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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 13 November 2004 02:22 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just finished watching the first part of Angel's in America. Great performances from Meryl Streep, Emma Thompson and Al " the rant" Pacino.
The movie got me to wondering what life was like for Gay men in the eighties. Was it really as bad as the miniseries shows it to be?

[ 14 November 2004: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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posted 13 November 2004 03:23 PM      Profile for speechpoet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damn, Dibbler, you're going to love the second half. :-) I was blown away -- wish I'd seen it on stage. Superb film, great cast, wonderfully directed... and, oh yeah, the script was okay, too.

One oddity: did you get the impression that, every once in a while, Pacino was channelling Big Boy Caprice from Dick Tracy?


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posted 13 November 2004 04:19 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never seen it, but part of it was read out for a sociology of gender class I took in undergrad. I took issue at the time with the idea of sexual self-identification having no relationship to sexual activity (the "I'm not gay - I'm a straight man who has sex with men" speech).

It ticked me off because it said to me that stereotypes meant more than the reality of a persons life in definition. So, if I'm a strong person, assertive, independant, intelligent, focussed on career rather than kids, I shouldn't define as a woman, but as a man with a vagina, rather than challenge the categories that aren't reflective of the complexity of our lives.

Of course, I was younger and it was a very small snippet of the play. I should watch, or read, see if I've totally misinterpreted it.


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posted 13 November 2004 10:21 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
One oddity: did you get the impression that, every once in a while, Pacino was channelling Big Boy Caprice from Dick Tracy?


He always channels big boy. He did it even before he played the guy.
I found the theology a bit confusing, but then I'm not a priest, paster or rabbi so I probably don't understand all the religious symbolism Cushman used in his play. I did like the scene where Lou and ethel Rosenberg performs the Kadesh over Roy Cohen However.
I love happy endings. I thought it would all end in tears. I'm glad it didn't.


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posted 14 November 2004 04:13 AM      Profile for speechpoet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by swirrlygrrl:
I took issue at the time with the idea of sexual self-identification having no relationship to sexual activity (the "I'm not gay - I'm a straight man who has sex with men" speech). It ticked me off because it said to me that stereotypes meant more than the reality of a persons life in definition.

Well-ll... the speech comes from Roy Cohn, one of the less appealing characters in the play (although the character comes off better than, say, Roy Cohn.) It's not out of place coming from a raging, testosterone-fueled bigot. I think Kushner probably intended it as a central part of the man's tragedy that he never came to terms with his identity.

CMOT, might want to add a little "Spoilers" warning in the thread title. :-)


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posted 14 November 2004 08:22 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Question: can one be a openly gay raging, testosterone-fueled bigot? Does the experience of being an uncloseted sexual minority guarantee that you will be more tolerant? How comfortable was Jay edgar Hoover with his sexuality?
Speaking of people who had difficulty coming terms with their sexual identity, why didn't Joe pitt get a happy ending? Despite his right-wing politics, he seemed like a nice man. He should been there at the end. It didn't seem fair.

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