was the one being objectionable, not I.
Sorry if I offended you, but I just found her very smarmy and far too holier than thou when she first came onto the scene.


Yes, she is smarmy, condescending and holier than thou and it's fine to call her on that but to use the Limbaugh-coined term "feminazi" is to imply those are feminist traits.

Edited to add: Just saw your apology. Glad you've come around.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
Adam Yoshida- he likes to pretend he is an American in virtually every article he writes.

And a grateful Canadian nation thanks him for that small courtesy.


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posted 14 May 2004 01:12 PM      Profile for MikeFromKingston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not a matter of "coming around", it's a matter of realizing that my original comments were not articulated in the way I wished them to be.
Still, glad to be here and glad I've figured out the ground rules.

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posted 14 May 2004 01:49 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
sometimes you have to employ hard power to prevent the gathering storm of mass brutality... in an earnest desire for international approval, Clinton blinked
If she limited herself to Richard Clarke's book, and chose to read no other sources of information on U.S. foreign policy, those absurd opinions would be the natural result. The U.S. is historically too timid in international affairs, and has allowed itself to be brutalized. But this is how you get invited to share your insights on the National.

The thing is, there are ways to argue for humanitarian intervention in Afghanistan and elsewhere that do not require such fantasies about the U.S. That aspect of the argument is not necessary to make the case--in fact, it weakens it. Because, by her logic, Washington's victims worldwide have every right to "employ hard power to prevent (more) mass brutality" against them...perhaps by attacking Washington. The idea that the U.S. is generally concerned about world opinion regarding intervention in other countries, while not making the case for humanitarian action, does reveal either an astonishing ignorance (given how easy it is to get at the facts), or willing mystification. Either way, sharing this reasoning on the National is a profound disservice to so many innocents, and so it is, in fact, immoral.

I know I'm arguing the obvious, shouting at the converted. Sorry. I yell at the TV, too.


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posted 21 October 2004 02:57 AM      Profile for Captain Cowpunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Choosing 'The Greatest" anything is foremost a value judgement, and will always be divisive...

A better question is: Who is The Most Embarrassing Canadian?

Visit http://www.airenet.com/TheLazyK/TMECIntro.htm to nominate an embarrassing Canadian, and to vote for your favorite!

Why tear the nation apart quibbling over greatness...let's unite the nation in self-deprecation.


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my "worst" list:
- Wilfred Laurier
- Stephen Harper
- Brian Mulroney
- Ralph Klein

i'll think of others later, I'm sure


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For the history buffs, how about Joseph Willcocks?
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posted 21 October 2004 04:26 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
Jacques Parizeau? Haughty, and no friend of the working class, but I can think of far worse. Your Quebec-bashing is showing.

What, disliking a Quebec politician is inherently Quebec-bashing?

I think Maurice Duplessis was one of the biggest assholes who ever graced the public stage in Canada; I think Mario Dumont is a pindicked weasel; and if Céline Dion were to snap in two and blow away I would cry tears of happiness. Does this make me anti-Quebec?

Was the poster anti-Toronto for not liking mental midget Mel?


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posted 21 October 2004 04:28 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
Feminazi is a made up term used to bash feminists, militant she may be but you used the term feminazi which is not accepted around here.

Why aren't you allowed to critize feminism? Can you critize capitalism, or communism, or fascism, or cynicism, or antidisestablishmentarianism?

Is there a list of sacred cows and dead horses somewhere that a body can consult? I'd like to know what you are and are not allowed to say/write.


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posted 21 October 2004 04:36 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man, you're resurrecting little snits from ages ago, Pebbles.

In any case, you don't "criticise" feminism by using the term feminazi. End of story. Otherwise, no one will like you and want to talk nicely to you and eventually, you will be so tormented by your detractors that you will have an emotional ketchup burst and flounce out or get banned.

And who wants that?


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posted 21 October 2004 04:48 PM      Profile for Gentlebreeze     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fitz:
For the history buffs, how about Joseph Willcocks?

Absolutely.

Nothing classier than burning down your hometown.


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posted 21 October 2004 04:50 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
Hahahahahhahahahahahha...

"...an emotional ketchup burst"?!?! WTH is that?!?!



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posted 21 October 2004 04:51 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie:

And a grateful Canadian nation thanks him for that small courtesy.


Touché

But really, if I were to take his writings seriously, it's hard for me not to come to the conclusion that he is the literal personification of evil.

Though admittedly, he did seem almost human a few times on FD (but that was only when discussing non-poltical topics).


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posted 21 October 2004 04:56 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by pebbles:
Why aren't you allowed to critize feminism?
You are allowed to criticize feminism. It is the completely unfounded comparison to Naziism that is frowned upon.

In case you are still having trouble making the distinction, "Feminism is a social theory and political movement primarily informed and motivated by the experience of women. While generally providing a critique of social relations, many proponents of feminism also focus on analyzing gender inequality and the promotion of women's rights, interests, and issues". On the other hand, "Nazism is the totalitarian ideology of the dictatorship which ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945: the 'Third Reich'. In this ideology, the German nation and the purported "Aryan" race were considered superior to all other races. Nazism is usually associated with Fascism and Totalitarianism." The Nazis slaughtered millions, while the feminists slaughtered, er, uh, well, around none.

The term is nothing more than a smear, and says nothing about feminism but much about the intellectual level those who use it.

We could rush around using terms like "ConservaNazi", "RepubliNazi" and so on, but the right has so completely cornered the market on Being Dickheads, that there's almost no room left for us there.

[ 21 October 2004: Message edited by: Albireo ]


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Since this thread has been resurrected, allow me to add the Byfields, Ted and his son (Missing) Link. I'm inordinately proud it went on so long and no one but me thought of them until now.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
you will be so tormented by your detractors that you will have an emotional ketchup burst

And who wants that?


Um, me? I don't mean I want to see pebbles have one, but it really does sound like something I'd want to see.


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posted 21 October 2004 05:19 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Since this thread has been resurrected, allow me to add the Byfields, Ted and his son (Missing) Link.

The ranks of Canadian journalism seem especially rife with potential candidates:
Paul Jackson
Mark Steyn
margaret Wente
and, of course, the ever excreable Leah Mclaren.

I would also like to add Bobby Clarke and Bible Bill Aberhart's names to the list.


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posted 21 October 2004 05:39 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gordon Campbell
Ujjal Dosanjh
Glen Clark
Mike Harcourt
Rita Johnston
Will Vander Zalm

I'm beginning to see a pattern...

Also:
Ralph Klein
Brian Mulroney
Stompin Tom Connors


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quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
You are allowed to criticize feminism. It is the completely unfounded comparison to Naziism that is frowned upon.

I would even frown upon it; but why should it be verboten to go over the top and use the word "feminazi"?

Should I also be worried about my use of the word "Repugnican"?

quote:
We could rush around using terms like "ConservaNazi", "RepubliNazi" and so on, but the right has so completely cornered the market on Being Dickheads, that there's almost no room left for us there.

Dickheads! Blatant sexism!

Does that make obnoxious lefties, I dunno, clits or something?


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quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
[QBemotional ketchup burst[/QB]

Don't care for any kind of ketchup, myself. More of a mustard person.


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posted 21 October 2004 05:51 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stomp'in Tom??? Hold on there Tex! Without the illustrious Mr. Connors, how would we ever know what goes on in Sudbury on a Saturday night? How would we know who has the cargo, and who has the rig?
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Emotional ketchup burst was coined by Douglas Coupland in Generation X...a book I read back when I was a member of generation X, but sadly, am no longer. Apparently, according to target-market theory, one now moves out of generations and is no longer of them. Except for yuppies, who will still be yuppies (and obnoxious) 2 weeks after they're dead. Seriously, they're even having obnoxious funerals. But anyway, I like it because it embodies the overwrought emotionality that characterises the mostly trivial concerns of moneyed Westerners.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
Except for yuppies, who will still be yuppies (and obnoxious) 2 weeks after they're dead. Seriously, they're even having obnoxious funerals.

Only two weeks?

I think they're also having obnoxious burials, graves, and afterlives.


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Yes, Duplessis for allowing orphans to be used as guinea pigs in CIA mind control experiments in the 50's. Tut-tut for ignoring the Nuremberg code, you-gas.

John A. McDonald was a miserable old bass turd. I think he had his political opponents offed. He had Riel hung for treason. He was standing on the platform of a train caboose one time and drunker than Ralph Klein during a regular day in parliament. The press cornered Sir John and asked him to comment on Darcy MaGee, his opponent at the time. Mc-A said something aboot MaGee making him want to throw up. And he did just that...tossed his liquid lunch off the back of the train. Magee was popular at the time but died of unnatural causes. John A is a definite possible.

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For his undying commitment to fascism and imperialism: George Jonas.
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Do you get George Jonas out west? Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't know anyone west of the Main (St Laurent) had ever heard of him, let alone read his trash. Unless you came across his work while in Chicoutimi...
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quote:
Originally posted by chimo:
my "worst" list:
- Wilfred Laurier

Why Laurier? I've always considered PMs like King to be worse when it comes to discrimination and racism.


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posted 21 October 2004 11:10 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not Wilfred (as in "Wilfred Day"), it's Wilfrid (as in "Wilfrid Laurier").

Yeah, he was vastly overrated and way too in love with the Americans.


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posted 21 October 2004 11:25 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, great, Piatkowski. Little Canadiens like myself learned that Laurier was our first confederatorial hero. Now you claim he was one of the worst Canadians?

...feh on your revisionism. Next you'll be telling me there's no Santa Claus.

Do you simply hate everyone who was ever a Liberal, ever?


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posted 21 October 2004 11:29 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm going to presume that you were being deliberately over the top.

I didn't say he was one of the worst Canadians (scroll up). I merely said that he was overrated and pro-American. And I couldn't hate someone whose name is on my degree


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It's true you didn't say it, but I think the "yeah" ended up coming across as agreement with chimo that he was worthy of inclusion on the worst list.

No great harm done. He probably didn't read the thread before it was clarified.


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quote:
I'm going to presume that you were being deliberately over the top.

You presume wrong. I hate you, Scott...you're the worst Canadian...EVER!

...


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posted 22 October 2004 12:32 AM      Profile for mary123     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The worst Canadians are Canadian neo cons for wishing Canada was more like the United States in every way.

Canadian neo cons should be properly labelled as traitors to Canada for wishing to turn our unique and impossibly great country into a 2-bit cheesy American version with no universal healthcare.

Honourable mention for worst Canadians also goes to Quebec separatists for wishing to divide and damage my great country.

Shame on both.


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They don't consider themselves Canadian in the first place.
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They were the first people to call themselves Canadian, and got tired of it when it meant arguing with the other about the beauty of processed cheese sandwiches and refuting how the French were always shoving their tongues down other peoples throats. Also, the crap about people not showering and being stinky wafting up from the great asylum to the South didn't help.

It just became too much work. Frankly, I don't blame them one bit.


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Colin Thatcher and his dad Ross
Stephen Harper and the whole rabid crew
Brian Mulroney
All the Bills who have inhabited BC legislature
WAC Bennett
Grant Devine
Ralph Klein

Note to Fidel, MacDonald and MaGee were opposing Masonic lodges that were battling for the control of Canada.


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Didn't know that. Weren't they both Orangemen ?. And there was a political pledge to purge Metis and Francophones west of the Red River .. or something like that.

cheers!


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I'd like to see citations for the Macdonald-M'Gee statements.
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Well, there was a significant, and historical, breakdown between the Grand Lodge in London and the Grand Lodge in Glasglow, that had to be repaired before they got going on the creation of Canada.

quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
Didn't know that. Weren't they both Orangemen ?. And there was a political pledge to purge Metis and Francophones west of the Red River .. or something like that.

cheers!



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Feel free to ask all you want, however, from my prior experiences with you here at Babble, you are long on asking and short on providing. As such, you will get no effort spent by me providing you with anything other than general directions to look in.

So, if you have access to the Masonic Encyclopedias you can find much there, or you can research historical archives of newspapers.

quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
I'd like to see citations for the Macdonald-M'Gee statements.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gentlebreeze:

Absolutely.

Nothing classier than burning down your hometown.


Ah, but how many people here have the slightest clue who Willcocks is? Or Newark for that matter?


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Canada's Benidict Arnold, only worse and Niagra on the Lake
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Although I don't believe he will be the winner, I'll nominate Marcus Gee.

He should at least be somewhere in the top (bottom) 100.

He bangs the drum constantly for the US in his columns. In the run up to the Iraq invasion, he harped on the 'weapons of mass destruction' without end.

The other day in his column, he finally agreed that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake (without apologizing for his own role is spreading the lies).

However, he went on to say that those who opposed the invasion (and want the US to withdraw) have the duty to provide a plan for disengagement.

Sorry Marcus, but those who lied time after time in an effort to sway popular opinion have a duty to figure a way out themselves.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Shania Twain, an embarrassment to the world.

However bad Celine and Anne are, at least they can sing.


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Preston Manning
Margaret Wente
Adrien Arcand
Ralph Klein
Mike Harris
Maurice Duplessis
Conrad Black
Gerald Bull
Alan Eagleson
Doug Christie

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oh yeah, nobody's mentioned conrad black yet...
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Do you get George Jonas out west? Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't know anyone west of the Main (St Laurent) had ever heard of him, let alone read his trash. Unless you came across his work while in Chicoutimi...

Yeah, I used to see Jonas' column back when I was growing up in Edmonton, but I can't remember in which outlet. Perhaps the Southam papers? I even knew that he had once been married to Barabera Amiel.

Nice to see all the Sir John A. bashing. I'd thought that there was a veritable cult of the old guy among nationalist leftists in Canada. Perhaps I had mistaken the rhetoric of David Orchard with a major tendency on the left. Mind you, I know I've read other things praising MacDonald by some pretty big names in progressive circles.

[ 24 October 2004: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]


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George Jonas was already a well-known poet in the 1960s, and was a CBC TV producer for many years (I assume he's retired now, but I don't know). He dreamt up and produced, eg, that series on Canadian legal cases that was presented by Eddie Greenspan.

He was also Barbara Amiel's second husband, and is still close to the Blacks. He publishes regularly in the Southam papers, I should think (I stopped reading them two years ago).

[ 24 October 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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quote:
George Jonas was already a well-known poet in the 1960s

That's right. In fact, some of his poems were anthologized in the OXFORD BOOK OF CANADIAN VERSE, edited by Margaret Atwood.


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A vote for Harold Ballard (all the other good ones have been identified).

A second vote for Elizabeth Nickson at the National Post for blaming forest fires on environmentalists.


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Gordon Campbell
Brian Mulrooney
Preston Manning
Stockwell Day
Randy White
WAC Bennett
Grant Devine
Mike Harris
John A. Macdonald
Robert Milton
Conrad Black
Izzy Asper
Any and All Zionists

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Christie Blatchford
Rosie D'ommano
and at least half of the rest that have ever written for the Sun newspapers, whether they have moved on to other papers or not.

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quote:
Originally posted by voice of the damned:

Nice to see all the Sir John A. bashing. I'd thought that there was a veritable cult of the old guy among nationalist leftists in Canada. Perhaps I had mistaken the rhetoric of David Orchard with a major tendency on the left. Mind you, I know I've read other things praising MacDonald by some pretty big names in progressive circles.

I always thought he was very progressive socially, for the day anyway. I think he wanted to give women & natives the vote, for example. I would say the railway policies of his governments really laid the groundwork for the US takeover which started in ~1914 though.

[ 24 October 2004: Message edited by: chimo ]


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Macdonald did give Indians the vote in 1885. The bill was first introduced a week before the North West Rebellion started; as Minister of Indian Affairs, Macdonald defended it and it was passed with wome changes in July 1885. It applied to eastern Indians with the same property qualifications as white men. In 1898 the Liberals took away the Indians' franchise. [from article by Donald B. Smith; if anyone wants the reference let me know.]

Macdonald did some good and some ill, but we would not have a country without him.


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so the natives got the vote when MacDonald was around, the Liberals took it away, and then they had to wait until Dief to get it again? I've never heard of that; I always thought that MacDonald wanted to give them vote but never did for whatever reason.
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posted 26 October 2004 10:39 AM      Profile for Biger Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
-Svend Robinson: always gives a reason to dislike the left
-Jean Chrétien: a man who shat on the west over and over again.
-Carolyn Parish: helped destroy Canada US relations.
-Henry Morgentaler: I don’t care where you stand on abortion, the man is a prick.

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-Ralph Klein: He hates teachers and shits all over the less fortunate.
-Ezra Levant: Shut yer yap, Ezra!
-Gordon Campbell: For drinking and driving; clearly he doesn't care for the welfare of others.
-Harold Ballard: He traded Russ Courtnall for a bunch of broken hockey sticks. The demon must be exorcised!

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Joseph Wilcocks, what a dirty rat. Never heard of him before.
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Julian Fantino - queer-bashing racist shill for the PC thug lobby.

Moses Znaimer - pseudo-intellectual snake-oil salesman.

Whoever put that damn easter egg in Vegreville Alberta. It's an eyesore.


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quote:
Originally posted by gopi:
Moses Znaimer - pseudo-intellectual snake-oil salesman.

And fraud artist, with his tax scam getting a cultural property credit for porno mags and condom wrappers.


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posted 26 October 2004 05:55 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Biger Willy:
-Jean Chrétien: a man who shat on the west over and over again.

how so?

quote:

-Carolyn Parish: helped destroy Canada US relations.

You're giving her way too much credit. Who in the US even knows who she is?


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- Mike Harris (Guy Giorno very close tie)
- Ralph Klien
- Christie Blachford
- Barbara Amiel (wasn't she Canadian?)
- Conrad Black
- Preston Manning and all of his lot
- The CDN speech writer for Bush
- Tony Clement
- Julian Fantino
- Norm Gardner

This list can be endless.....


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posted 27 October 2004 03:33 PM      Profile for Biger Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What did Tony Clement do?
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Is Susan Martinek that front woman from the Fraser Institute, or is it Suzanne Walters?

While I am at it Michael Walker. And I wonder if he is a cousin of George Walker Bush?

[ 27 October 2004: Message edited by: remind ]


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What did Tony Clement do?

Ah, Tony "Two Tier" Clement, vapid stooge for corporate health care. It took three defeats within one year, but he's finally gone. I hear that some species of fleas require three doses before they're eraticated too.


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quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
You are allowed to criticize feminism. It is the completely unfounded comparison to Naziism that is frowned upon.

Actually, I think he was trying to make the word Feminism sound similar to Paparazzi instead of Nazism.

KNR


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No one has nominated the corrupt Newfoundlander Premier Joey Smallwood, who made all sorts of promises to the Outporters for their support for joining Canada in 1949, and then broke them all by betraying the Outporters by their forced resettlement.

As for the rest, I nominate:

First the Murderors:

Paul Binardo
Clifford Olsen
Willy Picton (why isnt his Brother in Jail too???)

Policticians:

Brian Mulroney
Joey Smallwood (aforementioned)
Jacques Parizeau
Lyon Mackenzie King (in 1938, after a trip to
Germany, he was stated as saying that
Adolf Hitler was someone the World
could Trust and Work with).
Renee Laveques

Now, the Miscellaneous:

The Donnellys (Hated so much, an entire town
raised a lynch mop who shot and burned
them all).
Alan Eagleson
Conrad Black
NHL President Clarence S. Campbell (ever see the
Documovie: "Net Worth"???)
John Diefenbacher (For cancelling the Avro Arrow
Project. We would now be a Superpower
if that project had not be cancelled).
Alfonso Gagliano (The Chief Beaucrat who made the
Federal Liberals look bad by causing
the Sponsorship Scandal to happen).


Ki No Ronin


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posted 28 October 2004 01:02 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sam Hughes
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Paul Bernardo!!
Sorry he's a murderer...

But I must step up to defend my name!! JC wasn't the worst cdn ever I don't think.. He had times where he wasn't great.. but he did do good things as well.. He did manage to bring our country back from the depths of hell!! IE deficit and debt.. YOu may not agree with all his methods. but how much healthcare and education can you have when your economey colapses like Argentina..

[ 28 October 2004: Message edited by: jean chretien ]


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He did manage to bring our country back from the depths of hell!! IE deficit and debt

And there is nothing closer to hell then IE with popup demons and spyware devils and ActiveX goblins and ...

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LOL.. get SP2.. Popup blocker included!!
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quote:
What did Tony Clement do?

He also fancies himself a rock review writer. Appropriately, he reviewed the Rock Against Bush disc. I think he gave it two guitar picks down.


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Stockwell Day and Preston Manning are wonderful men despite the fact that I disagree politically with them. Stockwell Day is a very nice personable gentleman.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:
Stockwell Day and Preston Manning are wonderful men despite the fact that I disagree politically with them. Stockwell Day is a very nice personable gentleman.

I don't know Mr. Day, but I have met Mr. Manning on several occassions. I agree that he is a very personable man. He's also wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:
Stockwell Day and Preston Manning are wonderful men despite the fact that I disagree politically with them. Stockwell Day is a very nice personable gentleman.

And the fact that he's a viciously homophobic bigot doesn't matter a bit, does it?

It's a good thing you refuse to meet people. You're an appalling judge of character.


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my vote is for colin thatcher

that being said although i find him reprehensible and morally bankrupt for killing his wife the way he did. i would really like to meet him and ask him one question..

WHY?

here was a rich politician where the sky was the limit....


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- Brian Mulroney (for destroying Canada)
- Jean Chretien (for campaigning on a promise to stop destroying Canada and then destroying Canada)
- George Brown (for being a Liberal and a union-buster)
- Conrad Black (for Pride, Envy, Gluttony and Greed)
- Colin Thatcher (pure evil)

I'd tip the hat to Mulroney as the overall winner.


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quote:
Originally posted by Burns:
I'd tip the hat to Mulroney as the overall winner.

I can understand why people would pick Mulroney, but I would say all he did was formalise the already-existing Canada/USA relationship when we got the FTA/NAFTA. The country would have been destroyed anyway if what had been going on had been allowed to continue, FTA/NAFTA only accellerated the process.


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quote:
that being said although i find him reprehensible and morally bankrupt for killing his wife the way he did. i would really like to meet him and ask him one question..

WHY?



What if he said "Because."

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posted 30 October 2004 03:41 AM      Profile for saskganesh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
David Frum. of course.

also:

Marcus Gee.
Margaret Wendt.
Rex Blowhard Murphy.
Ezra Levant.

Don Cherry doesn't even make the cut here.


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quote:
Originally posted by miles:
my vote is for colin thatcher

that being said although i find him reprehensible and morally bankrupt for killing his wife the way he did. i would really like to meet him and ask him one question..

WHY?

here was a rich politician where the sky was the limit....


actually, the rumour is that his son killed her in some sort of hamlet-type revenge fantasy... i dont know if this angle was thoroughly investigated (surely it was?), but i did read Thatcher's book, and their son was MIA at the time of the killing.

so if this theory is true, then Thatcher is currently just playing his scripted role in the coverup. which might explain his nonadmission of guilt. being a "good" father is very important to him.


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Oh my God, I forgot to include Mark Lapine in my list.

Oh well, better late than never.

KNR


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non-canadian i'd love to kick out of canada, Paul Celluci
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P’Tachk! Worst Canadians!? There seems to be more lousy Canadians around than the entire Ferengis species

Brian Mukroney
Gordie Goosestepper Campbell
Bill Bennett
Kim Campbell
Paul Martin
Stockwell Day
CONRAD BLACK
PETER BROWN
RB IRON HEEL BENNETT
PETER POCKLINGTON
ALL OF THE HEADS OF CORPORATE CANADA, ESPECIALLY THE DRIPS OF THE FRASER INSTITUTE

The list goes on and on and on and on......

I suppose I should add all of the members of the thankfully defunct band Lover Boy and also the idiot or idiots who decided to expand the city of Richmond into a huge municipality entirely on soft river delta sand in a high-risk earthquake zone.


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yankcanuck
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posted 17 November 2004 04:54 AM      Profile for yankcanuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Portrait of Barbara Amiel Black and her friend Hon. Unity Valkyrie Mitford here:

http://tinyurl.com/5hghf

[ 17 November 2004: Message edited by: yankcanuck ]


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Puetski Murder
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posted 17 November 2004 05:21 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do Leah McLaren and Becky Eckler count as one or two people? I know they each own half a brain so...

Actually, I can cop to this: I'm so insanely jealous of Leah McLaren that I can accurately be construed as "being jus jellus cos I'm 1 of dem haterz".

Where do you sign up to get jobs the consist of writing about your vapid life?? Help, I need one!


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Hinterland
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posted 17 November 2004 05:33 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Do Leah McLaren and Becky Eckler count as one or two people? I know they each own half a brain so...

*snick*...It reminds of when Rick Salutin mentionned in his column both the Globe's Ibbitson and the Post's Iverson and said "yeah, I know....It's like Dupont and Dupond."


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Ki No Ronin
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posted 26 November 2005 11:55 AM      Profile for Ki No Ronin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am totally Loving watching the News and seeing how badly Ruined Conrad Black has become!

I do hope that Asshole gets some time in Jail.

Ki No Ronin


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Ichy Smith
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posted 26 November 2005 12:12 PM      Profile for Ichy Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Izzy Asper for his editorial support of the LPC

Jean Chretien for his unending lying to Canadians

Paul martin for closing all the tax havens for Canadians except for the one he was personally using.

John Diefenbaker for Killing the Arrow

Lester b Pearson for just being a putz

Chuck Guite for just being chuck Guite

The Crown Prosecutor in the Bernardo Case for being just plain stupid.

The Ontario NDP for not making Peter Kormos Premier of Ontario.

Walt Lastewka for his faith based votes in the house of Commons

The mayor of Toronto for that recent Pay Raise he and the councillors should not have got.

Justice Gomery for not lynching Pauly Pockets.

and finally Tim Horton for those bloody donut shops.


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anne cameron
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posted 26 November 2005 12:59 PM      Profile for anne cameron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dr. Ewen Cameron for his LSD experiments on helpless patients.
ALL the arstles who helped cancel the Avro Arrow.
Mulroney for NAFTA and general shitheadedness
Trudeau the wife-beating arrogant !@#$%


and the current government and opposition in provincial politics in B.C.


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Deep Dish
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posted 26 November 2005 02:37 PM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Colin Thatcher and his dad Ross

I have a degree in history and must say this is actually one hell of a good vote. Colin Thatcher, while not inflicting widespread societal harm like say Pol Pot is easily one of the most evil people I have ever come across. I get a chill when I see him on television.

Thatcher's lying, ego, and general level of contempt for anything good and decent is beyond anyone I have ever ecountered. I read one of his books "Backrooms" I think, and its one of the most chilling stories I have ever read. Colin Thatcher could not even portray himself in a sympathetic light.

This is to say nothing of his political career which I am too young to really remember.

Yet, him and his dad are loved in Moose Jaw.


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Rambler
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posted 26 November 2005 02:49 PM      Profile for Rambler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My next door neighbour. He's an asshole.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 26 November 2005 03:41 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Trudeau the wife-beating arrogant !@#$%
Where does this come from???

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kuri
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posted 26 November 2005 03:59 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ichy Smith:
and finally Tim Horton for those bloody donut shops.

Actually, you might was to blame his business partner, Ron Joyce. I understand he managed to keep most of the profits for himself, cutting out the Horton's family.


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jrootham
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posted 26 November 2005 04:07 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it's not quite like that.

His widow had a drinking problem and sold the business before it made a lot of money.


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kuri
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posted 26 November 2005 04:13 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay. The account I had read was by the widow.
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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 26 November 2005 05:44 PM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Deep Dish:

I have a degree in history and must say this is actually one hell of a good vote. Colin Thatcher, while not inflicting widespread societal harm like say Pol Pot is easily one of the most evil people I have ever come across. I get a chill when I see him on television.

Thatcher's lying, ego, and general level of contempt for anything good and decent is beyond anyone I have ever ecountered. I read one of his books "Backrooms" I think, and its one of the most chilling stories I have ever read. Colin Thatcher could not even portray himself in a sympathetic light.

This is to say nothing of his political career which I am too young to really remember.

Yet, him and his dad are loved in Moose Jaw.


Moose Jaw is definitely looney tunes far-right Saskatory heartland territory: Of course they'd love somebody like Colin Thatcher.

The only thing Moose Jaw was ever good for was subverting human fecal matter (by which I mean prohibitionists).


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posted 26 November 2005 06:10 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Deep Dish:
Thatcher's lying, ego, and general level of contempt for anything good and decent is beyond anyone I have ever ecountered. I read one of his books "Backrooms" I think, and its one of the most chilling stories I have ever read. Colin Thatcher could not even portray himself in a sympathetic light.

I remember watching part of a CBC movie about Colin Thatcher. What I saw of the portrayal had me wondering if Thatcher met the diagnostic criteria to be considered a psychopath.


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RANGER
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posted 28 November 2005 01:16 AM      Profile for RANGER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just had a couple come to mind, Rene Simard and that freak with the tools on the Canadian Tire commercials. (we didn't import him did we?)
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Boom Boom
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posted 28 November 2005 01:25 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, the Canadian Tire buffoon. Waxing enthusiastically often over some more useless junk. I _like_ Canadian Tire, but geez...
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kuri
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posted 28 November 2005 01:28 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I feel sorry for the poor Cdn. Tire. Everyone seems to hate him so much.

I don't own a TV. Maybe that's why I have no problem with the dude.


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posted 28 November 2005 01:40 AM      Profile for RANGER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't hate him but my kids get scared when he's on the tube.
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Ken Burch
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posted 28 November 2005 02:04 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most embarassing Canadian male singers:

Bryan Adams
Robert Goulet
William Shatner on "The Transformed Man"


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retread
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posted 28 November 2005 02:56 PM      Profile for retread     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, in recent times:

Pierre Trudeau - for amplifying regional tensions in Canada and creating a huge debt which later on made it hard to pay for a good social net (could have raised taxes to pay for it).
Brian Mulroney - for selling out the US (FTA) and amplifying the debt.
Jean Chretienne - for amplifying regional tensions, amplifying the sellout to the US, and reducing the debt by dismantling much of the social safety net ... he was a busy guy).
Paul Martin - (actually he hasn't been in long enough yet and too busy with the Gomery inquiry to do lasting damage as PM, so this is just a place holder for the moment ... though you could argue his work as finance minister might qualify, though I've already credited that to Chretienne).


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posted 28 November 2005 03:18 PM      Profile for tallyho        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The worse for national unity was Trudeau...he couldn't get his head around the idea that Canada is not 'two peoples' and never was and never will be. He was the cumulation of a false image by historians who glorified the mythical birth of the Dominion. Trudeau's 'fake history' ignored the fault lines that may one day break Canada apart.
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Ken Burch
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the worst for annoying redundancy is, of course, tallyho.
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posted 20 December 2005 02:42 PM      Profile for Woodford     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joey Smallwood....
worst guy to have ever lived in Canada. Quebec sure loves him, but.....

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CWW
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posted 25 December 2005 05:58 PM      Profile for CWW     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michael Coren! What a turd!
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solarpower
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posted 25 December 2005 06:52 PM      Profile for solarpower   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm agreeing on the Lord Conrad Black nomination.
Only because he's Canadian or not-canadian depending on what serves his purpose.

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jimmy james
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posted 07 August 2007 08:38 PM      Profile for jimmy james     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Might I suggest:
Carl Toft
William Shatner
Gradey Alexander
Brett Hull
Bran Van 3000(technically not one person but still pretty awful)

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abnormal
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posted 12 August 2007 11:32 AM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd have to go with Trudeau.

In addition to his direct actions he also set the stage for Chretien, possibly the most corrupt PM Canada has ever had (and that's saying a lot). Without PET setting the stage for him, the "little guy" wouldn't have made it.

Mulroney, I don't like. Period. And I do have to wonder what he was doing exchanging envelopes full of cash - I doubt we'll ever know. However, on the question of free trade, don't forget that an election was fought on this single question. And the Chin That Walks Like a Man won.


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quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

And the Chin That Walks Like a Man won.

And the majority of Canadian voters voted against Brian Baloney and his broken promises in 1988 not to enter into free trade talks with Warshington. The result was a phony conservative majority and FTA in 1989.

Canadian voters were so pissed off at the conservatives that they voted for the Liberals who purported themselves to be the most anti-FTA, anti-GST and anti-Baloney party. The NDP still won a record number of seats with Canadians voting "strategically" for the "Liberals." The result was yet another phony Liberal majority in 1993 and NAFTA the following year. Needless to say, voter turnouts in Canadian federal elections dropped significantly through the 1990's.

I think it's a tie between Brian Baloney and the Shawinigan Strangler for the Benedict Arnold of Canada award. And Paul Martin for most clueless head of one of the most corrupt Liberal governments ever to actually be caught with hands in the cookie jar. We can be sure our two old line parties have been on the take for several decades of power sharing in Ottawa.


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posted 12 August 2007 12:07 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Brian Mulroney, no contest.
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N.Beltov
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posted 12 August 2007 12:12 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
clersal: Brian Mulroney, no contest.

Agreed. Until another Conservative comes along that's even worse.

For example, our current Prime Minister could become the worst Canadian. Give him a majority and just watch the ensuing horrors.


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Fidel
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posted 12 August 2007 04:06 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay then, it's Brian Baloney over the Shawinigan Strangler by a dog's length.
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N.Beltov
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posted 12 August 2007 04:17 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Um, don't you mean ... by a chin, Fidel?
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Fidel
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Ha! Yes, if we stuffed'em both in a big sack filled with African cobras, it'd be a tossup whether the snakes could hold their own.
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