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al-Qa'bong
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posted 18 August 2003 12:31 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most overrated - David Bowie. Personification of "B.S artist".

Underrated - Putney Dandridge. A singer from the 30's whom the critics dismissed as "gimmicky" and a Fats Waller clone.

There's a busker (hammered dulcimer player) from Calgary named Tomko Lamb who's purty good, too.


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posted 18 August 2003 07:23 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the law firm of wizard, wizard and wizard regretfully wishes to point out certain recent accomplishments of our client, david robert jones, known more commonly as "david bowie",

Bowie to play global cinema gig

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David Bowie is known as a supporter of new technologies, first using e-mail in the 1980s and being among those who pioneered downloads in the 1990s. Now, Bowie is to let thousands of fans see his intimate album launch concert by beaming it into cinemas around the world.

Billed as "the world's first live and interactive music event", the gig will be shown in cinemas from Warsaw to Rio de Janeiro. And fans are promised the chance to make song requests and ask questions to the star from the cinemas during the 90-minute show. The gig will take place in London on 8 September, a week before the release of his new album, Reality. More than 20 cinemas across Europe will receive the show live by satellite.


any further slander or defamation will be dealt with in the strongest terms.

[ 18 August 2003: Message edited by: Willowdale Wizard ]


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posted 18 August 2003 08:08 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you, WW.
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posted 18 August 2003 10:25 AM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like David Bowie . He programs children's radio and is a good guy. I think he takes undue hostilities because he wore dresses and such.

[ 18 August 2003: Message edited by: Hawkins ]


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posted 18 August 2003 11:04 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Didja see "The Man Who Fell To Earth"? That's a strange one.
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posted 18 August 2003 11:42 AM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bowie built his career on ripping off other, better artists and taking all the credit. In reality, he was nothing more than a rock dilettante, hitching his wagon to whatever star happened to come his way. Pfft. Far and away the most overrated artist in rock'n'roll.
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posted 18 August 2003 11:58 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Bowie built his career on ripping off other, better artists and taking all the credit.

And in the pop-music business, this distinguishes him how, exactly?


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posted 18 August 2003 12:16 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Bowie built his career on ripping off other, better artists and taking all the credit.
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And in the pop-music business, this distinguishes him how, exactly?


Touche.


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posted 18 August 2003 01:01 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most overated? I'd have to say Sting.

Or maybe U2, Bloody U2.


Of Current bands, surely we can all agree on Creed.

Underated. Hmm. In this day and age, with all the hype, can anyone claim to be underated?


Be that as it may, my vote goes to "The Tea Party" in this catagory.


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posted 18 August 2003 01:25 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Overrated: Coldplay

Underrated: Spiritualized


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posted 18 August 2003 01:36 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Overrated: Hands down, no rivals, The Beatles.

Underrated: There are countless cab-drivers, housepainters, buskers, waiters and even some homeless musical virtuosos out there. Mainstream popularity and muscial talent are, of course, only coincidentally related. Many performers who are brilliant musicians are at least recognized by other musicians and obscure music publications that no-one reads, even if they can't sell any albums or get airplay.

"Standing in the Shadow of Motown" is not only the best film I've seen all year, but a tribute to the highly underrated "Funk Brothers".


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posted 18 August 2003 03:07 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ahh, Spiritualized. That was going to be my choice for underrated. Absolutley fucking brilliant.

And the Beatles overrated? Can you overrate a band that single-handedly transformed the rock n' roll landscape multiple times? Is there any other band with three brilliant songwriters? (Sorry Ringo... ) It may piss some people off that they get so much credit, especially if you don't like their music, but they are one of the few bands that deserve the hype.

My vote for Overrated certainly goes to Coldplay for one, and probably The Vines. The NME just pisses me off so much. Why do they think they can just pick the 'Next Big Thing' anytime they want and people will buy it? Clearly, they are correct. Fuck I hate the NME.


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posted 18 August 2003 04:14 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Overrated: Coldplay

Fucking-A! I didn't mind them when they were just another Radiohead-lite, standing around in the rain sad bastard band (a la Travis, Starsailor etc. etc.). Now, all of a sudden, they're the Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread, the singer's dating Gwyneth and they're all over the Top 40. Only problem is: they're totally bland. I saw them when they came through Edmonton a couple of months ago and was completely underwhelmed. A friend of mine desscribed their music as "beige". Right on, buddy.


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posted 18 August 2003 04:20 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That backwards video of theirs is pretty neat, though.
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posted 18 August 2003 05:55 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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And the Beatles overrated? Can you overrate a band that single-handedly transformed the rock n' roll landscape multiple times? Is there any other band with three brilliant songwriters? (Sorry Ringo... ) It may piss some people off that they get so much credit, especially if you don't like their music, but they are one of the few bands that deserve the hype.


To me this is the old hyperbole that illustrates my point. (I don't say "proves" because it is all a matter of taste in the end). IMO they had one possibly "brilliant" songwriter, John, a uninspired (IMO) but certainly competent and prolific pop-hit-producing-machine, Paul, and George. Though "While my Guitar Gently Weeps" is one of my favourite pop songs, period, I haven't heard enough of George Harrison's solo material to weigh in with an opinion as to his overall songwriting ability.

Because they were such pop stars, of course, we find that many pop artists were influenced by them, no suprise there, but "single-handedly transformed the rock n' roll landscape multiple times"? Not in my books. Whatever innovations they achieved were largely the result of George Martin and they had a lot of comtemporaries who were also shaping the "rock 'n' roll landscape", like (to name but a few) the Kinks, Donovan, The Animals, The Who, the Rolling Stones and across The Pond, The Byrds, The Beach Boys and Frank Zappa.

I don't hate the Beatles and count "Abbey Road" among my all-time favourite albums.

I just think they are unbelievably overrated in terms of influence because of their immense popularity and visibility.


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posted 18 August 2003 07:14 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Regardless of their "influence," the Beatles were not overrated. They deserve the kudos

Now if you really want to talk about overrated, there is one king: Elvis Presley.


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posted 18 August 2003 07:17 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, yeah, but the only reason that Elvis is overrated is because there is such an extreme cult - Jesus Christ himself couldn't live up to the Elvis hype.

But it's funny he should be mentioned now - I was just thinking about him today and wondering whether he had appeared in that "best" thread - not because I necessarily think he was the best, but there must be SOME people who think so.

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posted 18 August 2003 08:26 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:
And the Beatles overrated? Can you overrate a band that single-handedly transformed the rock n' roll landscape multiple times? Is there any other band with three brilliant songwriters? (Sorry Ringo... )

Aww, come on now. I grew up loving Octopus's Garden!


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posted 18 August 2003 11:40 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Now if you really want to talk about overrated, there is one king: Elvis Presley.

Thou hast blasphemed.

Repent sinner or forever feel a hunka hunka burnin' hellfire.


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I was just thinking about him [Elvis] today and wondering whether he had appeared in that "best" thread - not because I necessarily think he was the best, but there must be SOME people who think so.

Yes, he's there -- I listed "Elvis, Scotty & Bill" in my "best band" choices. Early Elvis (say, up to '58) holds up very well, thank you. Thankyouverymuch.

As for the Beatles: without them, the Kinks, Stones, Who, etc. would never have even been heard of by anyone outside England. Brian Wilson would never have done his best work (Pet Sounds, "Good Vibrations"), which was inspired by his musical rivalry with the Beatles. The Byrds? Their formation was a direct result of David Crosby et al. watching (and loving) the movie A Hard Day's Night (and Roger McGuinn's trademark jangly 12-string guitar sound was borrowed directly from George Harrison). Dylan wouldn't have "gone electric" without the Beatles' inspiration.

The Beatles' influence really is impossible to overestimate. Not just their own musical talents, but the changes, innovations and inspirations they sparked in everyone around them.


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posted 19 August 2003 07:45 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think in the very early days of Rock, there was a fleeting moment where the audience drove the market, and not the industry.

The early Elvis and the early Beatles probably fit in here.

Behind the fight over copyright, the underlying fear from RIAA is that the audience will fragment and start to drive the industry again.

Can't have that; it's too hard to market to an eclectic audience.


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posted 19 August 2003 10:40 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd also like to point out that Lennon/McCartney wrote the very first Rolling Stones single.

Of course, I like the Stones better, because they rock so hard.


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posted 19 August 2003 12:14 PM      Profile for Secret Agent Style        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most underrated band:

The Creation


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The Creation is close, but the real mod rock unsung heroes are The Pretty Things. Oh man, they rock.
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posted 20 August 2003 01:07 PM      Profile for kuba walda        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most overrated Micheal Jackson
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posted 20 August 2003 01:08 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Overrated: Coldplay

Who? They can't be THAT overrated. I've never heard of them. Are they the current Top Forty/altrock flavour-of-the-month or what?


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I'd also like to point out that Lennon/McCartney wrote the very first Rolling Stones single.

I thought the first RS single has "Come On" by Chuck Berry on the "A" side and Willie Dixon's "I Want to be Loved" on the "B" side.

No doubt some Beatles acolyte will inform me that Chuck Berry and Willie Dixon got all their material from Lennon/McCartney.


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Overrated: Weezer, The Strokes, Eminem

Underrated: The Weakerthans, Emm Gryner.


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Overrated: Tragically Hip, NOFX, Pink Floyd
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Actually, I think it was the Stones' second single that was written by Lennon/McCartney ("I Wanna Be Your Man"). Their first big hit.
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Underrated:

The Josh Joplin Group (I could add this to the "I'm currently listening to..." thread)
Stephen Fearing
Scott Merritt
Neil Finn
Glenn Phillips (formerly of Toad the Wet Sprocket)
Joe Jackson
Shawn Colvin
Jane Siberry
Jackson Browne
Skydiggers


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posted 25 August 2003 04:14 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AARGH!

Pink Floyd overrated? I think not. They are rated correctly as one of the greatest bands in history.

Most overrated? The Eagles

Most underrated? Dido


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posted 25 August 2003 04:39 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most underrated Canadian band?

The Boomers.
No youngsters, these, and with four superb albums under their belts, they should be far better known and appreciated.


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