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No Yards
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posted 20 June 2005 03:39 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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As if the world of stem cell research needed more controversy, a study to be presented in Copenhagen today by British scientists shows that the future could produce lab-created ova and sperm. It could even mean that homosexual partners could produce children that are the genetic match of both partners.

There goes the argument that marriage is for procreating couples only.


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 20 June 2005 03:42 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe lesbians conceiving through such a process could only have female children, as both partners lack a Y-chromosome.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 20 June 2005 03:50 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I trust these FrankenHumans would be suitably labelled, such as we're demanding for GM corn flakes and such?

I'm thinking maybe a nice discreet tattoo or something, maybe with a warning?


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GJJ
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posted 20 June 2005 03:51 PM      Profile for GJJ        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For the moment; I attended a conference in which one speaker predicted (can't remember his name, a medical researcher from Berkeley) that in 50 years we'll probably be able to complete Huxley's dream of "Brave New World" and create babies from completely manufactured gene sequences and incubate - I think that was the word used - them in glorified test tubes so that no woman need ever get pregnant.

Neither men nor women will be needed to propagate the species. Unless of course some of the Artificial Intelligence types turn out to be correct when they say that by fifty years computers will be much more intelligent than us in any case ...

Edit: though maybe the literary reference should have been to Shelley's "Frankenstein"

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posted 20 June 2005 05:40 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by GJJ:
For the moment; I attended a conference in which one speaker predicted (can't remember his name, a medical researcher from Berkeley) that in 50 years we'll probably be able to complete Huxley's dream of "Brave New World" and create babies from completely manufactured gene sequences and incubate - I think that was the word used - them in glorified test tubes so that no woman need ever get pregnant.

argh, how irritating that there are people think it must be a drag for a woman to get pregnant, and are actively working to change that. the very state of being pregnant has brought much joy to women who've been through it despite all the associated aches and pains, and sometimes, unnecessary weight gain. this outlook is so sickening. i wonder how a woman would be able to breastfeed without getting pregnant.

i would be curious to know more about this stem cell breakthrough, especially if there is a gene-selection process, i.e., do people have the choice of rejecting certain unwanted genetic traits, and how people would know if these 'frankenfolks' might have any growth defects, or be prone to certain diseases.


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GJJ
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posted 20 June 2005 05:57 PM      Profile for GJJ        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, a lot of the reseachers of our brave new genetic tomorrow are women; I suppose its possible that their feelings towards pregnancy aren't the same as yours. Its also possible that a lot of them have as yet never been pregnat - its a very new field and most folks in it are pretty young, ink just drying on Phd's and all that.

My own rather Ludditely attitude is that we're playing with things we don't understand, but like most things in science, there could be amazing positive outcomes as well if we approach it correctly (like that'll happen). But pragmatically, its hard to hold back creativity, whether in the arts or in science, and a lot of technical applications such as stem cells are pretty obvious applications of things uncovered by more basic research. I'm not sure how'd we stop it in practice.


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raccunk
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posted 20 June 2005 07:06 PM      Profile for raccunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All it means is that more people will be able to have children. Nothing particularly controversial if you ask me. Unless you have a problem with gays, lesbians, and infertile couples having kids.... Of course, those kinds of people do exist.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 20 June 2005 08:32 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And all genetically modified plants mean is yummy corn. Unless you have a problem with yummy corn?
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nister
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posted 20 June 2005 08:56 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Time to dig out that long thread about child support. Any opinions on whether the sex act, or even consent, is required to bring a paternity suit?
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No Yards
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posted 20 June 2005 08:56 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem with genetically modified corn isn't that they are taking the DNA from two male or two female corns and producing a baby corn ... it's that they are taking the DNA of corn and mixing it with the DNA of a fish so it can breath underwater, or a habatchi so it will cook itself.
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