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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 24 October 2001 10:37 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Last night's episode of The Nature of Things was all about psychopathy. It was quite fascinating. Stuff about new ways of diagnosing psychopathy, biological aspects of psychopathy, and research into the effectiveness, ineffectiveness, and ethical implications of different treatment techniques.

One of the segments of most interest to Babblers, probably, was the segment about "industrial psychopaths", and how psychopathy can be an advantage in the business world.
http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/episode04_psychopaths_2001.htm


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Trinitty
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posted 24 October 2001 10:49 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey!

I don't miss David. I love that show.... though next weeks looks kind of lame.

Fascinating subject. I remember they did a story on the very same subject a few years ago, and I learned that my cousin was indeed a psychopath.

It's a pretty chilling realization to come to. I'd bet he'd be in the high thirties on that test.

Yep. The psychopaths in suits was a pretty good eye-opener eh? I think there are a fair share of them here on the Hill.

Corporations should start empathy training to try to weed them out.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 24 October 2001 11:02 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Corporations should start empathy training to try to weed them out.

I'm curious how many businesses would want to weed them out. How beneficial would keeping psychopaths on the payroll be for the company's bottom line?

The show explained that a psychopath could do well for him/herself in the business world, but they didn't go into whether or not psychopathy is beneficial for the business itself.

The psychopath cares only about him/herself, correct? So they wouldn't really care much about the long-term well-being of the company they work for. They'd stab any other employee in the back to climb the ladder. That wouldn't be particularly conducive to a healthy corporate culture.

The problem is that the skillful psychopath could be very good at CONVINCING supervisers that the well-being of the company is their primary concern, when it really isn't.

Also, if the psychopath isn't doing anything illegal, how does one justify weeding them out of the workforce?


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Zatamon
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posted 24 October 2001 11:22 AM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The psychopath cares only about him/herself, correct? So they wouldn't really care much about the long-term well-being of the company they work for.
MediaBoy, the only people who care about long-term well-being of a corporation are the "trouble-makers", who are pushed aside because they are not "team-players".

Take this from somebody who spent twenty-five years in the North American corporate world, with hundreds of companies under his belt (being a consultant moves you around).

I yet to see a manager who chooses the company's interest over his own (I don't say none exists, only I have not met him/her yet).

On the other hand I have seen the lone techie who fought management for years to have an innovative idea recognized -- and when it was, his manager took credit and the techie got reprimanded for being too pushy.
And the poor sod didn't understand why he was punished instead of promoted when all he did was help the company increase its profit.

Sorry for the rant, too close to home.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 24 October 2001 11:36 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could the managers you speak of sound like they suffer from some measure of psychopathy? Perhaps one of the reasons they've managed to become managers is because their psychopathy helps them convince superiors of how good they are, when really they don't have the company's best interest at heart? They climb the ladder because they are able to convince superiors of their rivals' disloyalty, when really their rivals are the ones who care most about the company's long-term well-being?

Would getting rid of psychopaths help a company by creating a healthier work environment and giving those who are truly loyal to the company an opportunity to contribute?

[ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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Trinitty
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posted 24 October 2001 11:59 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it would be better to weed them out for that very reason. They may be good at climbing the ladder, but they are stepping on people on the way up and crapping on the ones below with no sense of duty or conscience.... that creates a disenchanted work force and you lose the truly loyal because their spirits are crushed by ruthlessness.
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vaudree
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posted 24 October 2001 01:01 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes I did between phone calls. Note how friends you haven`t talked to for a while seem to phone right in the middle of something. I remember one teacher telling us that Nixon was a successful ASPD.

The frightening thing I found while watching the show was that many of these guys fit the profile of love interests in romance novels. (For more comments see the thread "Girls like to see them shoot").

Many books talk about survival strategies when working with such people - personally I could not be bothered with back stabbing - seems like a boring preoccupation.

Happened once that I somehow managed to be on the inside of something like that - I felt the power in my veins and then I looked into the face of the person set up as the victem and my heart melted. C told us not to let her get more cheese before we started the conveyer belt after break. She was doing cheese and when her bowl emptied she would not be able to do the job and the person grading cheese would not let her fill the bowl and the person with the other bowl of cheese would not let her take cheese from that bowl. She handed the bowl to me and asked me to get her cheese. I got the bowl and filled it up and she picked up a bit for me for the few secconds it took until I could get back. As soon as the pizza`s were finished she went in to the lunch room crying and the supervisor followed after her. C figured one down and started running down the supervisor. Luckily the boss believed the supervisor and C "disappeared." The supervisor had to quit soon after because she had permenant double vision and working on conveyer belt was too hard for her. (She was one of the last few to be moved on to the conveyer belt - the sandwhiches were the last to be made that way).

Note how they pick their victems. Hitler did the same with the Jews - picked a group nobody would defend. Did anyone see Canada: A people`s history - even Mackensie King adored Hitler and dispised the Jews.
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I think there is a strong tendency among us left-wingers to brand right-wingers as ASPD since we tend to judge their actions by our standards. In a previous thread I tried to provoke right-wingers to challenge that notion by slightly exaggerating the way right-wingers look through the eyes of leftwingers. I enclosed the Manitoba Party Principles (search: princples or society or vaudree), the URL to the definition of anisocial personality disorders (very next post by me), and Ruber`s song from Quest for Camelot.
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000259

[ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: vaudree ]


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