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Sven
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posted 05 September 2008 09:43 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From this thread, some babblers believe (apparently, with great earnestness) that certain words should not be used because, well, because those babblers have divined, through superior intellect, connotations or vague etymological roots that they believe are racist or sexist...even though such meanings couldn’t be discerned by one person of average intelligence out of a million, even if their very lives depended upon it.

“Denigrate”

quote:
Originally posted by remind:
OMG, martin good catch, it is so, so easy, not to see/perceive latent and entrenched sexism and racism, in our thought patterns and common word usage.

Well, that word will now be struck from my vocabulary!


“Sordid”

quote:
Originally posted by remind:
The use of sorid re-enforces a classist notion, with rascist roots and it has historically and currently been used as a "negative denotation" against women's actions. A societal control mechanism, and most societal control mechanisms are there to re-enforce patriarchy, and patriarchy, as we know it, is a white male construct, to benefit mainly white males. until such "loaded" terms fall into disuse, they will impact upon peoples in a unnecessary and negative way.

“Melancholy”

quote:
Originally posted by remind:
However, I will say, I dislike the use of melancholy because of the negative way it was used mainly for women, historically.

George Carlin was right. Context is everything when it comes to words. A word, by itself, is harmless.

Let’s look again at “sordid”:

“The sordid speeches at the RNC convention made me ill with their lies and hypocrisy.”

How is “sordid” objectionable there?


Contrast that use of the word “sordid” to this:

“Two men having sex is such a sordid act.”

Here, the word is employed in the context of a sentence (a complete thought) to make a judgment about homosexuality. The word is harmless but the context in which it is used (a particular sentence) creates a negative judgment about gay men.

I disagree with the statement “Two men having sex is such a sordid act” but I wouldn’t say “it is so, so easy, not to see/perceive latent and entrenched [homophobia]” in the word “sordid”!!

That is patently absurd.

Same with denigrate and melancholy.


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Sven
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posted 05 September 2008 10:32 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Now, your other strawman regarding the RNC, I do not imagine it would be called, or referred to as, sordid, by anyone, including yourself. As sordid sets a conceptual framework of dirty deeds done in squalid conditions like a seedy motel. Plus a few others that would readily come to mind, and none would be an accurate way to conceptualize the RNC.

You're misusing the term strawman. But, be that as it may, let's use this example:

"The sordid backroom deals being cut by politicians and lobbyists are something citizens should not tolerate."

Is "sordid" unacceptable here, remind?


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remind
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posted 05 September 2008 10:55 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Can't respond in a thread that has, as its title, a slanted premise to commence a discussion with. Maybe next time. But chin up, you have no problem addressing yourself anyway.

Edited to remove the word sorry as the start word, as I am not. And to tell Sven not to worry at my lack of participation, as he can carry a discussion all by himself, with himself easily, he has done it several times today already.

[ 05 September 2008: Message edited by: remind ]


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Sven
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posted 05 September 2008 11:03 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Sorry can't respond in a thread that has as its title a slanted premise to commence with. Maybe next time.

You can do better than that, remind. I know you can.


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remind
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posted 05 September 2008 11:11 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh, sven your post crossed with my edit.
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bagkitty
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posted 06 September 2008 09:18 AM      Profile for bagkitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Relative newibe, long time lurker.

Which is more likely to raise hackles... describing someone as being professionally indignant or referring to them as one of the offenderatti? I make somewhat of an effort to not be unintentionally rude, and would appreciate some guidance.

As for the example Sven uses when discussing the appropriate use of the word "sordid" -- I merely cut and paste the word "torrid" and let my imagination frolic -- the price of admission is only two consonants.


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Michelle
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posted 06 September 2008 10:55 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is clearly an attack thread. Sven, smarten the hell up. I know you and remind don't like each other. And I haven't stepped in much when you get into it with her because I think you both give as good as you get to each other.

But this thread is clearly designed to needle and clearly aimed at her. Cut it out.


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