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Hephaestion
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posted 05 January 2006 05:38 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not like it's a huge secret ar anything

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A project funded by the British government to observe LGBT history month has outed actor Kevin Spacey.

Spacey, who won an Oscar for his starring role in "American Beauty" and who is now the artistic director of the Old Vic in London, has always been coy about his sexuality.

But until Thursday morning his name appeared prominently on the LGBT Web site that the Department of Education recommends teachers use as a learning resource. February is LGBT History Month. The project received a $35,000 grant from the government.

Spacey's name appears alongside Tennessee Williams, Oscar Wilde and other well known gays in the arts.

"It's a complete mistake," said organizer Paul Patrick. "We'd love to be able to explain how it happened, but we can't.

"We deeply apologize for the distress we've caused. It's the sort of thing we're totally against, and stupidly, we've ended up doing it ourselves."


It's too bad these people were such lamebrains, but maybe Spacey will find it's all for the best if he can just be open about who he is. Freedom, Kevin, freedom...

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Krazee Eyes
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posted 05 January 2006 06:34 PM      Profile for Krazee Eyes        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe he's be better off if he was just left alone.

I have never understood the strange obsession that social conservatives and some activists in the gay community have with exposing people as gay. The only difference is that one group does it to persecute and the other group does it to say "hey, he's one of us." Either way, you gotta leave people alone. If someone wants people to know they're gay, they tell them. It took me years to be open about it.


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posted 05 January 2006 07:26 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What social conservative has ever outed anyone?
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posted 05 January 2006 07:50 PM      Profile for Paul Gross   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Weren't Spongebob and Tinky Winky both outed by SoCons?
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Krazee Eyes
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posted 05 January 2006 07:59 PM      Profile for Krazee Eyes        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes they were.

Reality Bites, social conservatives out people all the time. In the US, they even out people who aren't gay. Not to mention that it is social conservatives who make our lives a living hell. Don't defend them RB.


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If they out people all the time, you should have no problem naming some.
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Krazee Eyes
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posted 05 January 2006 09:15 PM      Profile for Krazee Eyes        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know why you're tripping.
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posted 05 January 2006 09:20 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because you said something that simply isn't true - again.

Socons are VERY against outing. They like the closet and support it greatly.


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posted 05 January 2006 09:27 PM      Profile for Krazee Eyes        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What? That is ridiculous.
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posted 05 January 2006 09:45 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, it certainly is. You made a claim that, if it were true, you'd be able to back up easily.

You can't.

Ergo, you're full of it.


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posted 05 January 2006 10:25 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't care whether it's socons or people from the lgbt community outing -- it's a huge invasion of a someone's privacy. I agree with the statement that if Spacey wanted to let everyone know he's gay (and unless he's confirmed it, I'm happy to continue in ignorance of his orientation), he'd let people know himself.
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posted 05 January 2006 10:57 PM      Profile for Blink     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone else a Kevin Spacey fan? I love this guy.
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posted 05 January 2006 11:02 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to get in the middle of your fight, guys, but I gotta say, I've never heard of so-cons outing anybody either.

As for outing, it's something that almost never happens (on purpose) unless you're doing things like... supporting the enemies of gay people.

In those cases, you must understand your closet operates properly only insofar as other gay people will agree to keep your secret. That is, unless you're totally celibate and never tell anyone you're gay.

If you are obviously hurting the community, that willingness of other gay people to cooperate in your deception suddenly evaporates and you get outed-- and you deserve to be.

[ 05 January 2006: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]


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posted 05 January 2006 11:07 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From what I've read on Babble, I've come to the conclusion that the relevant thing is not so much who's doing the outing as who's being outed. There MAY be some purpose served by outing a person who publicly promotes homophobic hatred. But is Kevin Spacey a homophobic hatemonger? Not that I'm aware of. In which case, what do his sexual preferences matter to the larger public?
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What do Jennifer Anniston's?
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posted 05 January 2006 11:31 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know. Why Jennifer Aniston?
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posted 05 January 2006 11:38 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems to me we've spent a lot of time hearing about them, without her ever announcing her sexual orientation.
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posted 06 January 2006 12:26 AM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Gross:
Weren't Spongebob and Tinky Winky both outed by SoCons?
Brokeback Pineapple. Again! Brokeback Pineapple.

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Hephaestion
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posted 06 January 2006 03:34 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Makes no difference to me. Spacey is brlliant, and one of the all-time best films I've ever seen (and will continue to see) is The Usual Suspects.

Pssst: All you gals over 40 -- Rock Hudson was queer!

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posted 06 January 2006 03:57 AM      Profile for MartinArendt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Makes no difference to me. Spacey is brlliant, and one of the all-time best films I've ever seen (and will continue to see) is The Usual Suspects.

Pssst: All you gals over 40 -- Rock Hudson was queer!


True, true. Shouldn't make a difference.

At the same time, if Kevin Spacey DID decide to come out, well, I'd give him props.


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Hephaestion
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posted 06 January 2006 04:27 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MartinArendt:

True, true. Shouldn't make a difference.



... any more than the fact that straight heartthob "Rock" Hudson was queer, right? Or that David Nivin liked to take it up the ass? Or that this and that actor.. or even a big name honcho likr ... -- gasp! -- Michael Eisner was fired because... well... whatever. Disney's the "kingdom of 'make believe', after all.

Fuck, the charade mades me sick sometimes.

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stupendousgirlie
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posted 06 January 2006 08:18 AM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not really news and frankly, who cares? I am just looking forward with HUGE anticipation to seeing Spacey's spin as the evil Lex Luthor in Superman Returns. Pray he is not campy like Gene Hackman was.
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I've kind of been expecting something like his take on Dr. Evil on the Austin Powers movie-within-a-movie. But maybe not. Don't know how camp (if at all) the movie is going to be.
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posted 06 January 2006 09:25 AM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spacey rulez... Really got into him from "Swimming with the Sharks". Great movie, black comedy about Hollywood. Spacey plays a sadistic and cruel Hollywood-producer, who totally disregards and humiliates his assistent (played by Frank Whaley). I really pitied the assistent in a way I never felt sorry for someone in a movie before.
His roles in "The Usual Suspects", "Se7en", "LA Confidential", "The Negotiator", "American Beauty" and "K-PAX" (and all other great movies he played in) were all so diverse, yet so perfectly portrayed...

And something that should appeal to all Babblers: He also narrated the short movie "The Tower of Babble"


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Yst
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He plays such an incredible soft-spoken sociopath.

More Keven Spacey villains, I say!


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posted 06 January 2006 11:32 AM      Profile for Lazy Tony   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I appear to be in the minority here, but I tend to think that public figures whose sexuality is already an 'open secret' are contributing to homophobia by continuing to 'play coy' about their sexuality. When did you ever hear of a straight actor 'playing coy' with their sexuality?

By continuing to act like homosexuality is a shameful secret, actors like Spacey perpetuate the belief that being queer is a bad thing.


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posted 06 January 2006 12:31 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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By continuing to act like homosexuality is a shameful secret, actors like Spacey perpetuate the belief that being queer is a bad thing.


Maybe the man just wants to have a private life. I do not understand this curiosity whether someone is gay or not.
How will this knowledge change my life? sheesh


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posted 06 January 2006 12:38 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actors should be noticed for their acting, politicians for their legislation, athletes for their athleticism.
I don't get the fixation on a person's sexuality, frankly I really don't want to know. My sex life is private, I cherish it. I appreciate others sparing me the mental imagery that constant chatter about personal sexual practices one may participate in, brings to mind.
Gawd how does anyone ever get any work done?

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posted 06 January 2006 12:54 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And then, some of us middle-aged babblers have parents from the old school who would be hard-pressed to admit even that we might be HETEROSEXUAL...

Unless we're discussing a homophobe who has harmed gay people by his or her actions, it is absolutely nobody's business. I do hope that it will cease to be a concern and gay and lesbian people in all fields can live their lives as openly - or as privately - as any of us, gay or straight, may want to.

As I grow older and older
And totter towards the tomb
I find that I care less and less
Who goes to bed with whom...


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clersal
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posted 06 January 2006 12:58 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And then, some of us middle-aged babblers have parents from the old school who would be hard-pressed to admit even that we might be HETEROSEXUAL...

Does that bring back memories.


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posted 06 January 2006 01:05 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stupendousgirlie:
I am just looking forward ... to seeing Spacey's spin as ... Lex Luthor.... Pray he is not campy like Gene Hackman was.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout? Gene Hackman rocked as Lex Luthor!

"We all have our faults... Mine just happens to be in California."


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posted 06 January 2006 02:20 PM      Profile for Lazy Tony   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by faith:
I don't get the fixation on a person's sexuality, frankly I really don't want to know. My sex life is private, I cherish it. I appreciate others sparing me the mental imagery that constant chatter about personal sexual practices one may participate in, brings to mind.

This is so bogus. Like straight people don't wear wedding rings, don't talk about their partners, don't have pictures of their partners on their desk at work, etc. etc. This is heterosexual privilege. One could argue there is also a difference between privacy and active deception. Anyway, last I'll say about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
And then, some of us middle-aged babblers have parents from the old school who would be hard-pressed to admit even that we might be HETEROSEXUAL...

Yes, I have met Catholic closet sexuals who make it into their early twenties in that state. That is to say, closeted about the fact that they, like most members of their species, are biologically predisposed towards behaviours associated with sexuality of any sort. Happily, most come to terms with being sexuals over time. Some may even eventually meet other sexuals, and engage in sexual behaviour.


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Happily, most come to terms with being sexuals over time. Some may even eventually meet other sexuals, and engage in sexual behaviour.

Thank goodness you had me worried for a moment.

Lazy Tony did you really read what faith posted?
Nothing bogus.


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quote:
This is so bogus. Like straight people don't wear wedding rings, don't talk about their partners, don't have pictures of their partners on their desk at work, etc. etc. This is heterosexual privilege. One could argue there is also a difference between privacy and active deception. Anyway, last I'll say about it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------


I will respect your wish to not talk about this issue anymore so I don't really expect an answer but I would like to address your assumption that my views are 'bogus'.
What does wearing a wedding ring have to do with outing someone in an international forum, or publicly proclaiming your sexual preferences using national media sources?
I know lots of gay and lesbian couples that wear wedding rings, have pictures of loved ones around them, and live lives that are the same outwardly as anyone else, the only difference is they go through the motions of modern life with someone of the same gender.
I consider most sexuality to be as natural as breathing - we all do it, without it we wouldn't survive as a species, it is a fulfillment of our human existence. Why such a natural function of our humanity must be such a topic of concern when it is not relevant to the issue being discussed is beyond me.
If the issue is to make gay and lesbian youth more comfortable in a homophobic society by discussing great gay role models then sexuality is relevant to the discussion but this constant categorizing of people based on who they love is (IMO) just another way to divide people.
By the way, although I have been married for almost 30 years I don't wear a wedding ring.

[ 06 January 2006: Message edited by: faith ]


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I suppose I'm fortunate in that the two offices I've been working in outside the home these days have a strong gay presence - one is a production company run by two gay men (an old couple) and another a cultural association, also with gays among its leaders.

So there are certainly people working there who talk about their same-sex partners etc (I fear that photos of family members might be frowned upon as uncool in the "urban" environment, but that is another matter).

I'm very glad such progress has been made and hope the freedom to discuss one's love/personal life and its ramifications does not long remain a het privilege, in any field. Even in Montréal, there was a homophobic act not very long ago against a lesbian couple kissing at the corner of Mont-Royal and St-Denis, in the heart of the trendy and supposedly gay-positive Plateau. (Fortunately a kiss-in protest ensued).

But people of any orientation don't HAVE to talk about their lives outside work if they don't want to...


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posted 06 January 2006 04:25 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by faith:

If the issue is to make gay and lesbian youth more comfortable in a homophobic society by discussing great gay role models then sexuality is relevant to the discussion...



That would be one of my main issues with it, yes. And by denying who he is, Spacey (and, in earlier times, George Michael, Elton John, etc. etc.) help perpetuate the impression that it is something to be ashamed of, to be kept hidden.

The closet kills, and not always the closeted one. Lack of successful, positive role models still leads many, many confused teens, brainwashed by straight society, into self-destructive behaviour, up to and including suicide. Hell, the closet even led Spacey into dangerous behaviour himself:

quote:
He used to deny persistent rumors that he is gay but after he was mugged in a London park where gay men cruise he has been silent on the issue of his sexuality.

The 2004 occurred at 4:30 in the morning. At the time he claimed that he had tripped over his Jack Russell chasing a man who had conned him out of his mobile phone.

Spacey refused to file an official police report on the incident but the event was played up in the British tabloids.


Cruising a "gay stroll" at night is exactly what Aaron Webster was doing when he was hunted down, chased and bludgeoned to death in Vancouver a few years ago.

The closet kills. Silence kills. Speak up, Kevin. Be proud of who you are. Set an example.

Be free.

[ 06 January 2006: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 06 January 2006 04:29 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, you are sure right about that.
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Hephaestian, do you know if Kevin Spacey denies his sexual status or just demands his sexuality remain private? I think there is a big difference in outright denial and living one's private life privately.
Celebrities can live very dangerously by courting attention as well because they can't turn off the scrutiny when they need privacy (Princess Diana) and their lives can end up being a misery. I can certainly understand someone like Spacey trying to carve out a place in the world that is his own.

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posted 06 January 2006 04:48 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When asked point-blank in a radio interview with Michaelangelo Signorile (who phrased his reason for asking the question in much the same way as I did above), Spacey denied that he is gay. He also denied it in a print interview a few years ago (although I can't remember the name of the publication.)
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Now that you mention it didn't Joan Rivers also try to out Kevin Spacey? I saw her on a talk show a few years back and she was asked about her 'outing deed'. Her answer was that she was tired of all of these gay people hiding their sexuality.( I am not really sure if it was Kevin or someone else)
I guess that I am kind of disappointed in that answer of Kevin's , he could have just said that his private life was his own and that questions of a sexual nature would not be answered.

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posted 06 January 2006 05:23 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by faith:

I guess that I am kind of disappointed in that answer of Kevin's , he could have just said that his private life was his own and that questions of a sexual nature would not be answered.



Which is exactly how perennial "eligible bachelor" George Clooney has handled it. He even walked off an interview set once when the interviewer wouldn't drop the subject, and there are several gossip/celebrity shows he will "never speak with again" (such as Access Hollywood). I have no problems with Clooney's response, which is basically, "my private life is private. Period."

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Is it possible

that Kevin spacey was in a park with his mutt at 4am. Not knowing that this particular park was a gay cruising park, or maybe thinking that at 4 in the morning most people are asleep except his bloody mutt who needs a pee. Dogs are known for this kind of behaviour.

Just asking as I don't know or really care about Kevin Spacy's sexual orientation.
There seems to be a sort of bullying going on: You are, you are admit it, admit it. Sorry for this untimely and undoubtedly very unpopular question.

As Yst said:

quote:
Happily, most come to terms with being sexuals over time. Some may even eventually meet other sexuals, and engage in sexual behaviour.

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posted 06 January 2006 06:17 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I'm sure that's it.
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posted 06 January 2006 06:21 PM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
okay, okay - Gene Hackman was a good Lex Luthor. He just wasn't evil enough that's all. Sorry to offend all the Hackman lovers everywhere.
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quote:
Yes, I'm sure that's it.

Okay, okay I just asked. Don't get your knickers in a knot.


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