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Trinitty
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posted 22 July 2002 04:21 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay babblers, I need some shopping help.

Having ignorantly contributed to child slavery in the past, I'm not keen on doing it again.

BUT. I NEED new running shoes. My old sweatshop specials are falling apart.

I was at an athletics store the other day and couldn't find any that weren't made in Indonesia or China.

So, where can I find far-trade shoes?


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DrConway
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posted 22 July 2002 04:26 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doc Martens are made in England.
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vickyinottawa
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posted 22 July 2002 04:35 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
but I wouldn't try jogging in 'em.....can you say "shinsplints"?
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Timebandit
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posted 22 July 2002 05:42 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wear Ryka shoes, both for running and for aerobics... Tag says made in Korea... Is that any better?
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DrConway
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posted 22 July 2002 05:43 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, South Korea isn't as authoritarian as China, so I suppose it's a relative improvement
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Timebandit
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posted 22 July 2002 05:50 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All I knows is my shoes fit good....
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vickyinottawa
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posted 22 July 2002 05:52 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think New Balance are made in the US
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Catalyst
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posted 22 July 2002 10:53 PM      Profile for Catalyst   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
New Balance was once made in the U.S., and I had been wearing them not only because of this fact, but also because they fit my wide feet very well. They also took forever to wear out. However, much to my dismay, I read the tag in the shoe store last month as I was picking out my latest pair and they are now being made in China. I bought them anyway, but I had to. My other pair was in horrible condition. And I am babying my feet still. However, if anyone else comes up with some ethical ones to wear ahich will fit my feet well and comfortably, I will switch willingly to that brand.
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Randolph
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posted 23 July 2002 12:40 AM      Profile for Randolph        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
has it come to this? ethical running shoes? people, let's get a life, shall we?
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Adam
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posted 23 July 2002 01:04 AM      Profile for Adam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have fun finding vegan, non-sweatshop-made shoes. What a headache.
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flotsom
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posted 23 July 2002 01:16 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
has it come to this? ethical running shoes? people, let's get a life, shall we?

Easy to say, as long as you don't happen to be an unfortunate soul who works in an east asian sweatshop making shoes for some guy named Randolph.

Weir.

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: flotsom ]


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Randolph
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posted 23 July 2002 01:26 AM      Profile for Randolph        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hands up, everyone, who actually gives a rolling donut as to how my running shoe purchases affect some unfortunate soul (or is that 'sole'...haw haw) in east asia. i don't buy their shoes, mr. unfortunate east asian soul doesn't get paid. i decide to buy shoes made in east latvian sweatshop...mr unfortunate east latvian soul DOES get paid and promptly treats wife to new potato and a combination second hand dog collar and ankle bracelet. the free market system...the only one that works. work means freedom, or something like that.
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Timebandit
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posted 23 July 2002 01:31 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's your favoured abode, Randolph? Bridge or tunnel?
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Randolph
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posted 23 July 2002 01:42 AM      Profile for Randolph        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
klip klop, klip klop.
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Timebandit
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posted 23 July 2002 01:46 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congratulations, Randolph. Acknowledging the problem is the first step. Now go find yourself a 12 step program and stop trolling these nice people, hmmmmmmm?
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Randolph
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posted 23 July 2002 01:49 AM      Profile for Randolph        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
12 steps!?!? ugggghhhh, okay. klip klop, klip klop, klip klop, klip klop, klip klop, klip klop.


hawt dawg... 12 steps. pony up my certificate.


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Trinitty
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posted 23 July 2002 11:51 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So.... New Balance it is? I'll check the tag.

This is stupid. Doesn't Germany make shoes anymore?


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dustie
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posted 23 July 2002 01:03 PM      Profile for dustie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And along the same lines -- what running gear (shorts and shirts) can I wear ?
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Mac
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posted 23 July 2002 01:19 PM      Profile for Mac     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have been looking for information ethically made/fairtrade clothes as well. A word of warning about labels, they are not always indicative of were the item was actually made. And even if the item was made in Canada/USA this doesn't mean that the working conditions were any better for the workers.

You might find some useful info here:

[URL=http://www.behindthelabel.org/ ]Behind The Label[/URL]


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Michelle
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posted 23 July 2002 03:39 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
has it come to this? ethical running shoes? people, let's get a life, shall we?

Hi joemama. See you.


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skdadl
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posted 23 July 2002 04:36 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh. Does that mean that Randolph is gone? I am still agog over this:

quote:
work means freedom,

which translates to German: Arbeit macht frei ... which was the slogan posted over the entrance to Auschwitz.

I don't run, but I also have to pamper my feet, so I buy German shoes. We have a Birkenstock store near us, but the last pair of shoes I bought there aren't Birkenstocks; they're made by (an also German) company called Ganter. They're sandals, shaped to my foot -- I've never worn anything so wonderful.


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'lance
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posted 23 July 2002 04:38 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
which translates to German: Arbeit macht frei ... which was the slogan posted over the entrance to Auschwitz.

I thought of responding to that, before deciding it was probably bait, and better left lying there.


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Black Dog
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posted 23 July 2002 07:21 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of "getting a life", what do you say to someone who keeps trolling a discussion forum, keeps getting booted and (here's the kicker) keeps coming back?
And I thought I had too much time on my hands...

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: black_dog ]


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Michelle
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posted 23 July 2002 07:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True, black_dog, but he's gone now, so it's probably best to stop addressing him or it will just tempt him to try and come back again.

Just a suggestion.


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nonsuch
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posted 23 July 2002 11:38 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's very difficult to find running shoes made anywhere but in China.
You can get some fine moccassins made in Quebec, and they're comfortable - but not athletic.
Someone should start an ethical shoemaking co-op!

All my shoes, and most of my clothes, are second - er - hand. It's a viable alternative, only so long as other people buy them new, but at least i'm recycling.


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vickyinottawa
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posted 24 July 2002 10:26 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
problem is, running is so hard on one's body that good shoes are important. At least my shinsplints tell me so.

As for clothing, it's true that a "Made in Canada" tag doesn't necessarily mean that the stuff was made under ethical conditions. There are a lot of homeworkers doing exploitative piecemeal work for the Canadian garment industry.

The Maquila Solidarity Network in Toronto is a good resource. So is UNITE


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aRoused
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posted 24 July 2002 11:49 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Instead of sneakers, how about something like a trail running or approach shoe? Since their construction is somewhat more demanding than a simple sneaker, and they're made for a more limited market, some of them may be made by genuine cobblers working (semi-)locally.

Naturally you will pay more: the shoes listed in the MEC catalogue don't say where they're made, and range from about 80 to 170 bucks.


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Michelle
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posted 24 July 2002 06:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but that sounds like Nike price-range, so it's not really that bad.
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