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Snuckles
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posted 19 October 2003 04:40 AM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Looks like Prince has swapped performing for preaching, reports Ananova.com.

A Minneapolis couple said the singer, who is now a committed Jehovah's Witness, stopped at their home recently and tried to convert them from their Jewish faith.


Read it here.


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Michelle
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posted 19 October 2003 09:21 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whaaaaaaaaaaa!?

This is a sad day for me. I know you'll all think I'm weird, but I've been a Prince fan since high school. And it was the things that will now be completely at odds with his faith that I loved about his music. The celebration of open sexuality and sexual expression being the main one. And I see he's banned 50 of his songs from his playlist (what is that, anyhow? Does that mean no one can play them now?) - I'm willing to bet my favorites will be among them.

A sad, sad day.

Here's his web site. Wow.

A review from USA Today, posted on the watchtower site

This is also interesting - someone posted the full article on this bulletin board, but the link to the article doesn't work any longer, so I'll link you to the thread where the article is posted. It's all about how Prince has not only had a religious "awakening", but also how he has decided to "leave the system" of large record labels and is instead trying an interesting promotion technique on his own. Reminds me a bit of David Bowie's fan business, actually.

CLICK!

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googlymoogly
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posted 19 October 2003 02:49 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think this is his first foray into the JW cult; I seem to remember an earlier pic of him holding a New World Translation Bible (the JW Bible). When I find it I'll let you know.

Seems there are a fair number of celebs who are also Jehovah's Witnesses. My family was part of that cult for about 3 years. I know that Venus and Serena Williams are practicing Jehovah's Witnesses; the whole celeb thing seems to go agsast their often-touted bit about not being a "part of the world", i.e. about not getting involved in "worldly" activities. They're not very big on free expression, either. I'm surprised the Governing Body (the Old Boys' Club that tells the JWs what to think) hasn't criticized this. (I'm not saying they should), but I guess these celebs are great for the publicity of the organization, making it appeal to the public or something.

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beluga2
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posted 19 October 2003 03:40 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't forget Michael Jackson. Who was expelled by the JW's because, among other things, he attended birthday parties and liked magic tricks. Now he's shunned, like all former members; no JW can interact with him, including his own mother and sister.

That "shunning" bit I've always found very disturbing. I knew someone once who left the fold, and was then completely cut off by her own family. It was bizarre; they could talk to and interact with me, a heathen outsider/non-believer, but her they had to ignore and treat like a leper. Caused much entirely gratuitous emotional trauma.


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googlymoogly
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posted 19 October 2003 03:53 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had heard something similar as well. Eisenhower was raised in a JW family but they left the faith before he became President, I believe.

They do that with my family as well. Of course, when we decided to leave (about 4 years ago), my father told the congregation that we did not want to receive the Watchtower or Awake anymore; needless to say, tehy did not listen; every once in a while they come back; every time, they ask us how many copies of these magazines we want. I had a couple of Witness friends; last I heard one of them is married (my age.20) with a child of her own)..

I also know that Selena, the singer who was murdered a few years back, was raised in a JW family. A statue of her was to be unveiled on what would have been her 25th birthday, but when it was revealed that it would not be finished in time, the family was overjoyed, not only because they didn't want to celebrate her birthday, but also because they don't believe in these kinds of public displays or something.

Edited to add: a few months after I left that religion, the friend (the now married one.this was before she was married though) asked me one day "What..'the truth' didn't cut it for you?"

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windymustang
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posted 19 October 2003 09:01 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't realise that JW is considered a cult. I have a few friends who are or were JW and see the extremes in their beliefs, but what exactly classifies it as a cult.

My brother is a devotee (he says student)of Ramtha. This has been legally declared not to be a cult and recognized as an educational institution. Regardless, the cult like behaviors, beliefs and regulations seem to speak differently.

Is Mormonism considered a cult? From what personal experiences I've had, it certainly seems cultlike.


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googlymoogly
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posted 20 October 2003 12:34 PM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What classifies it as a cult? Lemme think....we were encouraged (read persuaded) to cut off ties with non-Witness people, are not allowed to marry non-Witnesses (although, of course, becoming a Witness after marriage is an exception), the services are all the exact same themes (there's really only 3 or 4) with ever-so-slight variations on the words so people get teh illusion that they're being fulfilled; compulsory proselytizing, and disassociation with what are seen as "worldly" activities, like parties involving non-Witness people; the entire social calendar revolves around the Witness community. Plus, the whole bit about strongly discouraging the use of other Biblical translations other than their own (I have done a bit of research and found some vital changes between theirs and the NIV or King James).

I was discouraged from going to University by the JWs because I was told that I would be swayed by rampant witchcraft .

Sorry I went on a bit; it makes me mad to this day .

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Mandos
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posted 20 October 2003 12:37 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As for Mormons, it depends on what Mormons you are dealing with. I know a couple of Mormons online who don't appear to be particularly cultish at all, but I can believe that there exist cultish Mormons.
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marcy
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posted 21 October 2003 11:07 PM      Profile for marcy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The question about Mormonism and cults is a really good one. I've often thought that "wierd ideas" or "bizarre founders" were good places to start but, both of those are pretty subjective. Joseph Smith seems to have been a fraud and a crook. The notion that an angel called Moroni (now there's an unfortunate monicker) dictated the book of Mormon and that Jesus appeared in the New World and so on seem beyond the pale. In fact, all of the "new world religions" seem, well, strange. Somehow, they don't lend themselves to metaphor which is the way various fantastic events from the Old Testament particularly were explained to me in the good old C of E. But I am not a Christian, cultish or otherwise.
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candle
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posted 22 October 2003 01:03 AM      Profile for candle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if Torontians will see Prince coming to the door as he now lives in Toronto for much of the year. It will be a while as he just started his World Tour Down Under.

Here is a more detailed item from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4148286.html

The other interesting thing about this story is that Larry Graham, the bass player from Sly and the Family Stone and his own Graham Central Station was with Prince (Larry Graham also occasionally plays with Prince although Rhonda Smith is playing on the current tour). Larry Graham by most accounts is the person who converted Prince to JW (Prince was raised a Seventh Day Adventist)

David Thomas of Pere Ubu also converted!!!!!

Former Detroit Tigers stars Lou Whitaker and Chet Lemon are also JW's and during the National Anthem at baseball games would not stand at attention as they felt that would mean worshipping it which is against the JW faith.


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googlymoogly
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posted 22 October 2003 01:59 AM      Profile for googlymoogly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From my former experience with the JWs, the whole not standing for the national anthem bit is out of the belief that doing so denotes putting one's country before God.

Just thought I'd offer an explanation about that for those who don't know


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The Oatmeal Savage
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posted 22 October 2003 03:17 AM      Profile for The Oatmeal Savage   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Secret Ceremonies" is a pretty good book on the Mormons, they are a lot stranger than Donny and Marie.
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Kimura
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posted 22 October 2003 07:57 AM      Profile for Kimura     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
eh, i'm not surprised.

i mean MC Hammer's a preacher now. that rapper Mase too.

i wonder how the Artist Formerly Known As the Symbol rationalizes all his overtly sexual music (not to mention his no doubt thrilling sexual history).


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Snuckles
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posted 22 October 2003 07:58 PM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Kimura:
eh, i'm not surprised.

i mean MC Hammer's a preacher now. that rapper Mase too.


I saw Hammer's show on TBN once. I think I also saw Mr. T on there too once, and former Groaning Pains star Kirk Cameron.

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