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jeff house
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posted 08 December 2001 06:10 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Washington Post reports that:

"In a recently discovered terrorist training manual, trainees are instructed to take advantage of lax U.S. firearms laws to obtain and learn to use deadly weapons."

Canada should demand action on this threat to our joint security.


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DrConway
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posted 08 December 2001 08:18 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
*snicker* As if. Gun nuts down there act like taking away their guns and clamping down on their ability to get 'em is like cutting their wangs off.

You'd sooner get Americans to embrace the concept of real racial equality than you'd get them to give up the odd cultural fetish about guns.


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Pimji
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posted 08 December 2001 08:50 PM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I wonder where all those hand guns, that are allegedly so easy to get here in Canada, are coming from?
Somehow, I doubt that the wannabe Americans in the Canadian Alliance will raise the issue of the facts outlined in the terrorist training manual. It would also be as unlikely for the Liberals to even think of raising this issue as this would be seen as doing something meaningful.

It appears most of the US population has become very comfortable with the idea of trading human life for the constitutional right to arm bears , er I mean bear arms.


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PanzerLeader
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posted 08 December 2001 08:59 PM      Profile for PanzerLeader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe they don't want to pushed around by lefties who hate guns. Maybe lefties should mind there own fucking business when it comes to people's firearms. No lefty will ever get my guns or anything else that I own. YOU HEAR THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

Fear not the socialist, for he is weak.


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Pimji
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posted 08 December 2001 09:31 PM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Have you registered your guns yet?

You have to. It is against the law not to.


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Debra
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posted 08 December 2001 09:50 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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YOU HEAR THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

WOW, did you come up with that all by yourself?


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Ken Wickman
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posted 08 December 2001 10:02 PM      Profile for Ken Wickman        Edit/Delete Post
Panzerleader ... guns are no answer. Some of my brothers took up arms at Gustaffson Lake, B.C., in the 90s. Bad move, just like Oka. Doesn't solve a damn thing.
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DrConway
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posted 08 December 2001 10:14 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Maybe they don't want to pushed around by lefties who hate guns. Maybe lefties should mind there own fucking business when it comes to people's firearms. No lefty will ever get my guns or anything else that I own. YOU HEAR THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

Are you still prepared to be an absolutist on the subject of the right to own guns when it's obvious that the feds in the USA show a terrorist manual that specifically names poor enforcement of gun laws in the USA as one of the "exploitable weaknesses" of your beloved United States of America?


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Ken Wickman
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posted 08 December 2001 10:22 PM      Profile for Ken Wickman        Edit/Delete Post
An exploitable weakness here in B.C., too, Dr. Conway. Gustaffson Lake was rife with rifles -- I knew some of the people there, including the man who called himself "Lasagna". Back east, it's an even bigger problem in native communities along the St.Lawrence (easy access to the Excited States). It isn't just smuggling smokes.

And our leadership won't address it.


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jeff house
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posted 08 December 2001 11:59 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
YOU HEAR THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!


So you're with Bin Ladin on this one too.


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posted 09 December 2001 07:13 AM      Profile for Apemantus        Edit/Delete Post
So those who hold guns because it protects them from an overweening state have no problem with that state being overweening to foreigners and to civil liberties at home? Seems like a crock of shit to me!!!

We don't have wide availability of guns in the UK and our murder rates are lower than the US, our police unarmed, and we feel a lot safer than we would with guns legalised. And when questioned, the majority want it to stay that way.

I remember saying to a mate who had just moved to London and was noticing that he felt less safe in such a big city and thus was going to carry a knife to protect himself that it just ups the stakes. The theory is that you have a gun as well and that protects you as the stakes can go no higher, but then the guy with the gun robbing you is gonna be more used to using it, is gonna be quicker with it and ain't gonna take no chances and might just shoot you for the fuck of it!

Most murders are crimes of passion not preplanning, most gun usage is not logically or sensibly thought out - its just a lethal weapon in the hands of a lethal untrained person, and it can ruin their life and those around them as well as their victims.

What a waste.

"Now, give me that pistol, mister. Nice and easy now, stop your shouting, we'll get you a tank to play with in the hospital..."

[ December 09, 2001: Message edited by: Apemantus ]


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Michelle
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posted 09 December 2001 08:52 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I knew a fellow whose family felt pretty much the same way as PL does about guns. They stopped feeling that way when a member of their family used a gun out of the collection to commit suicide. I guess it's not so much fun to pry guns out of cold dead hands after all.
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David Kyle
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posted 09 December 2001 10:33 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
No lefty will ever get my guns or anything else that I own. YOU HEAR THAT, YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, they already have your CAR!!! Yes, thats right. They can take it away at any moment since you registered your vehicle each year.

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Pimji
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posted 09 December 2001 11:01 AM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I went to college with a guy who was an avid military paraphinalia collector. A few years after graduation I read in the Ottawa Citizen that he shot a guy in the head in one of those crimes of passion. He used a German made hand gun from his collection. He might be half finished his sentence by now.

There is something else I don’t get about the comments regarding socialists. The military survives purely by practising socialism in its purest form. If it wasn’t for public money there would be no military. The old days of Communist China or Russia have direct parallels to the military modern military of today. From the hierarchical command structure right down to the foot soldier. You are told what to, do when to do it, no questions asked, here is your uniform and where you will be doing your job.

“Militarism is the antitheses of freedom. In short, the Americans by backing George Bush's War on Terrorism seem to be opposing some of their own cherished values and are, in that sense, in conflict with themselves. Countries like Canada and Britain who are following the current US administration into the War on Terrorism, are similarly undermining some vital aspects of their society's physical and mental health - in the fervent belief they are doing what is necessary and good.

Whatever Mr. Bush's and his administrations motives are, which we can only guess at for now, the evidence shows that we now have in North America and Europe governments who are introducing restrictive and counter productive measures in the belief that what they are doing is necessary and good (not counting those who are exploiting this misapprehension for personal profit as they sell "security" to naive and scared civilians)
At the verbal level there is virtually nothing we can do about opposing the War on Terrorism. The people who in the Britain, Canada, Germany and US support and implement these seemingly useful and necessary "security" measures all obey the same logic. What these security measures have in common is that they are backed by armed force and serve to enhance the use
of armed force.

Thus, if there one were to draw a line between those who subscribe to the logic of making the world more secure by new "security measures" and those who oppose them, the line would be between people who rely on armed force on one side and people who want to do without armed force on the other.”


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PanzerLeader
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posted 09 December 2001 01:13 PM      Profile for PanzerLeader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Pimji, you know I had tough time with that one. Ask me next year after the dealine. I think C-68 is a socialist law passed by the liberal lackies of the feminist movement. Why did C-68 come about? Dec. 6. Was that an awful event, of course it was. Was there need for new laws, no. It was a knee-jerk reaction so typical of that group.

The old system was far better. Did you know that you had to meet with your local police face to face before you got your FAC. Now,all you do is fill out a sheet of paper and send it away to N.B. You never meet with anyone.

The whole system is a waste of money and is poorly run. Did you know the feds plan to turn it over to a private company. I have enough trouble telling the feds, do you think I would trust a private company with that knid of info.

The law is also a joke. For example all most all mags must be set to 5 rounds for a rifle and 10 for a pistol. Chirst, no one actual does that. I know guys who have shown the police 75rd AK-47 drum mags, and cops don't care. That is during a "visit". If you own certain firearms, the police pay you a visit once a year, to check on them.

All firearms owners I have talked to believe that because of the actions of one man, we have all been blamed. If this was about blacks or Asians, it would be racist, but about gun owners, it is OK?

Because of C-68 owners have become more militant. If we don't defend our rights, no one else will. I don't want Canada to end up like the UK or else where. If you own firearms, good. If you don't, mind your own business. Hunting and firearms is part of my cultural backround, yes I am white, and I do have culture. It is just as important as any other group.

"There are only three boxes that count in democracy, the soap box, the ballot box and the ammo box"

"Freemen own guns, slave do not"


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Apemantus
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posted 09 December 2001 01:31 PM      Profile for Apemantus        Edit/Delete Post
Panzer Leader

quote:
I don't want Canada to end up like the UK or else where


Explain, please?


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Slick Willy
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posted 09 December 2001 03:03 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Owning a firearm is just fine for some folks.
I would like to see the club become a little more exclusive though. If the U.S. enforced the exitsing laws there would not be such a problem.

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audra trower williams
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posted 09 December 2001 04:14 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Not so sure this is pop culture. I'm going to move this to "news", okay?

PanzerLeader: Lay off the all caps, dude.


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