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FakeDesignerWatch
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posted 02 November 2004 10:51 AM      Profile for FakeDesignerWatch   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Highly regarded: Wyclef Jean is one of the few people Haitians believe could help talks to end the violence."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1341325,00.html

I never believed that rock and roll will save the world, still music is a wind that can fan the flames (pretty poetic, n'ect-ce pas?) or perhaps carry the torch or the banner or whatever to carry a message.

But, as has been pointed out elsewhere, popular music - especially music that is amenable to boogie - can also be exploitative. Also, it is not guaranteed that popular artists will promote inclusive politics.

Yet, as good ol'lefties ,we're interested in praxis above all else. So, where does hip-hop (or perhaps other forms of music) stand in the global hegemony of things?

Is the arguably most popular form of music among global youth doomed to bling bling, or is it still urban folk/protest music?

(Note: babblers cutting and pasting lyrics to whole songs out of context and without including their point will be considered daft, and also stupid. Additionally, those making sweeping generalisations (i.e. "rock and roll is the devil's music" or "all rappers are sexist") will be duly met with derision and contempt.)


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periyar
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posted 02 November 2004 11:43 AM      Profile for periyar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also love rap and hip hop and have watched its influence grow over the last 15 years or so since I first started listening to it.

I think the quality of the music has decreased with its growth. I prefer the politicized versions because for me rap and hip hop is about clever lyrics and much of the mainstream versions are unimaginative, churning out the same nonsense themes.

I particularly like the coup and dead prez.
Other politicized music I like- the late fela kuti.


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FakeDesignerWatch
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posted 05 November 2004 10:58 AM      Profile for FakeDesignerWatch   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you are interested in International Hip-Hop culture beyond Much/MTV, as it relates to the Struggle...

Straight Outta Africa:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1343110,00.html

"In the rubbish-strewn slums of Nairobi, where guns, alcohol and Aids are rife, young people idolise Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z and 50 Cent. Now they're rapping like them too. Dorian Lynskey meets the Eastlands MCs"

"No matter how many rappers eulogise cars, jewellery and getting it on 'til the break of dawn, hip-hop's creative lodestone will always be hardship"

"Some people think there's no hip-hop in East Africa," says Zakah, whose song Hebu Rudisha describes life on the Boma's doorstep. "They think there are only zebras and lions. But when they come here I think they'll see we're doing something international. People everywhere are going to feel us because our skills are real."


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Tuppence
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posted 07 November 2004 05:33 PM      Profile for Tuppence     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now I've heard it all.

If they idolised politically aware rappers like De La Soul, Beastie Boys etc I could understand it....

This just in: Hilary Duff discovers cure for cancer.


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Klingon
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posted 08 November 2004 01:31 AM      Profile for Klingon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PTachk! SO we're seeing the corporate take-over of music in east Africa too.

Got news for ya. Hip Hop is basically a mixture of rock/funk/metal meters with rhyming spoken word art. These beats, progressions and riffs are familiar to anyone who paid attention to music in the 1960s and 70s.

The spoken word idea is taken from the gryat tribal leaders of various African communities who keep a spoken word archive of their community's history, since they have very limited writing.

To keep it interesting, they try to make the stories rhyme as best as possible. This is an art form, as well as a form of documentation, that is thousands of years old.

It's truly sad that this is now giving way to cultural no-minds like Snoop Doggy Dog, who made his public profile with tunes and shouts about how he wants his kids to grow up to be gangsters and criminals chasing after easy money.


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Gentlebreeze
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posted 08 November 2004 03:57 PM      Profile for Gentlebreeze     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just finished listening to the new k-os disc, "Joyful Rebellion". Wow, what an amazing cd! It gives hope to all those who had feared hip-hop was dead as a meaningful art. Hell, a number of the songs speak to this very point, lamenting the state of the genre and culture. Very impressive work.

[ 08 November 2004: Message edited by: Gentlebreeze ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 08 November 2004 04:05 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to say, in this newly saved hip-hop world, it's the bitches I feel the most sorry for.
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FakeDesignerWatch
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posted 08 November 2004 04:06 PM      Profile for FakeDesignerWatch   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Klingon:
PTachk! SO we're seeing the corporate take-over of music in east Africa too.

What sad cynicism. Are you over 40? This article was about the attempts to the opposite. Alas, the corporate machine has the loudest megaphones, it is true, but lets not let it speak for art.

It's not just about opposing, but we should provide alternatives.


So, what do we do? Whine? Or see how we could support music we like, whether it be hip-hop, rock, salsa, jazz...


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 08 November 2004 10:18 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I have to say, in this newly saved hip-hop world, it's the bitches I feel the most sorry for.
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Stop it, Mr. Magoo!!! This is garbage racism and sexism. I am sick of it. I was going to post in this thread and I cannot take your garbage anymore.

You think it's cool to make fun of women and black people at the same time? All you do is grouse. Stop it stop it stop it.


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