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wagepeace
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posted 22 June 2001 01:25 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had heard that ...

the 20's were roaring

the 30's were dirty

the 40's were fearful

the 50's were fabulous

the 60's were ???

the 70's were sensational

the 80's were greedy

What were the 90's??


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Michelle
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posted 22 June 2001 02:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What were the 90's? Maybe global? Or wired?
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 June 2001 02:49 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The 90's were the Nostalgia Decade. I can't remember where I first heard that, but it's been repeated a few times, and I think it's a perfect label. Every pop culture trend during the 90's was a revival of something from the past.

We haven't even begun to be wired or global, really. The wired decade is yet to come.

[ June 22, 2001: Message edited by: mediaboy ]


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DrConway
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posted 22 June 2001 04:20 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
the 60's were ???

Camelot.

As for the 1990s, I would say more that it was a decade of pessimism. The double-oughts of the 2000s will more likely be the retro/nostalgia decade. Look at all the retro-ish cars that came out in 1999/2000, plus I've seen more ads out there that seem oddly reminiscent of the 1950s and 1960s.

And dangitall, I have to edit this. I just realized that there's been tons of clothing styles brought back from the 1960s and 1970s. You know those three-button suits? Shit, you can't FIND a two-button single-breasted jacket anymore. You can still find 'em double-breasted, but that's way too fancy.

[ June 23, 2001: Message edited by: DrConway ]


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skdadl
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posted 23 June 2001 09:42 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The 90s: nasty? nefarious? nerdy?

Gee, I disagree about the 70s: that was the decade when the chill set in, when everyone got scared and started wearing pin-striped power suits and going back to get the MBA and learn how to network -- feh!

The 60s: sexy? spacey? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?
Part of it was Camelot ... but then it got strange. In 1968, it began to get very strange, and sad.


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Michelle
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posted 23 June 2001 12:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, Skdadl, but wasn't that the late 70's when people started going business? Right around the time when disco and $100 jeans chased out the hippie fashion for good? I was born in 72 so I wasn't really up on all the trends then, but it seems to me that the whole money-and-good-job-as-a-status-symbol thing didn't become really trendy until around 77, 78, or so? Correct me if I'm wrong...
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skdadl
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posted 23 June 2001 12:26 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi, Michelle -- you're right, it was about 78 in my circle, anyway. But I do remember it hitting my friends and me round about 73, 74, that maybe the party was over ...
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rasmus
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posted 23 June 2001 01:02 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah Michelle, let's blame it all on disco.

But let's not forget that's when punk arose too.

(edited to add rambling comments below)

I'm actually inordinately fond of the seventies, though we are all fond of the honey of our childhood. It was a weird, weird, decade. Besides the punk , lots of good TV shows. Way back before the sixty-jolts-a-minute of modern sitcom writing, when you could actually let a dialogue and a joke unfold... Barney Miller has been measured at two jolts per minute. Look at some of those things, the shots just linger and linger. It's almost unsettling now.

That reminds me, a friend teaches media literacy in high school, and says one piece of footage they use is of news coverage of the Mississauga train derailment, which was, oh 1982 or so as I recall. He says even he (he's about 55) is shocked at how slow it is. The shot lingers on the burning train for what seems like forever, the announcer speaks really slowly... he says the kids stop paying attention because they're used to such jolt-packed TV, and at a certain point they start to get fidgety. My question: there has to be some objective limit to how much advertising we can be exposed to, to how fast media can get, before there is a payoff for them in effectiveness, doesn't there? Where's the threshold, I wonder.

The other thing, I guess I think that until the seventies Toronto was still quintessentially Toronto -- Toronto the Good, that sort of low-key DeGrassi Street ethos. That's really changed for the most part, except in a few parts of town. It's sad, because Toronto may have been boring but it was sweet back then. I recall noticing during the mid-80's how suddenly most cars were no longer automatically stopping for pedestrians. It was a tangible sign of the breakdown of social solidarity.

[ June 23, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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John Hansen
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posted 23 June 2001 05:10 PM      Profile for John Hansen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that the 70's shouldn't be competely maligned because of some tacky fashions, disco, and drugs. Some of the last, best American cinema was made in the 1970's: Scorcese, Coppola, Robert Altman. Action films were better because the film stock used back then made everythine look grubby, somehow hightening the realism. There's a gloss on Hollywood films today where you don't get that naturalistic setting.

News was more journalistic and a lot less flashy. I saw Jon Stewart on Larry King Live this week and he said the current expansion of broadcast news into a dozen different news outlets is making the journalism gene pool too shallow. I get CP24 on the dish and I swear it's causing me to have epileptic fits. It would be nice to go back to a time when the words and pictures allowed themselves to unfold slowly.

I also remember old NDP election ads with Ed Broadbent intoning "Socialism works for Canada!" or some such sentiment. Holy crap. Could you imagine Alexa doing that in a federal election today? It was a good decade I guess if you're left wing.

But the 1970's are my childhood and I think it's true that everyone remembers their childhood as a time of innocence and a time when things were better, no matter when it was.


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DrConway
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posted 23 June 2001 05:40 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's always interesting reading or listening to people discuss the 1970s. I was born in 1975, but I'm more a child of the 1980s since that's when I spent most of my formative years. The thing is, in the political-economic discussions and literature that I've been immersed in, there's a tendency to ignore the 1970s and focus on the 1950s/60s vs the 1980s/90s.

So the 1970s decade fades into the background as a kind of transition decade between two eras.

Just my 2 cents.


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wagepeace
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posted 23 June 2001 05:47 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Lennon took a five year vacation to raise his son begining in 1975. In 1980 in an interview he said,

"It's like the 60's were so fuckin' spaced-out that it took me five years to find myself. But to come back and cut an album is like saying, 'hey, good to see you. It's great to see you made it, weren't the 70's a drag?'"

Then someone killed him


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rasmus
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posted 23 June 2001 05:59 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Right, but *that* was the 80's. By a whisker.

A lot of seventies counterculture was a reaction to the puffery of sixties counterculture as much as to more established power.

Oh I forgot to mention... the 70's was the decade before we knew about AIDS. Big changes there.


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Pimji
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posted 24 June 2001 12:38 AM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the late 70's and early 80's there was a moratorium on drugs , STDs and drinking and driving. I was around 18 then, the only things that mattered was sex drugs and rock and roll, that is at least until everything came crashing to a halt in 1992. Enter the Brian Mulrouney era.
I would say that the 90's was greed and the new millenium is capital G greed.

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skdadl
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posted 24 June 2001 10:34 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Puffery, eh? Puffery! Young whippersnappers, grouch grouch grouch.

Float like a butterfly; sting like a bee ... And besides, we had Julie Christie. So there.


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 10:52 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*laugh*

skdadl, can this pseudofelinoid entity interest you in warming up your lap? *flicks tail and sits on your feet*


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 24 June 2001 10:59 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Given the economics, how about the "bubbling Nineties"?
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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 11:09 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, that's not a bad one.

Jim Stanford calls the decade the "Nasty Nineties" (because of the relative weakness of the Canadian "real economy" compared to the explosive "paper economy").


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rasmus
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posted 24 June 2001 11:31 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl: hey, you went for the bait
Swim like a fish...glub, glub, glub...

I was only reporting... I should have said "perceived puffery", I guess.

[ June 24, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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skdadl
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posted 24 June 2001 11:32 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I like the bubble pun too!

And DrC: Gosh, we thought we were liberated, but my stars, your proposition shocks and appals me! Quick -- I need my walker!


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2001 11:52 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl: But aren't felinoid entities supposed to be darlings when purring in one's lap?
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rasmus
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posted 24 June 2001 12:22 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Btw, I like bubbling too Unfortunately in a contest between "bubbling" and "nasty", I fear alliteration may win out.
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