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Jingles
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posted 25 June 2007 09:10 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
along with wife and son in an apparent murder suicide.

Creepy. Another pro-wrestler meets a weird premature death.

Anything to do with steroids?

Unlike most professional wrestlers, Benoit seemed to take the wrestling part seriously, and demonstrated more athleticism than carnival shtick.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 25 June 2007 11:24 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think that, under the circumstances, I'd be more inclined to call the deaths of his wife and son "creepy".

Then again, until today, I had never heard of him (not being snobby... just not interested). Suddenly, there are "tributes" to him springing up on Facebook and elsewhere.


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posted 25 June 2007 11:38 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It just seems so desparately pathetic in its tragedy, doesn't it? No-nonsense, head down, yes sir/no sir guy with the working-class seal of approval from toes to cauliflower ears appears to have done the unthinkable: murder his wife and child.

The WWE did a tribute to him tonight, apparently, and had to do some careful dancing around a story-line around the (fake) death of Vince McMahon - which in a rare display of tact on their part, has been dropped.

There has also been some careful stepping around what it appears to have been a brutal murder, the painfully common "he seemed so quiet and nice" that covers so many sins within the family - the man's man who becomes wildly abusive within the home.

we don't know the story here, if there are drugs or depression or disease or what have you that might have had some impact here. But as it stands, the tribute to Chris Benoit may end up being amongst the saddest commentaries on skewed priorities I've ever seen.


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jrose
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posted 26 June 2007 06:25 AM      Profile for jrose     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh great, another young wrestler dies, which will only fuel my boyfriend's growing interest in why so many wrestlers die young, which means only one thing to me: a half-hour phone conversation on his theories! Haha, It's going to be a long night!

I must add, that of course this is a tragedy, I shouldn't make light of!

Edited for insensitivity ...

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posted 26 June 2007 07:58 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A friend of mine persuaded me to drive him from Hearst to Toronto to watch Hulk Hogan at the Gardens, around 1992, against Andre the Giant, I think he was. That one match was great, all the other stuff was a drag, I went outside the arena for a beer while it was still going on. Haven't been to a match since. Apparently the Hulk is retired. Growing up in Ottawa I went to a few matches at the Civic Centre - it was fun, although we all knew it was pure hookum. Not much else going on in Ottawa in those days.
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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 08:21 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
Homlies and tributes to Chris Benoit are at best ill-considered. As it presently stands there are allegations that he murdered his wife and 7 year old son!!

Seems to me that wrestling of old was much healthier than the latest brand of soap opera and steroids.

I rememebr for example Killer Kowalski, Dick "the bulldog" Brower, Antonia Rocca, Edouard Carpentier, Bruno Sammartino, Bobo Brazil, they seemed cleaner (maybe silly) but it was real fun


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posted 26 June 2007 09:36 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Petsy:
I rememebr for example Killer Kowalski, Dick "the bulldog" Brower, Antonia Rocca, Edouard Carpentier, Bruno Sammartino, Bobo Brazil, they seemed cleaner (maybe silly) but it was real fun

Edouard Carpentier was the best - with real talent. Mad Dog Vachon was also quite good. Quebec produced some interesting wrestlers back then, in the 1960s. There was also a football player who turned pro wrestler, don't remember his name, but I think he played for the Alouettes. I think he was undefeated as a wrestler.


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oldgoat
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posted 26 June 2007 09:53 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I believe Boom Boom you are referring to Angelo Mosca.

Petsey brings up some great old names. I'm remembering Fritz Von Eric, perpertrator of "the claw" and wonderful bad guy. Lord Athol Layton. (i'm sincerely hoping no connection to jack) My dad took me to Maple Leaf Gardens once where Billy Red Lyons was on the card.


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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 09:54 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
You may be referring to Angelo Mosca who played with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

The Vachon family is legendary, Paul "the butcher" Vachon and sister Vivian all great wrestlers along with another quebecer, Gilles "the Fish" Poisson. And lets not forget other great canadian rasslers like Edmontonian Gene Kiniski, Hamiltonians John and Chris Tolos, Torontonian Whipper Billy Watson.

Then we had, Sailol Art Thomas, Nature Boy Buddy Rogers, Tarzan Zora, Hans Schmit, Abdullah the butcher, what others can babblers recall?


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oldgoat
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posted 26 June 2007 09:58 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
remember "The Beast from Borneo? Like get a bikini wax, man. Then of course there was the complete and utter tastelesness of midget wrestling, with the likes of Little Beaver and Sky lo Lo.
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posted 26 June 2007 10:20 AM      Profile for farnival     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
i do believe three legends have not been mentioned yet....Rowdy Roddy Piper, the frightening Dusty Rhodes, and the other Hart brother not mentioned in the article...Brett "The Hitman" Hart - "The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be!!!!"

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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 10:35 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
We should be careful not to confuse decades.

Rowdy Robbie Piper, Dusty Rhodes and Brett Hart are from the 1980s. Those I mentioned date back to the 1960s...some like the Vachons endured to the 70s.

Old goat, ya Lord Athol Layton, loved him, couldnt wrestle worth a wit but a great performer..also Dr. Gerry Graham, Sweet Daddy Siki, and into the 70s and 80s, Greg "the hammer" Valentine, Honky Tonk Man, Jesse the Body ventura, Jake the snake, the ultimate warrior, and what of the women of yester year and today??? The Fabulous Moolah, Kate Sweet and Little Princess (she wasnt that little about 5'10 135lbs) and probably the best strangling scissor hold in the business!! ....a tragic event leads to a nostalgia that takes us away on a hot and muggy summer day

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Michelle
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posted 26 June 2007 10:38 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And just what is wrong with the 80's!? I'll have you know that my dad and I used to watch Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Jake the Snake, etc.
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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 26 June 2007 10:40 AM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
The Honky Tonk Man was the Greatest Intercontinental Champion of all time! And he also has a tremendous singing voice.
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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 10:41 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
Nothing at all wrong with the 80s...just different thats all, more flash less wrestling but fun in its own right
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Boom Boom
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posted 26 June 2007 10:43 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
I believe Boom Boom you are referring to Angelo Mosca.

Yup! He's the one! He had quite a temper, too.

Lord Athol Layton.


Another one of the greats from the past.



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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 10:44 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by The Wizard of Socialism:
The Honky Tonk Man was the Greatest Intercontinental Champion of all time! And he also has a tremendous singing voice.

And then we had Andy Kaufman (may he rest in peace) the "inter-gender" wrestling champ by his own admission

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Boom Boom
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posted 26 June 2007 10:47 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now that someone mentioned his name, Bret Hart was on that card in Toronto along with Hulk Hogan. Bret Hart was one tough guy. He must be retired by now.
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Michelle
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posted 26 June 2007 10:47 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I know it's politically incorrect - well, okay, let's just call it racist - but it was pretty funny the way the Iron Sheik could rile up the crowds. How do you piss off a crowd of 10,000 jingoistic morons? Get together with a Russian guy, cheer Russia and Iran, and then say, "USA?" and then spit on the ground.
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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 10:56 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
Urgent breaking news, press conference coming up on murder-suicide of benoit family at 3PM EST

edited to add: Terrible, turns out Benoit strangled his wife then asphyxiated his 7 year old son

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farnival
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posted 26 June 2007 11:27 AM      Profile for farnival     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Petsy:
We should be careful not to confuse decades.

Rowdy Robbie Piper, Dusty Rhodes and Brett Hart are from the 1980s. Those I mentioned date back to the 1960s...some like the Vachons endured to the 70s...


with all due respect Petsy, the Piper started wrestling in 1973 and this wiki lists his debut as 1969 and "endured" as you say, to nearly present day. i was born Jan. 9 1970 and can remember him from my earliest recollections, which were likely as soon as i got home from the hospital, knowing my dad! haha.

The Texas Outlaw, Dusty Rhodes started in the late 60's too, and i had a laugh in this bio with the mention of Terry Funk! Him and his brother were bruisers, and of the same biker/tough guy style when i was a kid, jeans and boots, occasionally busting out "foreign objects" like the taped nail hidden under the trunks, or the dreaded "texas rope match" where the two combatants would be roped together at the wrist with a big rough rope used for all manner of hurt on the other guy!

observation: it is always amusing how much normally pacifistic and kind folks can get lathered up and frothing with excitement at t.v. wrestling. haha. i remember when All-Star Wrestling used to tour B.C. and came to our small town. i was likely 12 and couldn't talk for a couple of days after from shouting!

for your amusement: Professional wrestling attacks

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Petsy
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posted 26 June 2007 11:39 AM      Profile for Petsy        Edit/Delete Post
Yup you are right
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farnival
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posted 26 June 2007 12:04 PM      Profile for farnival     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Petsy:
Yup you are right

oh yeah? ya care to back that up Petsy? You wanna dance?!?!?!?

oh, wait....you agreed with me...ah, fergitit then.


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posted 26 June 2007 12:20 PM      Profile for farnival     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
nostalgia and kidding aside, there seems to be quite a dark side to this story that isemerging. while the antics of the current crop of wrestlers are over the top in the media, whatever platform, is it all just acting? can men playing super aggressive and overtly homophobic and misogynistic characters just turn it off outside the venue?

quote:
...Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son.

Steroid abuse has been linked to depression, paranoia, and aggressive behaviour or angry outbursts known as “roid rage.”

“We don’t know yet. That’s one of the things we’ll be looking at,” said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard...

---snip---

Nancy Benoit filed for a divorce in May 2003, saying their three-year union was irrevocably broken and alleging “cruel treatment.”

But she later dropped the complaint, as well as a request for a restraining order in which she charged that Benoit had threatened her and had broken furniture in their home...


it doesnt' say why she dropped the suit but does say in the filing Benoit made $500k a year. was her silence purchased? It is interesting to note her manager name was simply "Woman". as in the context of the genre, would that have been "woman, get me a beer?"

The joke line i used with Petsy was actually used a couple of years ago buy a deluded lad at the local i was having a beer at where a friend having a bad day pissed off pretty much everyone and was tossed out. all the "boys" who hung out there because the owners, much to our dismay, played wrestling at their request on the big screen tv. one of them chased out my friend and squared off with him on the sidewalk shouting "do you wanna dance?" . I intervened and told the guy "nobody here is dancing with you" and my pal was thoroughly perplexed, asking "what on earth is he talking about?". both were quite drunk and harmless in thier own way, but this was a tad surreal. dude went back in all pumped up backslapping his buddies, but stayed away from our table quite obviously.

my point is, while we may have fond recollections of show wrestling from the past, if you watch it now, it is quite violent in imagery, and marketing. Perhaps this Benoit incident may provide the tipping point to have it slide to obsurity and young impressionable boys will grow up without greasy goofs who hate fags and women and like to fight strangers. ah, to dream.


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posted 26 June 2007 02:02 PM      Profile for John_D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm not sure how many people I know online know this, but I am (and have been for some time) a fan of professional wrestling. You're right to raise the content as a problem - although, if you really want to, you can find wrestling that is much more respectful of its viewers than the WWE is, although this generally means either picking one or two very small and not particularly easy to watch promotions in the States, or watching puroresu (from Japan) or lucha libre (from Mexico).

I think another aspect to this story, and one I hope gets equal coverage, is the horrible labour practices of this fucked up industry of pro wrestling, something that's only become apparent to me over the last few years of my fandom. The WWE (which was Benoit's employer and by far the largest promotion in the world) has fired on air talent while they recouperated from injuries, for being unwilling to work through serious injuries, for trying to form a union, for trying to collect pay promised to them but as yet withheld, for becoming pregnant, and on, and on, and on. Despite the fact that the average wrestler in the WWE would work easily 200 nights a week, arranging their own transportation between shows, only the top stars are guaranteed any time off. (Once, in the late 1980s, the supremely talented Ricky Steamboat was severely punished, in terms of being moved down the card and (later) being given an embarassing gimmick meant to reduce his fan response and thus his ability to make money, for having the temerity to ask for six weeks off when his wife gave birth.) Wrestlers are specifically set up as independent contractors, and not employees, so that the company can avoid covering health costs, providing pensions, and the like. On top of all this, the WWE likes to promote performers with bodybuilder style physiques (or, in the case of the women's division, with body types unattainable except through surgery), and they have a history of releasing or severely underusing and underpaying talented performers (particularly women) because someone else has a better "look". There is a commonly understood pressure for most guys to be on steroids, and a laughable drug testing policy that pretends to care about the health and welfare of the wrestlers while letting them know they can get away with being on the gas indefinitely if they want to.

A combination of working through injuries, excessively hard schedules, and drug abuse has ended the lives of dozens of great wrestlers from the 70s, 80s, and 90s prematurely. I can scarcely count the number of wrestlers I grew up adoring who have died in their 30s, 40s, and early 50s due to the obscene lifestyle success in this industry demands, and that the greedy promoters demand. In the week before this story broke, two performers (one a long time legend on the Calgary scene, the other one of the best managers I've ever seen) died in their 40s in separate incidents, and this was seen in the community of wrestling fans as just another two entries sad but routinely updated list of our childhood heroes who have been worked into an early grave.

I'm not sure if steroid use played a part in Benoit's murders or not, but it might well have. I'm not sure if depression, perhaps brought on by concussions (no wrestler whose worked as long as Benoit had would have gone without at least a couple of concussions, some likely untreated) played a part. And I don't want to mitigate the responsibility one iota of a man I have just found out was a misogynistic, controlling violent ass. But as long as the flashlight is on, we should shine it on all the dirty cockroaches of the wrestling industry. I've already made a choice not to support or watch the WWE anymore - I will get my wrestling fix elsewhere, and I will hold the company I get it from to standards if they want any of my time or money.


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posted 26 June 2007 02:30 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I just watched this story on CTV NewsNet, and Vince McMahon did some kind of a tribute to Benoit last night - CTV just showed about 30 seconds of it. I then did a google on McMahon - chairman/owner of the WWF - and his net worth is estimated between $700 million and $1.1 billion. It's apparently a very lucrative business.
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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I just watched this story...and Vince McMahon did some kind of a tribute to Benoit last night

Yes, wonderful, some kind of tribute eh? What a fucking hero!

He had bound her wrists and ankles before her strangled her, and smothered their son. There was a "Bible" found next to their bodies.

Excuse me, but excusing it as possible steriod use, frivoulously making fun of wrestlers and the WWE making a tribute for this man is beyond belief.

A woman and child were violently murdered in another senseless act of violence, by someone who had at one time professed to love them.

This thread obviously needs to be moved to the feminist forum.


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posted 26 June 2007 03:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, most of us did do the thread drift thing in this one and got talking about other wrestlers, etc.

Time to get back on topic. And yeah, I'll move this to the feminism forum.


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