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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 07 August 2003 05:01 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i was reading this in comic book form last friday, and i nearly burst out laughing in the store.

religious comic books that portray a romanian media magnate who becomes the UN secretary-general as the anti-christ?

Tribulation Force

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Unlike the first volume in the Left Behind series, volume two, Tribulation Force, moves slightly out the realm of science fiction and more into the realm of religious drama.

As we learned in the first book, now that the rapture has occurred, the world is now set to be faced with seven years of terror. During which time those left behind after the rapture have a last ditch chance to accept Christ and go to heaven.

The members of the newly formed Tribulation Force, consists of Bruce Barnes the visitation pastor that got left behind, and his core group of students, Rayford Steele, a pilot, his daughter Chloe, and Cameron (Buck) Williams, a famous newspaper reporter.

Their task is to study and learn all about the trials that have been preordained, and to figure out how best to survive them, while at the same time trying to bring as many people to Christ as possible - before it is too late.

In the midst of all this chaos, is of course, Nicolae Carpathia, a Romanian politician who meteoric rise to power in the first novel saw him become head the United Nations, and basically, King of the World. Nicolae, as virtual world leader is rapidly, and without much difficulty, instituting his theories of world leadership, including the formation of a single religion for the entire world, total disarmament (except for his forces), and total control of the worlds media. He has also moved the UN to Babylon.


Amazon Reviews

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The best glimpse into the future that I won't be here for
June 1, 2003
Reviewer: from Burke, VA

Before reading the Left Behind books, I read another book called "Conquest of Paradise: An End-Times Nano-Thriller". The book so closely mirrored both the scriptures and present day reality, giving the reader a story that they were drawn directly into like Left Behind. I read "Left Behind" in three days, and "Tribulation Force" even faster. I felt so much a part of the book that I felt I might miss something if I put it down for too long. This book made me think more of what people will actually go through after the Rapture and how much I don't want to be a part of those "left behind". "Tribulation Force" covers a larger time period in its limited space than does "Left Behind". In all, I can't wait to read "Nicolae" and see what happens next!



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Michelle
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posted 07 August 2003 07:53 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've read the first five or six books in the series. While I thought they were a bunch of bunk theologically, I still found them an interesting read. First, because I found it fascinating to read fiction based on the fantasies of fundamentalist televangelists. Secondly, because I've always thought the apocalypse makes for a pretty cool story no matter what perspective it's told from.

Besides, I found myself getting interested in the interpersonal stuff in the novels despite myself. I made sure to borrow them from the library instead of buying them so that not a cent of my money would support those homophobic, bigoted creeps.

Haven't seen the comic books though.


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 07 August 2003 08:17 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it must be a large market to have an entire series, plus comic versions of each book. and it's distributed internationally (if i can find it in a small english city of 250 000).

for me, it's a bit disturbing if christian youth in the US are being reared on this image of the UN sec-general as the anti-christ, disarmament = bad, rapture imminent, etc.


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posted 07 August 2003 08:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a HUGE market, WW. There are some denominations that buy the books and videos wholesale, from what I've heard. Tons of church libraries, tons of interested fundamentalist Christian individuals, and probably a few people like me besides, who read them out of curiosity and interest even if we think it's a bunch of hooey.
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posted 08 August 2003 04:29 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I need to read these things, if only to be shocked and awed.

Incidentally, speaking of comic books and the like, there is actually a religious Archie comic I've got buried in a box at my mom's place.

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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 08 August 2003 04:42 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've always thought the apocalypse makes for a pretty cool story no matter what perspective it's told from.

agreed. i've never read the bible all the way through (though i've managed the koran), but revelation kicks ass.


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posted 08 August 2003 06:29 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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agreed. i've never read the bible all the way through (though i've managed the koran), but revelation kicks ass.

Yeah, it's like a big ol' holy acid trip.


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posted 08 August 2003 07:41 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yeah, man, like, we were in my friend's bedroom, and my head was spinning, but i saw seven golden lampstands and this guy with a long robe and with a golden sash across his chest, and then, WHOA, all of a sudden this sea of glass and emerald throne appeared and RAWWWR this beast. man, that was good shit.
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posted 09 August 2003 03:23 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The classic religious comic books are, of course, the Chick series, available on the net for your amusement at:
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp

Look at this one: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0045/0045_01.asp

I just KNEW Satan was a CEO!

And you must beware the DEATH COOKIE!
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

ROFL!!!


I know it's not nice to make fun of people's religious beliefs, but do they have to make it so easy?


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posted 09 August 2003 08:44 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A Christian movie studio made a feature out of "Left Behind" starring Kirk Cameron a few years ago. Was never in general release but churches could book screenings and it's now on video.

As for Chick comix, I used to find their "tracts" left on the subway when I was a kid. They were hilarious but didn't have much of a spiritual effect on me.


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 09 August 2003 08:56 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
kirk cameron in charge of defeating the anti-christ? i feel reassured.
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posted 09 August 2003 09:35 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fun with Jack Chick (with play by play commentary by a fan ).

See Jack Chick's attempt at Blaxploitation
and I suspect someone changed the text in this classic.

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posted 09 August 2003 09:38 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by black_dog:
Yeah, it's like a big ol' holy acid trip.

Think that's cool, try the beginning of Ezekiel on for size.

Hey, is it just me, or does Satan from the Satan as CEO comic look a lot like Jonathan Frakes?

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posted 09 August 2003 09:53 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chick Parodies

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posted 09 August 2003 03:42 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On a more positive note, cartoonist Gene Yang, who also does the absolutely wonderful stip American Born Chinese, recently produced a comic book version of the Rosary. It's designed to be both a nice comic book adaptation of the lives of Mary and Jesus and as a prayer aid like a traditional rosary. I think it's a neat project.
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posted 14 August 2003 08:14 AM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jack Chick comics are always a hoot. Someone would always leave some lying around at the hospital I used to work at.

Jello Biafra included a mock Chick tract called "Devil Doll?" in one of his spoken word albums.

And don't forget Bibleman, which isn't a comic book per se, but in that whole superhero genre.

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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 08 September 2003 06:47 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Nation catches up to babble ... they've discovered the "Left Behind" series.
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posted 08 September 2003 08:20 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heehee! I love amusing myself with Jack Chick tracts. They're written in such a one-sided and one-dimensional way they develop logical flaws by the dozen.

As for Left Behind, I mentioned elsewhere I actually read the entire book series as it is all the way through, and they're good character novels, although I disagree with the premise. I also had to giggle at the constant Deus Ex Machinae pulled out in order to save the main characters and even some of the semi-major characters. Yes, some did die, but much of the so-called "Tribulation Force" manages to make it through to just before the Second Coming, which is where the last book leaves off.

The opposing characters, except for of course Nicolae Carpathia, are usually portrayed as buffoons and idiots, which is just another slanting of the deck to favor the main characters. As well, elements of Revelation prophecy are interpreted in a way that imparts special characteristics to, of course, the "believers". I especially have to snicker at the sidekick for Carpathia, a man named Leon Fortunato, who vainly insists on being called "Supreme Commander" at all times and who regularly gets put down by almost everyone except Carpathia - for example, he gets called "Supreme Nincompoop" to his face by a friend of Carpathia's.

In contrast to the Left Behind series, another book series, the Jesus Christ Clone series, uses interpretations of prophecy that give far less leeway to "believers" - for example, the "mark of the believer" is visible to anyone and is restricted to the 144,000 Messianic Jews rather than visible only to "believers" and shows up on anyone "truly converted". This, of course, means the locusts bite almost everybody on Earth.

The one big beef I have with these end-times books, though, is that they tend to take sideswipes against non-Messianic Jews.

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Gir Draxon
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posted 14 September 2003 01:21 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a question about this one.

What is that symbol on Satan's chest? That one that looks like an upside down Y with the stem extended down. What is it called and what is it's meaning?

I have seen it before. On the websites of groups like the national alliance. So i just assumed it was some kind of racist logo. Makes sense for Satan to wear such a logo, but I was curious as to what the full meaning of the symbol is.


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posted 14 September 2003 01:23 AM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe it's supposed to be an upside-down cross with its arms broken. At least, that's what they always told me to look out for in Christian school.
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posted 14 September 2003 12:19 PM      Profile for Meowful   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, that's quite the "cartoon" Gir. I don't know what to think of it 'cept that the art wasn't very good.

And those guys Ashley was hangin' out with look a lot like some of my friends...


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posted 14 September 2003 05:05 PM      Profile for batz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those books and tracts are a massive business, as is anything to do with religion. A friend pointed out to me that the best business model you can think of will be the one that: if the product fails to satisfy, the customer will blame himself.

Drugs, medicine, religion and consulting. Though I doubt that satan is actually a CEO, rather he's just a top tier investor. The CEO's just do all the work.


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posted 14 September 2003 07:31 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by batz:
Though I doubt that satan is actually a CEO, rather he's just a top tier investor. The CEO's just do all the work.

Yeah, I suspect the guy with horns is a venture capitalist. He takes your intellectual capital, sets up his own princes to run the corporation, gives you a tiny share of the stock, and slams you down into the depths of the R&D department. I've seen it happen loads of times.


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