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voice of the damned
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posted 27 March 2006 12:06 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I recall some discussion a while back about Spurlock's alleged ridiculing of obese people in Supersize Me. The gist of the debate was whether or not jokes about obesity can be justiifed by the overall social agenda of the person making the jokes.

I wonder what Spurlock's social agenda was for THESE jokes...?

quote:
Spurlock, who ate nothing but McDonald's meals for 30 days to make his Oscar-nominated 2004 documentary "Super Size Me," spoke Friday at Hatboro-Horsham High School in suburban Philadelphia during its first-ever Health and Wellness Fair.

In his hourlong presentation before 700 students, Spurlock joked about the intelligence of McDonald's employees, using an Indian accent as he imitated a cashier trying to figure out how to ring up a Quarter Pounder hamburger. He also joked about "retarded kids in the back wearing helmets" and teachers smoking pot in the balcony.

There actually were special education students in the back row. Teachers led them out during the hourlong presentation.


quote:
"The greatest lesson those kids learned today was the importance of free speech," he said. "I didn't talk to them the way most lecturers do and bore them. I made an unaccessible topic accessible and left the room with more friends than enemies."


So I guess "free speech" now means the right to insult mentally challenged individuals on someone else's dime?

quote:
But another student, Emily Wible, said she did not like the jokes about the mentally retarded. "I work with special-needs kids," she said.


What a square, man!!

http://tinyurl.com/e8266

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posted 27 March 2006 01:23 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess this proves that you can hate McDonald's without necessarily having to love everyone who criticizes them.
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posted 27 March 2006 01:31 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another one of those jerks who hasn't grasped that civil libertarians are willing to defend the right of jerks to speak but are not necessarily in pursuit of becoming jerks themselves.

A touch of racism in the night there as well?


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posted 27 March 2006 01:31 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And can I hate Mcdonald's without hating an occasional Egg McMuffin?

As for Spurlock, I was impressed by the movie, but he's not the first person to do some things I agree with, then turn around and say some things I disagree with or don't like.


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posted 27 March 2006 01:45 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Another one of those jerks who hasn't grasped that civil libertarians are willing to defend the right of jerks to speak but are not necessarily in pursuit of becoming jerks themselves.

To my mind, this is how free speech works. He is free to say stupid things. I am free to point out that he has said stupid things. It's not a question of censorship, but of countering stupidity.


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posted 27 March 2006 01:47 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
And can I hate Mcdonald's without hating an occasional Egg McMuffin?

An Egg McMuffin is probably the least exclusive item on their menu, made entirely from off-the-shelf products. If someone is unfortunate enough to have an addiction to Big Macs or their milkshakes, they're pretty much SOL, but an Egg McMuffin can easily be made at home, allowing you to boycott McDonald's forever. To cook the egg in a pan, use a tuna can with both ends cut off. To zap it, use an empty spreadable cream cheese container, cut a hole in the lid.


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posted 27 March 2006 02:22 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was really sad to read of Spurlock's (alleged?) comments, as I've watched his 'Supersize Me' a few times, and enjoyed watching his performance. I was really hoping to see another production from him, although I don't have a clue what his next target would be.

As to Egg McMuffins, I've been making my own for almost twenty years, having no more than five or six a year (I have to watch the cholesterol). Just fry an egg until it's cooked right through, then add a slice each of ham and cheese on an English muffin. Tastes way better than the original.


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posted 27 March 2006 02:27 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RB wrote:

quote:
an Egg McMuffin can easily be made at home, allowing you to boycott McDonald's forever. To cook the egg in a pan, use a tuna can with both ends cut off. To zap it, use an empty spreadable cream cheese container, cut a hole in the lid.

And you were making fun of ME for eating chunky chili?


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posted 27 March 2006 03:16 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
I guess this proves that you can hate McDonald's without necessarily having to love everyone who criticizes them.
No, this proves that you can hate McDs and still be a racist, ableist jerk at times.

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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
And you were making fun of ME for eating chunky chili?

I was? But I confess my cravings in food are decidely common. While I have few dislikes (eggplant, organ meats and curry are chief among them), I can't live without some of the things invented by the American food industry.

I will, however, defend the Egg McMuffin as close kin to Eggs Benedict and, as I said, just about the most unadulterated items on the McDonald's menu.

My version, incidentally, is made with a whole wheat English muffin, an Omega 3 egg, fat-free ham and fat-free cheese.

An earlier version, back when I could afford the carbs in two English muffins, used one egg and extra egg whites, with the yolk split between two sandwiches.


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posted 27 March 2006 04:06 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Reality. Bites.:
I will, however, defend the Egg McMuffin as close kin to Eggs Benedict
Shame on you! No back bacon, no hollandaise, unpoached eggs - A TRAVESTY! A TRAVESTY I TELLS YA!! (Mind you, I do consider egg mcBarf one of the only things barely edible on a hangover). I think of it as the great affordable hangover snack.

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posted 27 March 2006 04:11 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I didn't have issues with cholesterol and fat, I'd have a Big Mac every time I leave the coast. I just love those things. I make my own using extra lean hamburger and 1000 Island salad dressing as the sauce, and very generous with the lettuce.
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posted 27 March 2006 04:12 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RB wrote:

quote:
While I have few dislikes (eggplant, organ meats and curry are chief among them), ...

Such a shame. Everyone else dotes on my curried sweetbreads with aubergine frites.


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posted 27 March 2006 04:20 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An Egg McMuffin IS made with back bacon. Benedict is traditionally made with ham, although I've seen many places in Toronto use peameal bacon instead... ("Peameal bacon... all the taste of back bacon, but with added fibre")
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posted 27 March 2006 04:22 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Makwa:
Shame on you! No back bacon, no hollandaise, unpoached eggs - A TRAVESTY! A TRAVESTY I TELLS YA!! (Mind you, I do consider egg mcBarf one of the only things barely edible on a hangover). I think of it as the great affordable hangover snack.

Say Makwa, I'm not a fancy-ass cook especially, but if you're ever in Vancouver, look me up and I'll make us eggs Benedict with my homemade-type Hollandaise. I've tinkered with the recipe for years and finally perfected it, if I say so myself (and I do). Lotsa lemon juice, is the key.

Me, I like it better with smoked (wild) salmon, but anything for a guest.

Edit:

But where are my manners. This invite goes for other babblers here, too.

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posted 27 March 2006 04:33 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
Say Makwa, I'm not a fancy-ass cook especially, but if you're ever in Vancouver, look me up and I'll make us eggs Benedict with my homemade-type Hollandaise.
Yum. I'll go anyplace for good snackies!! And just a skip away from Ms. AC!! Yay for the west coasties!

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posted 27 March 2006 04:36 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ms AC?

I assume you're not talking about Lennox Ltd.'s "Ms Air-Conditioning, 2005"?


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
RB wrote:

Such a shame. Everyone else dotes on my curried sweetbreads with aubergine frites.


Actually I quite like sweetbreads. It's liver I can't abide and kidney I won't even try.


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posted 27 March 2006 04:57 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Egg sandwiches are heaven after a good hard night of drinking, from what I've heard.
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posted 27 March 2006 05:02 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Reality. Bites.:

Actually I quite like sweetbreads. It's liver I can't abide and kidney I won't even try.


OMG. He actually eats thymuses and pancreases.

In real life, RB, the only other person I know who does that is a surgeon.


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In Montreal, Moishe's steakhouse serves it (them?) grilled over charcoal. Prepared this way you have all the yumminess of charred fat, with little of that pesky meat to get in the way.

4 oz of sweetbreads have 23g of fat and 14g of protein. That's a higher ratio than bacon!

I've never had them prepared any other way.


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The fellow who does the Jewish Digest show on Radio Centre-Ville community radio here, Lesley Lutsky, who is a vegetarian, was reporting on Moishe's. As you can see, about the only things he could taste there were a few starters and side-dishes.

More on the history of Moishe's.

Those sweetbreads are frightening indeed!

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posted 27 March 2006 05:58 PM      Profile for Drinkmore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fat Free Cheese? Can you make any recommendations?
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quote:
Originally posted by Drinkmore:
Fat Free Cheese? Can you make any recommendations?

Yes. Avoid it!

To be precise, I should have said fat free process cheese food - the "singles" type of cheese used in fast food cheeseburgers and the Egg McMuffin. There are low and no-fat varieties available from Kraft, Black Diamond and the store and no-name brands. One's pretty much as good as another.

Lagatta: I think Moishe's probably considers the chicken to be quite enough of a concession to vegetarians!


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
OMG. He actually eats thymuses and pancreases.

In real life, RB, the only other person I know who does that is a surgeon.


Surely, in this day and age, there are more quantitative and less drastic test methods than that.


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posted 28 March 2006 12:10 PM      Profile for v michel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:

To my mind, this is how free speech works. He is free to say stupid things. I am free to point out that he has said stupid things. It's not a question of censorship, but of countering stupidity.


To be fair, it's a bit different when he says those things in a school. The school has the responsibility to review content in school-wide assemblies, precisely so that someone doesn't do something asinine like make fun of the special needs students. That's not a question of censorship, but of education. I think he had no place saying this in a school assembly, and I sure don't think that makes me an enemy of free speech.


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Being the guy who started this thread, I should post this article about Spurlock's apology, including his denying the remarks about special needs students.

From IMDB:

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Spurlock Apologizes for School Speech


Documentary maker Morgan Spurlock has apologized to an American high school after stunning students and teachers with a foul-mouthed politically incorrect speech. During a lecture last week at Hatboro-Horsham High School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania the Super Size Me star joked about the intelligence of McDonald's employees and teachers smoking marijuana. The speech was cut short and another planned in the town later that day was cancelled. Spurlock has now posted an apology on his website: "It is never my intent to insult or demean anyone - and I understand how some of my remarks may have offended some in attendance and if you feel they did, then I am deeply sorry." Spurlock also tells a local newspaper he hadn't thought of the audience when planning his talk and could have chosen his words better. But he denies claims in an initial report that he had mocked "retarded kids in the back wearing helmets," insisting, "Having done work with special needs children in the past, something this hurtful would never come from my lips."


http://tinyurl.com/r7j3s

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quote:
"Having done work with special needs children in the past, something this hurtful would never come from my lips."

So he was talking out of his ass?


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posted 29 March 2006 08:46 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Spurlock's website:

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First and most importantly, it should be made clear that the only person I called “retarded” was myself when I was unable to hear a question from the audience. Having done work with special needs children in the past, something this hurtful would never come from my lips. I did make an aside about kids sleeping in the back wearing helmets, which was done with no malicious intent (I was playing it as a slacker reference to the Jon Heder character in the upcoming film “Benchwarmers,” a reference which was lost and, as I was later told, there were no actual students wearing helmets in the back).


I don't approve of the word "retarded", but I do recognize it's often used by people with no malicious intent. I'd be interested to know the exact context for his "helmet" joke, though.

The apology doesn't say anything about the alleged racial slurs.

http://tinyurl.com/3hjmw


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I was playing it as a slacker reference to the Jon Heder character in the upcoming film “Benchwarmers,”

Oh, now I get it! It's from that film that hasn't been released that nobody has seen yet!


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posted 29 March 2006 11:25 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, IMDB has at least one review of the film, dated March 23, so apparently it's been shown somewhere. But not enough people have voted on it to warrant a rating, so I'm guessng it's not in general distribution.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

Oh, now I get it! It's from that film that hasn't been released that nobody has seen yet!


It's called "viral marketing."


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