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sidra
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posted 09 January 2007 03:46 PM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think it is worth checking out "Little Mosque on the Prairies." It is first episode is tonight Tuesday Jan. 9, 2006 at 20h30, CBC-TV (Ottawa). For those who cannot, it will be on tmorrow Wednesday at 20h00. (Like they say, check your local listing).

Any comments on the sitcom will be appreciated.

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Canadian Muslim leaders are urging their congregations to tune in to tonight's debut of CBC's internationally hyped sitcom "Little Mosque on the Prairie."

"There are a lot of imams going around (suggesting) people watch (it)," said Mohamed Elmasry, president of the Canadian Islamic Congress and an imam himself.

"I believe it's about time for Muslims to laugh at themselves – we are a latecomer into comedy."

"Little Mosque," set in the fictional town of Mercy, has received enormous media attention from news outlets including CNN, BBC Radio, The Associated Press and the New York Times. Much of the coverage has focused on the fact that the show is a comedy about Muslims set in a post 9/11 world.

Despite the buzz, however, reviews of the pilot episode, in which the community's Muslims take delight in getting their own mosque while the rednecks get nervous, have been decidedly mixed.

Vinay Menon, television critic for the Toronto Star, wrote that many of the show's jokes were lame, while the Toronto Sun's Bill Brioux called it "exceptionally unfunny."

Brad Oswald of the Winnipeg Free Press wrote that "what Little Mosque delivers with its pilot episode is an average, adequately likable situation comedy in which unconventional sitcom characters engage in completely conventional sitcom behaviour. Nothing less, but certainly nothing more."

And at least one prominent Muslim raised concerns about portraying Muslims as one-


http://tinyurl.com/y7c7af


Edited to add an "s" to prairie

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My initial reaction is that it just sounds corny and way too religiously obsessed. The commercials have stereotypical Muslim and non-Muslim Canadians, eh. Not to mention how lame some of the jokes are.

The Dad: "You look like a Protestant!"

The Daughter: "Don't you mean a Prostitute?"

The Dad: "No, I mean Protestant."

Hardy, har, har. Maybe they just did a bad job marketing, and yeah it's probably not being marketed to the 20 something set. But it doesn't sound particularly interesting to me, beyond the fact that there aren't a whole lot of Canadians who are Muslim on TV. At least not on fiction shows.


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posted 09 January 2007 05:03 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I just watched the first episode, and I think it can only get better. The humour was a little forced, about the trials and tribulations of a being a Muslim post 9/11. I'll watch the second episode and see how it goes from there. First episodes just set the scene and introduce the characters.
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I thought it was pretty entertaining and I thought the characters were well defined -- important for the first episode -- and I thought it was well written, always the most important thing.

Like Boom Boom, I'll watch the second episode and see how it goes from here.


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posted 09 January 2007 05:47 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think the joking about terrorists was designed to show us how silly it is to make the equation that Muslim = terrorist. I cringed at the airport interrogation scene because it rang so true to life - that line "you don't get to choose where we deport you" was so reminiscent of the Arar story. And that radio show bigot - reminds me of Fox TV hosts.
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posted 09 January 2007 05:59 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, they pushed all the obvious buttons.

Unfortunately, it wasn't very funny.


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posted 09 January 2007 06:02 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'll watch the next episode, at least, to see where it goes.
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posted 09 January 2007 06:54 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm so unhappy that I had to miss it - I had a meeting to attend tonight. I didn't know that it was on tomorrow night, though! I'll have to check that out.
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posted 09 January 2007 07:32 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I hope you do get a chance to see it - I'd like to see your comments on it. I thought there'd be more comments in this thread already.
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The show was interesting but some of the humour was predictable.

Most of the muslim women wore headscarves even though, through my observation, most muslim women do not wear them in Canada. Who says fiction has to portray reality?

Finally, I had a hard time believing the right-wing radio host at the fictional station because most small town stations seem to have automatic radio programming piped from Toronto with a two to five minute local or regional newsbreak at the top of the hour. Full hour talk-radio hosts are a very rare breed at small town stations today.


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I was disappointed in it .... now it seems to me to be like a good idea at a party - but it should have stayed at the party.

I was very put off by the whole tone of it ..I did not really like the expressions of POW and BAM that came up on Batman, and I expected them here.

I know it is "campy" - but campy is no excuse for just plain bad. I will give it another viewing - the idea is that good ... it may make it out of that party yet!


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posted 09 January 2007 08:07 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Skinny Dipper:
The show was interesting but some of the humour was predictable.

I'd agree - but I was happy to see Arlene Duncan's still making a living in showbiz. (I went to high school with her.)

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I agree that it is too early to tell but I also think it is funny and has much potential. The Kumars it isn't. Not yet anyway.

The show sticks to conventional American sitcom pap. It needs a cutting edge but perhaps the Mothercorp is too nervous to allow the creators free reign.


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Just finished watching it, I thought it was cute, and funny, and yes I expected some of the jokes too, but that does not detract from it.

It went over way better with role identification on the part of the actors than some series pilots I have seen.

The dialogue and writing does not discriminate in its jabs at all, it covers all Canadians pretty much equally.

Many small communities in BC have their own weekly, and some daily, live TV or radio shows, they get funding under community access. So I did not fin that far fetched at all.


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It was pretty good compared to most of the other recent fictional shows that CBC has put out

I liked the second act, where the priest finds out about the mosque, and accepts them, better in the the first act. The interrogation in the airport was a little too predictable for my liking.

By far the best aspect of it was the acting.

It will be interesting to see where the show goes from here.


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With all of the hype it was getting, I feared 'Little Mosque' was going to be a big letdown.

Yes, there was some predictable jokes but I did catch myself laughing at times. The scene with the local journalist grilling the new imam was hilarious.

I was never a fan of sitcoms but at least Little Mosque was not dumbed-down like the American shows. Plus, there was no cheese factor like what you will find on "Corner Gas".

If L.M. had more edge like Ken Finkleman's 'Newsroom', then this show would be a cult classic. At times it did have that feel to it, but it did not spill over.

At the very least I did care about the characters by the end of the pilot so I will continue to watch it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Left Turn:
I liked the second act, where the priest finds out about the mosque, and accepts them.

So did I. But that's the problem. That part was serious.

This is supposed to be a comedy. But it was mostly so unfunny that the best part was the serious bit.

The ex-Toronto-lawyer imam did get off a few good lawyer jokes, though. In short, it was funny when it used Toronto humor.

But when it tried to make fun of the little prairie townies and the little prairie Muslims -- what little prairie town would have as many Muslims as Anglicans?? -- it was neither believable nor funny.


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posted 10 January 2007 12:06 AM      Profile for inkameep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
what little prairie town would have as many Muslims as Anglicans??
Yes, and where are the Lutherans, the Roman Catholics, the Ukrainian Catholics, the Ukrainian Orthodox, the Pentecostals, the Mennonites, the Hutterites, the non-believers, the aboriginals and the sundry other folks whose diverse origins have made the prairies what they are?

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Well on tv every second woman has big tits and has blonde hair, of the rest 2/3rds are brunette heads, and then there are some red heads. This exludes the few black themed show of course. Thing is 99.9% of them have big tits. Are they cute? That too.

Where are all the ugly chicks?

Question: Does your ability to suspend dibeliief only extend as far as it sits within the hegemonic norm of acceptablity?

This show is about Muslim people. Do you get that? Of course there are more Muslim people in it. If they wanted to make a show about the Christians on prairies, they would call it "Little House on the Prairie."

Frankly, I know I would hate this show, i'd rather watch Firefly, which is about Cowboys in space. Guess what there are no Ukranians in that either... what gives? Oh yeah its a show about "space people," not Ukranians.

Thing about insular communities is that there always seems to be more of your type of people, than other types of people. That is because you spend most of your time with your kind of people. If you grow up Mormon, you spend most of your youth with a lot of Mormons, and think that most of the world is filled with Mormons. Then when you get older you find out otherwise, but then you either leave the Mormon community, or you stay, and if you stay, you still spend most of your time with Mormons, going to churuch, or whatever.

I really can't imagine someone complaining about a movie about Scotish people featuring mostly Scotish people. Doh! Who'da'thunk it!

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I enjoyed the episode. I feel I have to be committed to liking it since Margaret Wente panned it.
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posted 10 January 2007 04:56 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ha! That's pretty funny.

So, I wonder if it'll be on again tonight. I have no idea how to check my local listings. I think maybe one of the free daily rags has evening tv listings.


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posted 10 January 2007 05:59 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Michelle,
It will be on tonight (Wednesday) at 20h00. Then beginning January 15, it will be on on Mondays at 21h00 and Wednesdays at 20h00. On CBC-TV.

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Yes, on my TV satellite I can scroll ahead 24 hours - I saw listings for the show on CBC Atlantic, Montreal, and Ottawa and that's as far as I went. I presume Toronto as well.
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Tarek Fatah, founder of the Toronto-based Muslim Canadian Congress, said he had "reservations about the depiction of Muslims as essentially a people whose lives revolve around a mosque."

"This is patently untrue," he said, adding that he fears the show will only serve to "pigeonhole Muslims as not more than a group that prays and preaches."


http://tinyurl.com/yzxjdy

Mr. Fatah may have a point. But isn't it too early to talk about "pigeonholing" ? I think some "ice=breaking" time should be allowed first.

It is a societal reality that Muslimness is generally associated with religion, mosque, Allah, etc.. and that has to be introduced first. "Secular} Muslimness" is a bit early now in the show's life to be featured.

Patience, Mr. Fatah !


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It was predictable humour it was like listening to your favorite uncle telling the same funny stories that you've heard a hundred times.

I liked the show and I'll make an effort to watch it.

I love the idea that this show will change peoples perceptions of the word "Muslim". Instead of thinking terrorist maybe people will start thinking about this humourous show.


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I was totally psyched about the show & reworked my entire schedule so I could watch it. I enjoyed it despite some of the jokes seeming to be “forced.” The comedy wasn’t really “natural” but that’s typical of new shows. I found that it takes all the stereotypes you hear about the groups in the show (Muslims, hicks/small town folk) & bundles them up into half an hour. It got a little old by the time the first 15 minutes passed, but overall I was quite pleased with it. It’s not gut-wrenching funny, but I think it has a lot of potential.

As far as knit-picking about the reality of the show, I think that’s kind of lame folks. This show isn’t meant to be reality; I think it’s pretty clear that it’s taking stereotypes & showing how absurd they are for purposes of humour while adding a little bit of the CBC’s “cultural mosaic” agenda to show a side of Canada that hasn’t been seen in prime time. I’m Aboriginal & I don’t take offence to the fact that they didn’t show any Aboriginal people; PLENTY of prairie towns have no Aboriginal people living in them; First Nations, Métis or Inuit. If it wasn’t a waste of space I could list off about 15 to 25 good sized towns in Saskatchewan that would have less than 1% of the population as Aboriginal. As far as showing other diversity in “Mercy’s” population: there are plenty of prairie towns that have no diversity at all. There are towns that are close to 90% Hungarian, or 90% Ukrainian, or German, or Mennonite, there are many that are a combination of all three. Small-town Saskatchewan IS NOT southern Ontario, or Quebec, lower mainland & BC or even Alberta for that matter; this province lacks diversity in an enormous way. In my town of 2000 people (about 4000 in the larger “region”) there are White Canadians & Aboriginal Canadians; the other “brown” people are mostly wealthy visitors who come in for the summer months to hang out at the lakes & there aren’t too many of them; I’ve seen about 15 “brown” people in my town since 2004 – literally & half of them live here (the family that owns & runs the Chinese restaurant) 5 were refugees sponsored by the local Churches to come here from Africa; they ended up relocating to Regina where there are actually organizations that provide services to immigrants. 90% of the people in my census area mark Christian as religious affiliation & of those over 50% alone are protestant. Anyone who thinks there’s diversity in Prairie towns hasn’t spent any time in Prairie towns & bothered to “review” the demographics & “culture” of the town.

It’s easy for me to imagine a significant Muslim community in a prairie town; plenty of the fair-sized towns in Saskatchewan are “bedroom” communities that are within an hour of a “major” centre like Regina, Saskatoon, Prince Albert, etc. People live in these smaller centres because the cost of living is ridiculously cheap & there are good services available. It’s not a far stretch to imagine that 1 Muslim family could settle in a town like Humboldt, Melville, or even Fort Qu’Appelle & spread the word that housing is cheap & that there are plenty of services & decent schools. The Greek community in Regina all started from 1 or 2 immigrant families who sent word back to Greece that life was good in Regina; most of Regina’s Greeks are from within a 200km radius of one small village where 1 of Regina’s first Greek immigrants came from. The Italian community there is very similar, as are several smaller towns in rural Saskatchewan. Sintaluta Saskatchewan is experiencing a population and economic “boom” because over 20 people have relocated to that town, all from Ontario and they’re either related or good friends; it all started from 1 woman who stopped there for supper on a trip to BC and decided to sell her expensive home in Ontario to retire in Sintaluta; where she could buy the same house for a fraction (probably less than 1/5)of the price of her Ontario home. Like I said, it’s not a far stretch that 20 to 30 Muslims could all end up in one otherwise White Canadian, Hick, wheat-fed Saskatchewan town.

I think it’s a decent show & has a lot of potential. I’ll watch it religiously (pun intended).


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I watched the show and liked it enough to watch it a second time. It was predictable as far as the stereotyping jokes went, but that's the funny part of stereotyping...it is predictable. As for the absence of all those other groups, who says they are absent? The show is not about Catholics or Hutterites or Protestants, it is about the Muslim community in this one town. If the producer wanted to give equal time to those other groups, it would not be a show about the Muslim community now would it. McGee does comment at one point that only the first two rows of his church fill up on Sunday - so there must be at least 20 Catholics around. They just aren't terribly necessary to the plot here.
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You know, it takes time to develop characters on a sit com. Big American hits like Cheers, or Sienfeld or All in the Family took time to find their audience and thier feet. And everyone could see the jokes coming down Broadway on all those shows-- as you could with even "The Newsroom". Of all the comedy on T.V. it's really rare for me to laugh because I didn't see something coming. More often than not, it's the set up, and not the punch line that is essential to humour.

I missed the debut, but I did see some of the jokes quoted here previewed on "The Hour". Part of the criticisms here may be due to the fact that previews took the edge off the best punch lines.

Publicists often ruin comedy this way, whether they are for sit coms or movies.


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Re: the question about the number of Muslims and Anglicans being equal...I'm not quite sure how big Mercy is supposed to be*, but certainly in many places the number of regular church-goers in any Christian congregation is a tiny percentage; you only get full pews on Christmas or Easter, if that. So I didn't find the priest's comments totally far-fetched.

* Big enough, apparently, to have a full-time mayor who's got a full-time assistant; some fairly sizable buildings (hey, the Novia cafe! Good place to get a burger in the Queen's City!); a radio station...Eh, like many small towns on TV, it's as big as the script requires, I guess.

As for the episode itself, I thought it was very uneven and the writing certainly isn't firing on all cylinders, but I think it's got potential. Like many others on this thread, I'll watch the next episode or two, at least.

Thankfully - no laugh track. That's something, anyway.


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Oh, and if the show is looking for some dry sardonic humour to punch it up a bit, you can feel free to contact my agent, Tommy_Paine, right here at Babble.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Ha! That's pretty funny.

So, I wonder if it'll be on again tonight. I have no idea how to check my local listings. I think maybe one of the free daily rags has evening tv listings.


CBC has TV listings here:
http://www.cbc.ca/television/
It's based on EST, but it tends to be the same across the country except when there is a live show like hockey on.

Other TV stations also have websites with their TV schedules.

Can you tell I'm too cheap to buy the local paper with a printed schedule anymore?


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quote:
Originally posted by Polly Brandybuck:
...McGee does comment at one point that only the first two rows of his church fill up on Sunday - so there must be at least 20 Catholics around.


The mosque is set in an Anglican church parish hall. No doubt there are Roman Catholics around, but the minister that runs the church is portarayed as an Anglican.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that CBC did very well in its pilot episode of 'Little mosque...'. I may even watch it (first episode) again tonight!

PS: I wonder what the neocons think of the show? Are they upset because it portrays Muslims as human, after all?


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Some darksiders think it's terrible to portray them turrible Muslims and Islam as funny; some of them hate CBC so much and are so ashamed of being Canadian anyway that they would not watch it; some liked it (even some of the vicious bigotted assholes) some didn't.
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I really appreciated the show, although it is corny and very newish. I am grateful that the show is written my a Muslim woman and that the CBC was willing to make it and air it. One of the things I appreciate about the show is its lack of hard edges that exist in some of the finely polished television shows - their portrayal of people as sophisticated self interested professionals really tires me out and leaves me feeling that people are becoming highly intelligent robots. Little Mosque on the Prairie is a breath of fresh air for me.
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posted 10 January 2007 01:44 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
Some darksiders think it's terrible to portray them turrible Muslims and Islam as funny; some of them hate CBC so much and are so ashamed of being Canadian anyway that they would not watch it; some liked it (even some of the vicious bigotted assholes) some didn't.

Man, if any of THEM liked it then the show is off to a really good start!


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posted 10 January 2007 01:48 PM      Profile for Drinkmore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I liked the bit about the spotting of the new moon.
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We've commented on so many things in the show that it's hard to believe it was only thirty minutes long - less not counting commercials!
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For those who missed it, there's already a torrent up of the show.

Its on demonoid, a private torrent-tracker, so I don't know if non-members can access it, but here is the link to its page.

If you can't access the page, this direct link to the torrent file might work.

(I hope the moderators don't delete this post, as its offered as a public service).

ADDED: Also, I think I can send "invitations" to join demonoid to people. PM if you need one.

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Dude. It's downloading so slow. Thanks for trying though.

Can you put it on youtube?


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We've commented on so many things in the show that it's hard to believe it was only thirty minutes long - less not counting commercials! Boom Boom

You have all been very generous. Thank you everybody and thanks in adavance for all authors of upcoming comments (?)

I do feel, like many, that it is a "first" in Canada that Canadian Muslims have been included as part of the Canadian mosaic. Some Muslims I know called it a happy historic event.

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Well, if you're around right now, then why not just watch it on CBC tv? (Unless you don't get cable, that is.) It's on right now, just starting.
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First commercial.

I think it's funny. I like it. I like the characters. I got a kick out of the old Imam and his sermon (or whatever you call them in Islam) with the young woman's muttered interjections. Reminds me of the last time I was in church.

This is going to be a fun show, I think. I am pleasantly surprised after reading some of the lukewarm reviews here.


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posted 10 January 2007 05:16 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And if you have satellite, you can watch it later in a different time zone tonight.
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I liked the opening bit - the sermon - "American Idol - Canadian Idol - we must smash all idols!" And, in the small town of Mercy, they have a Terrorist Attack Hotline.
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posted 10 January 2007 05:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's pretty obvious what the romantic love interest is going to be, huh?
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posted 10 January 2007 05:25 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I know who you mean, but I never caught her name. I'm eagerly waiting for the next episode.
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posted 10 January 2007 05:33 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
2 million saw 'Little Mosque'

Harrumph. What were the other 31 million doing????


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posted 10 January 2007 05:37 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Paying for it.
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posted 10 January 2007 05:39 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm sure the two million of us who watched it probably covered it, Heywood.
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posted 10 January 2007 05:40 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Psh. WHAT-ever.
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posted 10 January 2007 08:22 PM      Profile for -=+=-   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Judging by the chatter on demonoid.com, the latest episode of Little Mosque should be uploaded there each week. So, the episodes should soon be freely available on p2p.
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posted 10 January 2007 08:52 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Heywood! You've returned to us! *hugs*
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I never really left. I'm like a dearly departed companion. I just check in once in a while to make sure that everything is ok.

I'm no longer the TRWM. I'm Farley.


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I think Little Mosque on the Prarie a bit formulaic, they used the same sort of shtick in "Doc Hollywood"

However, I will give it a second chance.

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Originally posted by Polly Brandybuck:
As for the absence of all those other groups, who says they are absent? The show is not about Catholics or Hutterites or Protestants, it is about the Muslim community in this one town. If the producer wanted to give equal time to those other groups, it would not be a show about the Muslim community now would it.
You're right, it wouldn't. And yes, I understand that shows about Muslims generally include a disproprotionate number of Muslims. That's not what I'm questioning. What I'm questioning is why the other side of the equation, the town that is supposed to represent the broader society that the Muslims are trying to fit into, this rich "multicultural mosaic" called Canada, seems to be made up largely of WASPs.

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Perhaps the town was located around Moose Jaw?

Are you crying discrimination?


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Originally posted by remind:
Perhaps the town was located around Moose Jaw?
Actually, the town was located closer to the CN Tower. That’s where this series is being shot. Another reason why this fictional prairie town, with its brick buildings and leafy courtyards, didn’t seem quite authentic to me.

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Are you crying discrimination?
I’m not crying anything. I’m simply pointing out that some distinctive features of the Canadian prairies seem to have been left out of the first episode. Perhaps the objective is to present the Canadian identity in a simplified form so that the series can be more readily marketed to US and international audiences. Time will tell.

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Originally posted by inkameep:
What I'm questioning is why the other side of the equation, the town that is supposed to represent the broader society that the Muslims are trying to fit into, this rich "multicultural mosaic" called Canada, seems to be made up largely of WASPs.

It's a comedy show.

They are having fun with WASP fears of Muslims in particular, and attitudes to minorities in general.

People with Italian accents making anti-immigrant comments would also be funny. Maybe in a future episode?


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Actually, the town was located closer to the CN Tower. That’s where this series is being shot. Another reason why this fictional prairie town, with its brick buildings and leafy courtyards, didn’t seem quite authentic to me.

Actually, the pilot was shot in Regina, Sk, and surrounding area. The further episodes, once the pilot was picked up, were shot in Toronto.

I'd read this before, but as a life-long resident of the Queen City, I can assure you that I recognize most of the locations used. Particularly the Novia Cafe. I've been eating lunch there periodically since I was old enough to bus downtown by myself. I realize the leaf thing is very confusing, but we DO know how to plant trees. Turns out not to be all that complicated. We have a lot of trees around buildings, even out of town. They help break the wind. And they look nice. So yes, we prairie dwellers even have trees.

Oh, yes, and the brickworks that ran for nearly a century just outside Moose Jaw. We gave up on sod relatively early, you know.

Honestly!

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You're right, it wouldn't. And yes, I understand that shows about Muslims generally include a disproprotionate number of Muslims. That's not what I'm questioning. What I'm questioning is why the other side of the equation, the town that is supposed to represent the broader society that the Muslims are trying to fit into, this rich "multicultural mosaic" called Canada, seems to be made up largely of WASPs.

It's set in small-town Saskatchewan. Ever been? I ask, because your comment indicates not. There is not nearly as much ethnic diversity in rural Saskatchewan as there is in urban Saskatchewan, and less in urban Saskatchewan than in larger urban centres (as in bigger than about 200,000 people). I'm not convinced that the setting is meant to represent "broader society" (whatever that means), so much as "rural Saskatchewan society".

I should also point out that Zarqa Nawaz (show's creator) probably has a pretty clear idea how much diversity there is or isn't in these parts, having lived here for over a decade.

I found the show a little stiffer and not quite as funny as some of Nawaz's earlier short projects, but that may be because she is working with CBC, rather than independently. It will be interesting to see how it develops.

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Originally posted by Timebandit:

Actually, the pilot was shot in Regina, Sk, and surrounding area. The further episodes, once the pilot was picked up, were shot in Toronto.

I'd read this before, but as a life-long resident of the Queen City, I can assure you that I recognize most of the locations used. Particularly the Novia Cafe. I've been eating lunch there periodically since I was old enough to bus downtown by myself.


I was about to say. As an additional point of authenticity - the Novia Cafe does not, in fact, serve cappuccinos - low-fat or otherwise.


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posted 11 January 2007 09:39 AM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's on youtube now
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Originally posted by Wilf Day:

what little prairie town would have as many Muslims as Anglicans?? -- it was neither believable nor funny.

How about Lac La Biche, Alberta.
Population 2,600
Those of Lebanese (and Muslim) desent: 500

Source: "Mideast crisis hits home in Alberta's Little Lebanon: Lac La Biche is home to North America's highest concentration of Lebanese expats" Edmonton Journal, A1 July 24th, 2006

There are Arabs and non-Arab muslims all over Northern Alberta. According to the 2001 census, the Anglican population of Edmonton was 5.3% of the population (down 6.2% from 1991). The Muslim population of Edmonton was lower (2.1%) but it was up 32% over 1991, and the average age for Muslims was 27, compared to 43 for the average Anglican.

Finally, I know this has been pointed out, but the prairies have lots of brick buildings in small towns, particularly older towns. Medicine Hat has a lot of brick homes.

This thread makes me think the show might do more to debunk myths about the prairies than myths about muslim Canadians.


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Originally posted by Erstwhile:
I was about to say. As an additional point of authenticity - the Novia Cafe does not, in fact, serve cappuccinos - low-fat or otherwise.

I thought that was a funny bit in the show - when he (the new Imam) kept asking for a lowfat cappuccino and got instead a scoop of whipped cream in his coffee.


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According to this site Muslims settled in Saskatchewan and Alberta at the turn of the century.

The prairie settlement boom included many ethnic groups and religious groups; they would come out together and thus would get land in the same area. So you could have communities that had mostly Icelanders, or mostly black people from the US, or mostly French people from France, or mostly Mormons, or Mennonites, etc.

I don't know if there were any Muslim settlement communities, but it is possible; and also possible that they could be in an area otherwise settled by Ontario Canadians, British and American.

If there were such a community, then chain migration could take effect; younger generations would come to where their relatives or family friend were. Immigrating is a big deal; and most people would do some homework before coming.


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Originally posted by Timebandit:
It's set in small-town Saskatchewan. Ever been?
Yes, I have. I was born and raised in Winnipeg. I lived on the prairies for 35 years. The set didn’t look like small-town Saskatchewan to me. It looked more like Regina and/or Toronto.

Anyhow, I hope that future episodes will feature occasional interactions between Muslims and some of the other “minority” groups that live on the prairies. Muslims visiting the Dead Dog Café could be interesting.


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Paying for it.
Hardy har har heywood.

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Originally posted by inkameep:
Yes, I have. I was born and raised in Winnipeg. I lived on the prairies for 35 years. The set didn’t look like small-town Saskatchewan to me. It looked more like Regina and/or Toronto.

Anyhow, I hope that future episodes will feature occasional interactions between Muslims and some of the other “minority” groups that live on the prairies. Muslims visiting the Dead Dog Café could be interesting.


Well, it will hearten our film commission's locations people to hear we can pass for Toronto.

I didn't think the locations looked like they couldn't be a town the size of Moose Jaw, PA or Swift Current, for example. And if you've lived out here, then you shouldn't be making silly-assed assumptions that it's all barren prairie and no brick out here. Most small towns have brick structures -- brick was locally available, wood was not, in the early days of prairie settlement.

Of course, we could just assume you didn't get outside of Winnipeg, much.

Anyway, if you're keen to see them do things differently regarding other minorities, perhaps you should send them a spec script. Show 'em how it should be done.


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Local CBC radio has a Muslim man from Lac La Biche talking about the show, likes the idea, thought the terrorism business was exaggerated. I think he said the show had Pakistani Muslims; (the community at La La Biche are Lebanese) The show, of course is set after 9/11, so some people may be less tolerant. He didn't think there was opposition to mosques in the past; the Muslims who built the mosque in Edmonton had help from other people.

The first mosque in North America was built in Edmonton in 1938, I think; the third in NA was in Lac La Biche.

Lac La Biche historic sites:

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Lac La Biche Muslim Mosque
The original Mosque was constructed in 1958, the second to be built in Canada and the third in North America. This historic site was built by a group of about 12 families with donated materials. Take a tour of the newer Mosque...

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And if you've lived out here, then you shouldn't be making silly-assed assumptions that it's all barren prairie and no brick out here. Most small towns have brick structures -- brick was locally available, wood was not, in the early days of prairie settlement.
Silly-assed or not, the archetypal prairie town has wide streets, endless space and a huge, overpowering sky. I realize that brick structures do exist on the prairies, but brick is not iconic of small towns in Western Canada. I think that if you want to successfully convey a sense of place in a work of fiction, you have to supply the archetypal features.

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As opposed to those mosques that aren't Muslim.
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Lac La Biche Muslim Mosque

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As opposed to those mosques that aren't Muslim -CMOT Dibbler

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That's fur the turrists. ETA: the ones with cameras and loud shirts, that buy souvenirs, I mean.

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Originally posted by inkameep:
Silly-assed or not, the archetypal prairie town has wide streets, endless space and a huge, overpowering sky. I realize that brick structures do exist on the prairies, but brick is not iconic of small towns in Western Canada. I think that if you want to successfully convey a sense of place in a work of fiction, you have to supply the archetypal features.

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Brick is actually very common in small towns in Western Canada. You're assuming an archetype that does not, in fact, exist in a pure form anywhere but in your imagination.

"Little Mosque" doesn't have an absence of space or a major abundance of trees (or brick structures) evident in its setting. It's actually relatively neutral, unlike Corner Gas. You're basing this on a very few shots, and I think your objection is overblown.

(and I really just wanted to say "Nyah nyah! You thought Regina was Toronto!!! but that would be rude...)

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I just saw the show tonight. I taped it on Tuesday and have had a busy week so far, if anyone was wondering.

I enjoyed the show. It was sweet, not hugely funny but I appreciate the attempts.

And I really enjoy t.v. shows (there are so very few of them) in which the majority of the cast are POC and the issues are mostly not about white people. I'm going to keep watching and I hope this show stays and lasts.


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Originally posted by bigcitygal:
And I really enjoy t.v. shows (there are so very few of them) in which the majority of the cast are POC and the issues are mostly not about white people.

True enough. I prefer a good COP show once in a while though.


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Still haven't seen the show (don't have a TV) but I'd like to.

I googled the show's title along with "forum" to see what other folks are saying. I'd have to say that the comments at SportingNews.com aren't going to do much to dispel the image of jocks as rednecks...


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Good lord. Why did I click on that? Why?
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Good lord. Why did I click on that? Why?

Um, because you needed your morning cup of stupid with some dumbass on the side?

I'm not clicking. I have to go to work and be in a good mood.


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By the way, the show is now available on bittorrent -- if you're not too squeamish about violating the CBC's copyright.
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinny Dipper:
Finally, I had a hard time believing the right-wing radio host at the fictional station because most small town stations seem to have automatic radio programming piped from Toronto with a two to five minute local or regional newsbreak at the top of the hour. Full hour talk-radio hosts are a very rare breed at small town stations today.

You clearly are not from the prairies. Just try to pipe in content from Toronto into an Alberta radio station. Just try.

FWIW, the few Islamic women in my social circles all tend to wear headscarves, or at least a kerchief thingy.


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Great discussion. I hope this carries through all eight episodes.
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Originally posted by Timebandit:
Brick is actually very common in small towns in Western Canada. You're assuming an archetype that does not, in fact, exist in a pure form anywhere but in your imagination.
OK, OK already. To hell with the unique majesty of the prairie setting. Let’s just show the world that small-town Saskatchewan has brick buildings with indoor plumbing, indistinguishable from those in small-town Ontario.

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Because gawd knows, there is no indoor plumbing west of Winnipeg or east of Kelowna...
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Don't need it.... another namby pamby weakness. I lay it at the feet of the Trudopean victim culture. Although I will conceed a styrofoam seat for oldsters,pregnant women and Liberals.

With the advent of satellite tv and plasma screens, a bracing trot to the outhouse is most rewarding.


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[thread drift]Hey, remember when George Strombolopolis blew up an outhouse during "the Greatest Canadian" That was probably the moment CBC decided to hire him.
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Outhouse tipping was great sport when kids still went outdoors in the past. I like George Strombolopolis,. Of course I liked Ralph Benmurgue too

All the quirky Canadian shows that make Canada well, Canada. I read today that LMOTP had 2.1 million viewers compared to Corner Gas which usually draws a mil or so.

I hope LMOTP gets edgier and gores a few sacred cows like the Britcoms do. This show is becoming very interesting, not the least because the morons on the Sportnews loath it.

I tried to register on Sportnews but they wouldn't take Osama. I even used my legitimate postal code M5W 1E6


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LMOTP got 2 million for the premiere, with CBC promoting the heck out of it -- Corner Gas has maintained over a million viewers for 3 and a half seasons. I wouldn't take the difference in numbers as a sign of hands-down superiority until you have time to see what kind of consistency you get, even though 2 million is a pretty phenomenal number for a Canadian show.
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I'm not suggesting a comparision, rather I'm pointing out that 2 million is a huge number for a CBC show considering that any CBC promotion onlyreaches the malcontents and eccentrics who actually watch it.

If LHOTP gets edgier,it may be sustainable but most likely it will stay in format and wither. The pilot is not sustainable over 8 episodes without the nerve to poke sensitivities. I hope for an edge that will provoke...especially the (cue Deliverance sound track) morons on Sportsnet.


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I need some help from all the sit com experts here.

I'm going to pitch a sit com. It's edgy and current, as it centers on a group of Arab inmates at an American detention facility. They are innocent, of course.

I've developed this incompetent American Colonel running the camp, and his bungling sergeant as a side kick.

Meanwhile, the inmates really run the place, with tunnels all over the place, and frequent forays into town.

Hillarity ensues. Kinda writes itself. The working title is "Hussiens Heroes."

What I need to know is, do I actually have to travel to Iran to pitch it to Iranian T.V.?


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Little Mosque on the Prairie is an inane and terribly written show. Hopefully either the writing (and "acting") gets better or the show gets cut.If it didn't have the "Muslim twist" it would have stayed in the waste paper basket.
Painfully boring to watch.

As for the "new sit-com" idea sounds like a total rip of Hogan's Heroes. But it's Iraqi TV you'd want to pitch to because (since the occupation and curfew) that industry is booming! It might be a natural.

[ 13 January 2007: Message edited by: Peech ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Peech:
Little Mosque on the Prairie is an inane and terribly written show.

Au contraire, mon frere. I (and others here) find it a delightful and well written little sitcom. The first episode was a little wobbly, but it can only get better.


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Thanks, Peech, but I already considered that, and I think it might be over the heads of Iraqi's right now.

You'd be surprised, but some people might not get it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Peech:
As for the "new sit-com" idea sounds like a total rip of Hogan's Heroes.

You don't say! I'm sure that was utterly unintended on Tommy's part.


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Thanks Michelle. Doh!
(Too early in the morning for me , maybe?)
Any way I believe it would be perfect for the Iraqis.
I saw a great Doc on Iraqi TV indicated their tastes are pretty modern.
From reality TV to sit-coms.
Have a look:
Doc on Iraqi TV

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quote:
Originally posted by Peech:
Little Mosque on the Prairie is an inane and terribly written show.
Why? Could you be more specific?

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As in corny, obvious (groaner), simplistic (even stupid) humour. Also the characters are cartoon cardboard cutouts. Not to mention the only "real" lead actors appear to be Sheila McCarthy and the gentleman who plays her husband. For example one actor had a distinctively Jamaican dialect. Unless I am not aware of a Muslim population there, I would hope that they could find an actor of colour from a Muslim country.

This could change over time as the writing (hopefully) gets better and the actors get used to the so-called script.
Right now it's a novelty. Mostly a curiosity.


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I enjoyed it more than I thought I would, and I am normally quite hard on what CBC-TV considers "comedy". I'll write a lengthy blog posting about that one some day, so that my parents know what I mean (so far as I can tell, they're pretty much my entire readership).
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quote:
Originally posted by Peech:
Also the characters are cartoon cardboard cutouts.
Perhaps not the new imam, though.
quote:
...one actor had a distinctively Jamaican dialect. Unless I am not aware of a Muslim population there
Yes, to me this is part of the authenticity issue, like the absence of prairie on "The Prairie."

[ 13 January 2007: Message edited by: inkameep ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:

what little prairie town would have as many Muslims as Anglicans?? -- it was neither believable nor funny..


quote:
Originally posted by Lou Arab:

How about Lac La Biche, Alberta.
Population 2,600
Those of Lebanese (and Muslim) desent: 500

Source: "Mideast crisis hits home in Alberta's Little Lebanon: Lac La Biche is home to North America's highest concentration of Lebanese expats" Edmonton Journal, A1 July 24th, 2006

There are Arabs and non-Arab muslims all over Northern Alberta. According to the 2001 census, the Anglican population of Edmonton was 5.3% of the population (down 6.2% from 1991). The Muslim population of Edmonton was lower (2.1%) but it was up 32% over 1991, and the average age for Muslims was 27, compared to 43 for the average Anglican.

Finally, I know this has been pointed out, but the prairies have lots of brick buildings in small towns, particularly older towns. Medicine Hat has a lot of brick homes.

This thread makes me think the show might do more to debunk myths about the prairies than myths about muslim Canadians.



According to the 2001 Census, there are 93 municipalities in Canada where Muslims outnumber Anglicans. They are:

Newfoundland - 1 (Lourdes)
New Brunswick - 2 (incl. Edmundston)
Quebec - 78 (incl. Montreal and Hull)
Ontario - 4 (Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Toronto, Mississauga)
Saskatchewan - 2 (RMs of Lac Pelletier No. 107 and Swift Current No. 137)
Alberta - 3 (incl. Lac la Biche)
British Columbia - 3 (incl. Burnaby)


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quote:
Originally posted by Krago:


According to the 2001 Census, there are 93 municipalities in Canada where Muslims outnumber Anglicans. They are:

Newfoundland - 1 (Lourdes)
New Brunswick - 2 (incl. Edmundston)
Quebec - 78 (incl. Montreal and Hull)
Ontario - 4 (Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Toronto, Mississauga)
Saskatchewan - 2 (RMs of Lac Pelletier No. 107 and Swift Current No. 137)
Alberta - 3 (incl. Lac la Biche)
British Columbia - 3 (incl. Burnaby)



Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa krago! Who knew?!


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It is a typical CBC production, earnest pablum. I expect mosque will experience a fairly quick demise as the novelty simply isn't.

[ 13 January 2007: Message edited by: Khimia ]


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That said it is signifcant step forward for Muslim people to be treated in the same insipid manner in CBC productions as the rest of Canadians. Welcome to Canada!
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quote:
Originally posted by Khimia:
It is a typical CBC production, earnest pablum.
They do seem prepared to break new ground, though. I notice that a future episode will feature a gay male teaching hijab-wearing females to swim at a municipal pool.

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I notice that a future episode will feature a gay male teaching hijab-wearing females to swim at a municipal pool.
Wow that oughta go over well.

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Not to mention that Anglican churches have this habit of opening a church in every little burg and town, so it's quite possible for an Anglican church, one of many in the area, to have less actual every-Sunday-churchgoers than the one mosque that all observant Muslims might attend in an area.

Also, there are a lot of nominal Anglicans who only darken the doorstep of the church when they're hatched, matched and dispatched, like lots of other ecumenical sects. The main religions that are growing at all these days when it comes to converts and attendance are the Christian fundies and Islam, I think.


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Originally posted by Cueball:
This show is about Muslim people. Do you get that?
What is the matter with you?

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I hate bigotry. I see it every day.

Last night some white goth chick was telling me how she would like to pull out this black guys dreads, and then she went on to talk about hanging him from a tree.

What's your problem?


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I notice that a future episode will feature a gay male teaching hijab-wearing females to swim at a municipal pool. -Inkameep

Are you predicting or bashing, Inkameep ?


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For now, I'm predicting. Maybe I'll bash it after I see it...
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The other thing I like about the show is this character. They don't try to pretend that sexist, conservative jerks don't exist in the Muslim community, just as they exist in every community. They show that, hey, just like your obnoxious uncle Fred at the holiday dinner table, knee-jerk reactionary, sexist people exist in the Muslim community as well - and they're about as likely to be wearing a shoe bomb as your idiot uncle Fred is. They make even the most conservative elements in the community human and, if not likeable, at least people you can look at and say, "Oh yeah, he's like (Joe Dorkywhiteguy), what a knob," instead of saying, "Wow, a conservative Muslim! I'm scared! Run!"
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quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
I hate bigotry. I see it every day.

Last night some white goth chick was telling me how she would like to pull out this black guys dreads, and then she went on to talk about hanging him from a tree.

What's your problem?


Saskatoon has Goth chicks?


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Cueball's not from Saskatoon. Coyote is. And yes there are goths here. It takes all kinds.
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
The other thing I like about the show is this character.

I agree. Actually the one line (of very few) that I found funny in the show comes from him in a trailer where the lead female is wearing a short top (showing her belly button) and he accuses her of looking like a Protestant. She corrects him by saying "you mean prostitute?" To which he replies "no I meant Protestant!"

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quote:
Originally posted by sidra:

Are you predicting or bashing, Inkameep ?


Actually, there is an incident like that occuring somewhere in the series. I mean with the gay instructor at the swimming pool.

The 2nd time I watched the show on youtube, I found it much funnier. I'm definately watching the next episode.

[ 13 January 2007: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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Actually, there is an incident like that occuring somewhere in the series. I mean with the gay instructor at the swimming pool. West Coast Greeny

Thanks, WCG. Would you know where can I find peeks on future episodes ?


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pool episode
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Too many cliches and too campy, wonder what would be said if this were backwards, you know, Christians are portrayed as misunderstood community and all of the non-Christians are buffoons bigots and extremists. Also doubt that we'll see anything like say, Little Church in the Desert on Saudi TV.

Real understanding and tolerance is possible only after truth and genuine criticism


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quote:
pool episode -Inkameep


Thank you, Inkameep.


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Michelle, you are such a party pooper.


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Too many cliches and too campy, wonder what would be said if this were backwards, you know, Christians are portrayed as misunderstood community and all of the non-Christians are buffoons bigots and extremists. Also doubt that we'll see anything like say, Little Church in the Desert on Saudi TV.
Real understanding and tolerance is possible only after truth and genuine criticism -ithinkiremember

Though well-intentioned, I doubt your comparison of Canada to Saudi Arabia counstitute genuine criticism or contribution to truth.

Regarding Little Churches and Little Mosques: Non-Christians know about, understand and some revere Churches. They acquired such knowledge in many ways, one of which is the existence of Churches, Little and not so little, in their once colonized birth lands.

Furthermore, whatever battles and guerilla wars waged for the liberation/independence of such lans, Churches and Clerics have never been direct targets of any hoslitiles. People never associated Jesus with French, British, Dutch, Belgian.. tanks flattening houses and sending shells throughout villages and soldiers rounding up, killing, maiming and jailing "indegenous" in search for "terrorists".

I remember as a kid, everytime the priest or nuns walk by our hood, we stand up -from sitting- and greet them "Bonjour mon père", "Bonjour ma soeur".

The truth is that "over there" the non Christians do not mix Christianity and colonialism, exploitation, killings and maiming. But "Christians" do associate Islam with "terror".

ETA: Since the discussion is about a Mosque, I can assure you that Muslims know about Christianity (most more than you). If some of them criticize the "West", they never mean Christianity, as some demagogues and spinners want to make it.

[ 14 January 2007: Message edited by: sidra ]


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Sidra: the Globe ran a piece with the show's creator taking questions.Very interesting.

Britcoms had comedy series with drunken priests etc that did not reflect well on the Christian church at all.

I also read that LMOTP can create a spin-off with the intolerant father called Allah In The Family


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quote:
Originally posted by jester:
Britcoms had comedy series with drunken priests etc that did not reflect well on the Christian church at all.

"Father Ted" was one of them. Aside from the resident (and retired) drunken priest it wasn't that bad.


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hey, ***** jumping up and down***** can we close this yet?
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Now that we've gotten to watch you jump up and down, sure!
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