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dale cooper
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posted 18 February 2003 11:05 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok. For those who actually watch the show. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but haven't Buffy's "raise the troops" speeches lately seemed somewhat propogandist?

What was the first one - "They want a war? We won't just sit here and wait for them to come get us. We'll get them first." Then on the new on, her speech to the 'allies' "You guys aren't doing your part. I'M the leader, so you do what I say and pull your own weight to destroy the "Big Evil""

Like, gimme a break. Do we really need a recruitment ad built into fluff pop culture? I think not! I'm almost tempted to stop watching.


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posted 18 February 2003 11:24 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hasn't buffy always carried out pre-emptive special forces strikes against evil-doers? and i hear they're going to replace sarah michelle geller with a new actress to play buffy ... er ... not that i watch, or anything.
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posted 18 February 2003 11:34 AM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought that was the point of introducing Dawn, her little sister, so that she could carry the show when SMG moved on. Er, not that I watch it either (actually, I don't anymore, but I was slightly addicted to it for about 6 months in the recent past).
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posted 18 February 2003 11:48 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think your reaching a bit. Buffy is tired of everyone whining and not pulling their weight. I think she is just tired of digging graves and read them the riot act. I mean really, Willow is the "Wicca the won'ta".

The gossip is that Buffy will leave the slaying to Faith, not a new actress, but the other current slayer, who happens to be in jail. Who the Scoobies or Angel really need to bust out as both are fighting serious big bads right now.

I don't know if you guys caught last night's new Buffy but she did turn down the offer of more power, evil power, and then caught a glimpse of what is waiting under the Hell Mouth and it is an army of ancient vamps. Buffy has always been a show that puts out less popular views on how a society should function and been sensitive to issues mainstream TV ignores. Hello! A gay story line that was good not syrupy!

Unfortunately for Dawn, all her power is gone, no longer the Key and not a potential either.

Gellar may be around for special appearances on possibly either show.


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posted 18 February 2003 02:02 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know. There's been an unusual number of "rally the troops" speeches this season. Even on Angel. And I have to say, I'm none too crazy about all the gun-play on Angel either. Maybe I'm reaching a bit, but it's certainly not too far.

As a side-note, can someone explain to me why, when Buffy died again the other season, was there not another Slayer generated?


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posted 18 February 2003 02:22 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hrm. I can't imagine Joss Whedon "doing his part" to support George Bush, under any circumstances.

And as for the new slayer: I believe a new slayer is summoned not specifically by the death of the existing slayer, but when there is no slayer (as when Buff first died). Since Faith still existed the next time Buffy died, no third slayer was called. That's my guess.


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posted 18 February 2003 02:28 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I believe a new slayer is summoned not specifically by the death of the existing slayer, but when there is no slayer (as when Buff first died).

This isn't true. Faith was called when Kendra was killed, and Buffy was still alive at this point. I'm guessing that there is a reason another Slayer wasn't called and that it will figure into the end of this season - since everything always has repercussions on Buffy.


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posted 18 February 2003 02:34 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My stomach's been churning since that first "war on terror" speech. Mind you, the show has been sliding into the shitter ever since they left high school.
I don't even know if Joss Wheadon is still involved with the writing of the show or if he just sits back and colects a nice fat cheque from the UPN.

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posted 18 February 2003 02:35 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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As a side-note, can someone explain to me why, when Buffy died again the other season, was there not another Slayer generated?

Buffy's death is irrelevant to another slayer being called because of Faith. A few seasons back, Buffy died, a new slayer was called and she and Buffy worked together, that slayer was killed and Faith was called. Faith is in jail for murder, she was a bit of a bad appple, but she better now . When she dies a new slayer will be called even if Buffy is still alive. Technically Buffy acts in Faith's place.

Angel has generally steered away from gun play, but Wes went a bit batty and well Lilah, she was evil so a gun is a natural extension in "Jossverse", to indicate someone not so on the side of good. Same as in Buffy, generally the bad guys have guns not the good guys. Buffy and Willow's partner where gunned down last season and the revenge was with magic not a gun, and then there are consquences for revenge.

I think you might just be mis-reading the signs. Buffy and Angel may be on different networks now but still follow a similar "reality" for the shows.


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posted 18 February 2003 02:41 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I meant the "stylized" gun play on Angel. Like when Wes came out w/ guns blaring against the big demon. Not just Wes using them, but the directing of the scene. It was very "John Woo". They've never really reverted to that sort of thing on Buffy. Even when Warren shot Tara and Buffy, it was very quick and did not focus on the action of shooting.

And no, Joss Whedon has not been writing or directing many of the episodes lately.


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posted 18 February 2003 02:49 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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And no, Joss Whedon has not been writing or directing many of the episodes lately.

Thus the massive sucking sound eminating from the show is explained. Indeed, I now watch it primarily to see how much worse it'll get. They need to shut 'er down after this season or else spin Faith off on her own without anyone from the current series.


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posted 18 February 2003 07:19 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think they should just do a show about vampire slayers through history with no real star. Every few weeks they do a new story about a new slayer.
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posted 18 February 2003 07:30 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was thinking they could do a Faith series where she travels around,having "Kung-Fu" style adventures. Kinda like the Littlest Hobo. But with vampires. Glad they shut the door on the "Dawn: Vampire Slayer" idea. She's just far too annoying.
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posted 18 February 2003 08:07 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whedon spends most of his time over on "Angel," I believe. At least, it's better written than Buffy these days, which is the main reason I've switched. I'm only vaguely aware of what's happening on "Buffy" lately, and not at all interested.

Faith, of course, will be showing up on Angel -- er, that is, on "Angel" -- presently. But what's this about Faith being in jail? Thought she took off out of hospital or something a few seasons back, and has been doing the Lonesome Highway thing.

Edited to add:

I don't think the "Angel" storyline is inspired by the RealWorld(tm) in any literal sense, nor do I think Angel's (or anyone else's) speeches are meant to rally anyone outside of Whedonland. But it's certain that something of the apocalyptic atmosphere of the last year and a half has found an echo on the show. It would be silly to expect otherwise. I'm thinking particularly of the "terror sex" thing that supposedly went on in New York for a while after Sept. 11 -- "the world might end tonight, so let's fuck." Cordelia doesn't use those exact words with Connor, of course, but close enough...

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posted 25 February 2003 11:21 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aargh. So close. She almost made it through the whole new episode without a rally the troops speech, and then blew it in the last 5 minutes. (This is my version of the morning water cooler)

I swear they must be making script changes right up to the last minute to suit the current events of the day. Sickening.

But Andrew is sure funny.


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posted 25 February 2003 11:59 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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But what's this about Faith being in jail?

Faith showed up in LA, I think, a few seasons back and tried to get Angel to kill her, to alleviate her guilt, instead the darling boy helped her forgive herself and take her punishement. I specifically recall an episode were he is visiting her in prision.

The hospital escape was when she awoke from the coma Buffy put her in. She takes off and heads after Angel after a couple skirmishes with Buff. Later Buffy shows up to give Angel shit for not telling her about Faith.


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posted 26 February 2003 10:21 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like Johnathon's comeback with the first - that many of Buffy's friends were murderers.

One thing I don't get about Dawn is that it seems to me that the only difference between her and the potentials is that she will never be a Slayer and that they might someday become a slayer if they are lucky.

I think Spike knows who Principal Wood actually is.

Anyone heard of what's happened to Faith? And what about the other Slayer (the one that slit the neck of the guy who kidnapped Angel's son) how come we don't hear of her - has she already gone over to the dark side?


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Hold it hold it - the one who slit the what?? Which other slayer is this? I missed the whole last season of Angel. Is there actually a 3rd slayer running around?

Speaking of - as per the above discussion regarding Buffy being technically out of the slayer loop and not generating another slayer with her death - she keeps saying when she dies another one of the potentials will become slayer in her place, so that bveing the case, her death the other season should have prompted a third slayer (the one mentioned above?) to be generated, right?


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posted 27 February 2003 11:09 AM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched Angel until A-channel stopped carrying it and the last episode I saw was Angel's son putting Angel in a glass coffin and dropping him to the bottom of the ocean for allegedly killing his "father."

Of course there are two other slayers, Buffy died twice.


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posted 27 February 2003 11:37 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it actually confirmed anywhere that the girl that slit Wes's throat is a slayer or is she just trained to kill vampires?
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She's not a slayer, nor a potential. She joined on with Holtz and his plan to exact revenge on Angel. Her sister was killed by a vampire & was out for blood.
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posted 27 February 2003 11:52 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Anyone heard of what's happened to Faith?

She coming back to Angel next week, either she’s getting busted outta jail or she’s served her time. They need her to deal with Angelus.

quote:
And what about the other Slayer (the one that slit the neck of the guy who kidnapped Angel's son) how come we don't hear of her - has she already gone over to the dark side?

The girl who slit Wes’ throat wasn’t a slayer. her sister was killed by vamps and she was seeking revenge. She also killed the guy who took Angel’s son into the other dimension, at his request but she chose to make it look like a vampire had done it.

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Speaking of - as per the above discussion regarding Buffy being technically out of the slayer loop and not generating another slayer with her death - she keeps saying when she dies another one of the potentials will become slayer in her place, so that bveing the case, her death the other season should have prompted a third slayer (the one mentioned above?) to be generated, right?

They may pretend Faith doesn’t exist anymore because she is currently on Angel or another Slayer will be called because if Buffy dies and Faith is locked up a potential will be called to be on active duty.

And just to be a fanatic, it was in fact an iron coffin with a metal grate over Angel’s face so he could see the ocean. Snow White got the glass coffin .

I love Andrew these days, he's too funny.


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posted 27 February 2003 11:56 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wes is going to bust Faith out of jail to help deal with getting Angel's soul back. Maybe he'll become her watcher again.
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posted 27 February 2003 04:49 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Speaking of - as per the above discussion regarding Buffy being technically out of the slayer loop and not generating another slayer with her death - she keeps saying when she dies another one of the potentials will become slayer in her place, so that bveing the case, her death the other season should have prompted a third slayer (the one mentioned above?) to be generated, right?
Here's the Slayer family tree:

Buffy begat Kendra after she (Buffy)was killed by the Master. Kendra was killed by Drusilla, which brought Faith. Buffy died yet again two seasons back...and then the writers produced some bullshit excuse about how since Buffy was killed by "mystic forces" no other Slayer was called. When Buffy dies yet again, one of the Potentials would be called. which is, of course, a load of crap and indicative of the way the last three or four seasons have been botched by slipshod writing and Star Trek plot lines.


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posted 27 February 2003 07:19 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By the way, it's official: Buffy's done after this season.
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posted 27 February 2003 07:27 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's the word on a replacement series?
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posted 27 February 2003 07:29 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Duno. Wheadon's knocking around a spin-off, one I personally hope will be light on old Buffy characters and maybe refresh the whole universe, which is getting rather stagnant.
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I just had to resurrect this one because last night after the opening credits for Angel ran, a spot came up for the USarmy "Angel is sponsored in part by the United States Army". So for everyone who doubted that Whedon would write subversive pre-USA messages into his shows, there's one more link to the truth of it.
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posted 17 April 2003 04:32 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure that has anything to do with Joss Whedon, and everything to do with the particular station that collects those advertising revenues.
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