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clockwork
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posted 15 October 2002 04:33 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Armed Females of America
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TommyPaineatWork
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posted 15 October 2002 04:47 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Im not usually in favour of too much gun control..... until I see a site like that.

The ladies doth protest too much, me thinks.

P.S. I'm glad to see the whole thread title revealed here.

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: TommyPaineatWork ]


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posted 15 October 2002 11:47 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Anti-Gunners Exploiting Sniper Victims

besides the obvious tragic, random and senseless loss of life, there’s something else that makes me physically ill about this whole scenario: it’s the nearly gleeful, opportunistic exultation with which gun-control groups have exploited this tragedy to further their agenda – the disarmament of the American people. Nicki

...

quote:
Widow of 9/11 Pilot Blasts Congress

'I call upon both Houses of Congress to get an armed pilot bill on President Bush’s desk before they go home to campaign for reelection. My husband Vic – who supported arming pilots - will never walk through my door again and my children and I will live our lives without his love and support.' Ellen Saracini

*cough* *cough* hypocrites *cough* *cough*


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posted 15 October 2002 07:13 PM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, but a .357 apparently does.
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posted 15 October 2002 07:29 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I protest the thread title. An AK-47 is decidedly un-American.
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posted 15 October 2002 08:03 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yabbut Arch, these are enlightened, globalized, free-trading times. The old Avtomat Kalashnikov is imported into the US. Good enough?
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posted 15 October 2002 08:15 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the quote page

quote:
An armed society is a polite society
-- Robert Heinlein

Of course, if someone doesn't say please or thank you you can always just blow their head off......

GEEZZZZZZZ


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posted 15 October 2002 09:27 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, gun-lovers, correct me if I'm wrong, but this:

does not look like a something you can slip into a purse. In fact, it looks a lot like this great American firearm:

As for the .357 story, something sounds a bit cracked there, and it's not just that Wesley fellow:

quote:
Police said Dunbar ran into Wesley at 4:04 a.m. Thursday when she took her dog for a walk on North Murtland Avenue. A man approached from behind, pointed a rifle at her and told her to stand there while he shot her.

Dunbar pleaded for her life and ran away, screaming for help. A police officer escorted her home and took a report. Dunbar went out about 90 minutes later for a walk. This time, she carried her gun. The same man came up behind her as she walked up a hill. At the top, he pulled a .22-caliber rifle from his pants, pointed it at her and asked, "How would you like me to shoot you?"

Dunbar fired in response.


Too bad she didn't carry her gun the first time she was threatened, and, fortuitously, was able to fire in self defense the second time.


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posted 15 October 2002 09:48 PM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not sure I'm following clockwork, aren't all the pictures AKs?

As to the woman shooter, seems maybe she was mad. I would've been.


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posted 15 October 2002 09:59 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Arch there was protesting my thread title as un-American (assumably in jest). The first picture is from the site I linked, the second is from an undecidely non-American site about a gun of local design.

As for being upset, I'm not arguing that. I'd be upset , too. But what does being upset have to do with this?


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posted 15 October 2002 10:09 PM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, okay, I get it now. By being 'mad' I was attempting to explain the possibly bizarre behavior or going out again after the first ordeal. I'm not sure what 'it' is exactly though.

PS: It's me, clockwork, SHH. Arch is much funnier and smarter and I bet he's really mad at the slight; how ever unintentional.


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posted 15 October 2002 10:25 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heehee....

But that is what sounds wierd here, the 'it'. I mean, we can all speculate on what went on. Maybe she needed to go out again for smokes or something, I don't know. Get a dime bag to calm her nerves, who knows?

That story, I think, was referenced on the Armed Femals site, but if you read the details, it's not nearly the story I was expecting it to be.


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posted 15 October 2002 10:31 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, and I'm surprised no one has commented on this:

Democrats Try to Steal Another Election

See, according to the partisan Republicans, the elections get stolen by the Dems and in the case of Florida in the presidential election, it was "saved" by the judges. Of course... hahaha... I'm giggling to much to explain my thought


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posted 15 October 2002 10:36 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, just wait until that new fully automatic Glock pistol hits the market. 22 rounds in just a few seconds. YEEEEEEEEEhawwwwwwwww!
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posted 16 October 2002 01:54 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Judging by the photos, both SHH and clock' are right. That dame is packing an AK-47.

She must be some kind of Commie trying to give the NRA and Real Women a bad name. A true American would be carrying a Colt or a Smith&Wesson.

Aren't there any of these NRA people in Maryland? Why don't they return fire when that sniper is shooting up gas stations and Home Depots?

Hmmm, head shots with a .223 at long range. This really demonstrates the capabilities of a highly motivated Marine with a weapon.


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posted 16 October 2002 02:45 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I were the police, I'd surely be comparing my current and ex military/police lists with my owners of white van/minivan lists, and looking for matches.

That having been said, I think a person who belonged to a gun club could gain, with practice, this proficiency of marksmenship. Practice makes perfect.

The ability to have a steady aim at another human being does, however, tilt the suspicion scales to someone who has been conditioned to shoot at people.


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posted 16 October 2002 11:48 AM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The media description of “High powered rifle” always leaves me trying to name a “low powered rifle”. It’s especially curious this time because the .223 is actually more of a ‘varmint’ rifle than a big game gun. Very tiny bullet; it was designed to injure as much as kill (for the stark tactical military reason that an injured soldier slows an army down more than a killed one).

I also find the suggestion that this guy is some kind of excellent shot overdone. Virtually anybody with decent vision, a steady hand, and 30 mins of practice/training could easily be hitting apples at 150 yards with great reliability with this gun. It’s as easy as threading a needle.

Maryland btw, has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the US. No one is allowed to ‘carry’ as they are in most states. Of course, some are suggesting the sniper considered that when he set up shop.


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posted 16 October 2002 11:52 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno, SHH. You sound a little TOO sure about what you're saying...
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posted 16 October 2002 12:12 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The media description of “High powered rifle” always leaves me trying to name a “low powered rifle”. It’s especially curious this time because the .223 is actually more of a ‘varmint’ rifle than a big game gun. Very tiny bullet; it was designed to injure as much as kill (for the stark tactical military reason that an injured soldier slows an army down more than a killed one).

I think you might be confusing the .223, which was developed primarily as a military round, with the .22. Very different bullets. It's true though, that the military thinking is that an injured soldier slows down a enemy more than a dead one, but the main reason for adopting this bullet is due to a shift in military strategy. A soldier firing many lower powered rounds is going to be more effective than one firing fewer high powered rounds, due to factors like the range of engagements and the fact that most soldiers cower under enemy fire, and a minority actually gets up and fights.

Interesting history too, with the .223 round. In the fifties the United States insisted that all of NATO adopt a 7.62 mm round as standard for the armed forces, which they did. Then they turned around in the 60's and abandoned that idea and introduced the 5.56 (.223) round, and insisted that all of NATO follow suit, after earlier forcing them into the original, higher powered round.


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posted 16 October 2002 12:14 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A pundit on Newsworld was saying that all sorts of people in the area are taking up arms and hoping that they'll be able to pick off the sniper themselves. Can you imagine?
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posted 16 October 2002 01:22 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They're saying that the sniper was seen carrying an AK-74, which does take 5.56/.223 rounds.

They're also pointing out that the ranges aren't that long on his shots.


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posted 16 October 2002 03:01 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm getting nostalgic for my FN.

The 7.62 NATO round is one heavy-duty projectile. Hit a guy in the elbow and blow half his body apart. The 9mm and 5.56 are, as has been said, made to wound, which ties up more resources, rather than to kill.

This still makes it remarkable that the sniper is having such a lethal effect using this smaller calibre round. I don't believe an AK-47 is known as the weapon of choice for many snipers.

Again, this guy must have had some expert training somewhere along the line.


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posted 16 October 2002 03:21 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read yesterday in the Globe and Mail that Elliot Leyton (although I wouldn't call him an expert on the mind of the serial killer and most of the article seemed like a bad joke) thought the sniper hadn't been in the military. Reasoning: the US military hasn't been engaged in actions for quite some time........ I guess they are sleeping over at Memorial.... or maybe its just Leyton....

He also said he thought the sniper had a grudge..... Like ya think


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posted 16 October 2002 03:23 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He's definitely not using an AK-47, or an AK-74. I think the AK-74 actually uses a 5.45 mm round, but I'm not sure. Either way it does not use the standard NATO round, and the ballistics and spent shell casing they found at the scene don't support the AK theory.
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posted 16 October 2002 03:33 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now we know what the guys forgot to do in the Guy Stuff thread...show off their gun knowledge!

(ducking and running)


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posted 16 October 2002 03:45 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's amazing what today's computer games can learn ya!
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posted 16 October 2002 03:48 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well you know what they say, the bigger the gun, the bigger....... no no, that's all wrong it has something to do with feet
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posted 16 October 2002 08:12 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The definitive site for gun stuff...
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