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unionist
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posted 18 June 2008 12:13 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Parents barred from watching children's lacrosse games

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Parents and other spectators have been barred from watching games in a Manitoba lacrosse league after numerous complaints from referees about abusive behaviour. ...

Parents who showed up to watch games Tuesday evening were turned away.

"There have been threats of physical violence. We've had some referees where it's been mentioned to them, 'We know where your car is outside. Nice car. We'll see you after the game,' " lacrosse association president Glen Henkewich said, noting that some referees are as young as 16.

Referees were sometimes even followed back to their cars by spectators who were yelling and threatening them, Henkewich said.


Then there are the "nice" parents:

quote:
But some parents are upset that everyone is being penalized for the behaviour of a few spectators. ...

Parents paid the registration fees and should be able to watch, [parent Gary Michalick] said.

"I believe tonight some of our parents are just going to go sit in the rink and dare them to stop the game," Michalick said.


My only dilemma is trying to figure out whether CFS should rescue the "bad" parents' kids, or the "good" parents' kids as well...


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Polly Brandybuck
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posted 18 June 2008 12:34 PM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have seen these parents at hockey games too, real asshats living vicariously through their kids and fucking up the game for everyone.

BUT, I disagree with barring all parents. There are some parents (with my sons hockey team, it was most of us) who are there to watch and encourage and cheer (for both teams too). My son wanted us there, the other kids want their moms and dads there too, it's a family thing. Half the games are out of town, if I drive two hours on an icy road I really want to sit inside and watch the game at the other end. I love watching my kids have fun at sports, and being able to dissect all the great stops and shots all the way home. Ya, hockey mom, shoot me.

Abusive thugparents? Call the cops, have them escorted out. Repeatedly. Charge them with disturbing the peace or being a public asshat or something equally as embarassing. Stop the game, announce that Mr. Smith is being asked to leave for the good of the sport, and inform all the parents and players that unless Mr. Smith vacates the gym the game will be delayed indefinitely. Ask the parents and players to please ensure that the young refs get home safe - explain to the crowd that the last game the 16 year old referee was threatened by none other than Mr. Smith. Tell Mr. Smith that unless his behaviour improves, little Smith will be asked to quit the team, full refund of course.

Mr. Smith will eventually get the message.


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Michelle
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posted 18 June 2008 01:40 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm a basketball mom at the moment, and all the parents there are great - no one is screaming at the kids. Of course, it's very introductory basketball, mostly skill building and then a game for the last 15-20 minutes of the session. So it's not like we have a lot invested in who wins or loses - no one even really keeps score as far as I can tell.

I'm sure that'll change as he gets older.

I can see where it's unfair for the "good" parents to be banned with the "bad" parents. But when the "bad" parents reach a critical mass, then I can see why they would do this. It's not just about problem-solving - it's about catching their attention in a way that will make them stop and say, holy crap, what the heck is going on here?

If you were a "good" parent watching games where the "bad" parents were being abusive towards the kids and officials, I think that this move by the association might actually be sort of affirming - as in, they're recognizing there's a problem, and they're going to pull out all the stops to fix it, and to get the attention of the idiots in the crowd.

And a little peer pressure from the "good" parents towards the "bad" ones who are fucking it up for everyone can't hurt either.


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N.Beltov
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posted 18 June 2008 02:08 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ban has been lifted.

quote:
Spectator Attendance at
Red River Lacrosse Association
Games


To Whom It May Concern

Over the last 24 hours we have received numerous e-mails and

phone calls from our membership expressing their strong feedback

regarding the decision that was made to have spectators removed or

not allowed in the arenas to watch scheduled RRLA box lacrosse play-off

games.

The consensus from our membership is that they recognize their is a

problem with the abuse of officials and many have offered suggestions

to address the issue.

After a considerable amount of discussion with members of the MLA

Board of Directors and with Fred Haight, President of the RRLA, we have

collectively agreed to lift the spectator ban effective immediately.

To address the issue of spectator behaviour we are asking for your

support to help us create a positive environment for players, coaches,

officials, administrators and spectators.

Thank you.

Glen Henkewich, President MLA


Manitoba Lacrosse Association

Let's see if the message got through.


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posted 18 June 2008 07:06 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Let's see if the message got through.

It certainly sounds as if the message got through. The parents' message.


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N.Beltov
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posted 18 June 2008 07:53 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The public humiliation of being singled out like this should have stung the parents. The next step is to see if they've learned anything. The MLA can, presumably, apply the ban AGAIN should they feel the need to do so. And an escalating series of consequences seems like a good way to address this issue.

Not being a big fan of lacrosse, whatever happens they are not going to get me to go to a game. But it's an important problem because it comes up in soccer, hockey, and other sports. Hell, it comes up in chess - believe it or not.


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posted 18 June 2008 07:59 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
The public humiliation of being singled out like this should have stung the parents. The next step is to see if they've learned anything. The MLA can, presumably, apply the ban AGAIN should they feel the need to do so. And an escalating series of consequences seems like a good way to address this issue.

I hope you're right. But read the OP again. The MLA imposes the ban. A parent is quoted by the media - by name - threatening to defy the ban and daring the MLA to do something about it. Within 24 hours the ban is unceremoniously lifted.

Did the rogue parents (like the one quoted) defy the ban while it was in effect? We don't know. Will the MLA bar Michalick, at least, for his public defiance of their authority? Don't lose any money on that bet. Either way, it looks a lot more like capitulation than progressive discipline.

What really irks me is that the police were not called and parents not barred and charges not laid after some of the incidents cited by the MLA for the ban in the first place. That is inexcusable.


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N.Beltov
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posted 18 June 2008 08:09 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The CBC, and presumably some other media types, showed up to some of the games this evening. I don't know how it went, however.

We don't really know all the behind-the-scenes machinations as well. It may be that the MLA actions were perfunctory, and that they were just going through the motions because, say, the referees threatened to quit or something. Hell, this could even be a battle over pay for the refs, I dunno. I don't have any specific insights here, however, and as I noted already, I really don't have any interest in watching a game. Give it a week or two and the smoke should clear a little.


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posted 18 June 2008 08:41 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch this video if you have high speed. It shows one parent that you wouldn't want to tangle with.

When I was a kid, players used to end up in hospital all the time with serious head injuries. No helmets in those days. But the game looks just as prone to violence as always, both on the court and in the stands.


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posted 18 June 2008 11:11 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used to ref hockey. Got tackled coming off the ice of a minor hockey game once. Been followed to my car. I quit.
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