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Michael Hardner
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posted 14 November 2002 03:15 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NHL Power Rankings via ESPN

Our team is ranked last. Why ?


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posted 14 November 2002 03:22 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably because they haven't adjusted their play to the new rules. Thus their suckiness of late. Also, never forget the Belfour factor when wondering why your (and my) team are playing like crapola.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 14 November 2002 05:23 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably because it's ESPN.

Who are they? I rank them far below "The Hockey News" or "Hockey Night in Canada"...but somewhat higher than "Sports Illustrated".

[ed. "Belfour factor?" He has a better save Pct. than Joseph and a similar won/lost record - despite the crappy defence he has in front of him.]

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: Arch Stanton ]


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posted 14 November 2002 06:07 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
P'obly because the Leafs are awful and will continue to be awful for genarations to come. At least maybe this year we won't get to see them make their annual spring time impression of Georg W meeting a pretzel. Tee hee.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 14 November 2002 07:03 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Get the facts straight, buster. Ottawa is the team of the springtime choke.
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posted 14 November 2002 07:18 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From today's Daily Prophet:

The Toronto Maple Leafs are about to commence one of the hottest streaks in franchise history. Prophet reporter Hermione Granger has devined the club, currently mired in a down period, will rebound in the coming months and sail into the playoffs as one of the favorites. Granger, who has never failed to correctly predict the outcome of a Quidditch match, believes the hot streak could commence at any time.

Well there you go. The Prophet is never wrong.


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Briguy
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posted 14 November 2002 07:58 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Belfour has been known to disrupt a team's chemistry with his antics at times. And, well, I never really liked him and tend to continue disliking players even when they move to a team I cheer for. Call me crazy.
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posted 15 November 2002 02:30 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dryden is supposed to be one of the more cerreberal guys in hockey.

Well, he was certainly asleep at the switch not anticipating the rule change, wasn't he?

While I think Pat Quinn is a very good coach, from watching the Canucks I never did like his G.M. skills.

The Leafs have been rather competitive in the last while-- the vast majority in the NHL would rather have the Leaf record of the past five years than the one they have.

But, Leaf fans are demanding a Cup or two, and they are justified.

The Leafs have to jettison the right overpaid veterans instead of the wrong ones for a change, and be as interested in keeping good players as they are in aquiring them.

Save percentage shmave percentage. Both Belfor and Kidd have not been able to do the thing that Joseph could do, and that's make the right save at the right time.

Surely there's some French Canadian rookie goalie phenom kicking around somewhere. They grow on trees in that province, don't they?


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posted 15 November 2002 02:48 AM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This power ranking is terrible. The Leafs are bad but the media has been very harsh on them recently. I personally am a big Flames fan and don't like the Leafs, but with at least three teams with worse records and far less upside talent-wise I believe this is a very fishy ranking.
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posted 15 November 2002 03:00 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How long before the Flambées unload Marc Savard?
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Good question. I am not sure. I am kinda iffy on this one. I think Savard can be a good player but if he is messing with the chemistry he probably should go. However, with the way the Flames are scoring they need as much scoring power as they can get.

The only trade I can see for Savard will be him for a bag of pucks and I don't see a bag of pucks scoring goals in the near future.

What a disasterous trade the Flames made a couple of years ago...Lundmark and Hlavac for Savard and Saprykin (who has demanded a trade as well). That goes down in history with the drafting of Chris Dingman, Daniel Tkaczuk and Rico Fata as terrible Flames moves over the last couple of years.


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posted 15 November 2002 10:57 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't get to see much Flames hockey out here, but I did catch a rather disturbing clip this morning. The puck was loose in the defensive end, and three Flames players were standing nearby(yes, standing!) checking their laces for imperfections or something. A Rangers player swooped in, said "don't mind if I do, thank you boys" and scored a goal with minimal effort. The Flames have no hope if they have mental farts like that in the defensive end with any regularity.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 15 November 2002 11:02 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like the "Belfour Factor" got the blue guys a win.
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posted 15 November 2002 11:06 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hockey Leafs? As opposed to the Bowling Leafs?
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posted 15 November 2002 11:13 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As opposed to falling leaves?
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Briguy
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Maybe he'll come around. All I have to say is 5-6-2. /Obi-wan voice/ These are not the stats we are looking for /end Obi-wan voice/.

Speaking of blame, Darcy Tucker has a +/- of -10! What's up with that?


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posted 18 November 2002 04:21 PM      Profile for minimal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I say send those Leafs to some hotbed of hockey like Tucson, Arizona. Then allow Toronto to develop a culture, if that's possible.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 20 November 2002 01:53 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Y'know, I've lived in Alberta....

The Belfour factor notched another shutout; this time against the Bruins.

Ed-die Ed-die.

Let's just say flotsom knows how to pick 'em.


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posted 20 November 2002 02:40 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
F$ck Alberta. The whole godamned province better learn some manners from Manitoba fast, or Saskatchewan's gonna kick its ass.

Fiona: "flotsom* don't you miss Calgary?"

flotsom: "Sure I do, Fi' By several hundred miles. Whenever I spit out my window."

Calgary is the only city I know of with pedestrian lanes on all the sidewalks.

The whole place smells like urine.

I have one positive memory of Calgary.

One morning I smoked a bowl and watched 'The Price is Right' at the Lido.

That was pleasant.

Good show for Belfour.

Boston is smokin' right now.

Montreal is winning but they're letting in too many.

We shall see, we shall see.

edited to add:

Montreal is going to make it to the finals.

[ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: flotsom ]


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quote:
The Belfour factor notched another shutout; this time against the Bruins.

I'll be the first to eat my hat if Eddie continues playing like this. Yippee! (but I'm still not an Eddie fan)


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Arch Stanton
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Pass the ketchup, Sarc.

That bad ol' Belfour factor done went and got another shutout.

Lessee; Joseph gets the hook last night, and Eddie gets consecutive shutouts against the top two teams in the East....maybe Eddie knows more about physics than he does about chemistry.


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posted 26 November 2002 06:24 PM      Profile for BleedingHeart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You would not know it given the coverage they get on TSN. I tuned in last nite hoping to see the Oiler highlites (they beat Detroit in Detroit) Instead I got a 10 minute recap of Toronto's loss to Ottawa including interviews with Quinn, Sundin and Belfour (no Ottawa players/coaches) though. Then they went to basketball highlites.

Meanwhile Vancouver, Edmonton and Ottawa are all on a roll.

I guess that's why its called the "Toronto Sports Network"


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posted 26 November 2002 07:07 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about Hockey Night in Tranna? Fuck, I'm sick of those blue and white palookas taking up valuable broadcast time that could be devoted to hockey. Especially since I can't pick up the Habs on the French channel.

And flotsam, I'll forgive your Alberta bashing because you're focussing on Calgary. The Lido is great, though. Too bad the rest of the city is such an utter yuppie suck-hole.


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And I'll consider forgiving your 'Alberta-ness' because you have the good sense to cheer for the Montreal Canadiens.

flots-o-m.


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I find this interesting:

The Bruins are listed as number 1 the Leafs number 21, but then ESPN says this:

"After shutting out both the Bruins and the Flyers (although that's not a huge feat these days), you'd lose to the Senators, too."

The funniest part is that they have the Canucks ranked 3rd, the team that has had the most wins overall since last December the Canucks had an NHL-best 28-9-3-3 record after Dec. 25, last year, and have the second most wins so far this season. Yet they are still sen as being third.

On the Minnesota Wild ranked fifth they say:
"Yes, those are the Canucks [ranked third overall in the NHL 3 points ahead of with a game in hand] breathing down your necks in the standings."

There is only one conclusion a person can draw from this site, this person[s] know[s] as much about hockey as I do about baseball.

Take heart the Buds are only one point out of a playoff spot and there are about 60 games to go.


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I'm all about the Canucks, always have been and always will be. And this year they could go somewhere in the playoffs.
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posted 02 December 2002 12:45 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The thing about the Canucks is that there's a tradition of over achieving one year, to be followed by an under achieving year.

I think it's called "the Burke Principle", but I could be wrong.


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Michael Hardner
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posted 02 December 2002 03:22 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sir Canuck, you may be looking at an old ranking.

Jeez, look at the length of this thread !

Maybe Babble needs a "Sports" section ?


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Acck! Canuckle-heads are taking over this thread!

Don't you know the Leafs are at .500 right now, as I type this? That's right, .500! Bow to the hockey masters and accept their likely clinching of the Cup, I say. The end is near, the drought is over, hockey history will be made.

If the Leafs win their next game, they'll be at .522! I, for one, will be watching with bated breath.

(Yes, I did watch CBC and TSN this morning. Those two fine broadcasts have convinced me that the 2002/03 Leafs are the second coming.)


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Still one point back of a floundering Habs squad. If there is a god and he is just, grant me this: if Montreal misses the playoffs, please ensure the Leafs fail as well. Amen.

(And please do something about the evil Bopston Bruins while you're at it.)

[ December 02, 2002: Message edited by: black_dog ]


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quote:
That's right, .500! Bow to the hockey masters and accept their likely clinching of the Cup, I say. The end is near, the drought is over, hockey history will be made.

I'll be in a box this weekend cheering them on to another victory. They have their groove on and Eddie is in the zone.

Can I just say how much I hate it as a hockey fan when people who are Canadian and suppport Canadian teams wish ill will on other teams. I want the Cup home in Canada and if Leafs can't do it I want another Canadian team to do it. It's our Cup goddmanit!


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Satire, anyone? I mean, I am a Leafs fan, but I am also a realist.
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Arch Stanton
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quote:
I want the Cup home in Canada and if Leafs can't do it I want another Canadian team to do it. It's our Cup goddmanit!

And our Swedes, Russians, Czechs (man, what a pile of Czechs...it's like the Yarbo, Sask. team out there), Kazhaks and Finns are doing their darndest to bring it here.


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Gee, Eddie Zero leads the league in shutouts this year. Four goose-eggs in eight starts.

How's Joe Curtis (or whatever his name is) doing in Michigan?


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edIE edIE edIE edIE edIE.....

Joe Curtis, I remember him well. I think the problem he's got now is a blind spot---- from his eyes migrating to the one side of his head due to all the floundering.

[ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: TommyPaineatWork ]


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...better be careful with all those penguins, ducks and sharks lurking about...

"Und der Haifisch, der hat Zahne
Und die tragt er im Gesicht
Und MacHeath, der hat ein Messer
Doch das Messer sieht man nicht."


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Wow. Plus ça change, and like all that.

Are there any Brecht or Weill jokes left out there?


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I could Weill away the hours ...
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Wow II. Arch Stanton. Whatever happened to him, anyway?
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And here is Arch Stanton...

[ 02 March 2006: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]


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wicked sidescroll...
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Two kinds of people in this world, Tuco. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
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