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robbie_dee
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posted 08 February 2007 03:01 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was surprised there was no thread yet on her untimely demise

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CNN) -- Anna Nicole Smith died Thursday at a South Florida hospital after being discovered unconscious in her hotel room.

The reality TV star and former model was 39.

"I can confirm that she is deceased. It's as shocking to me as to you guys," Smith's attorney, Ronald Rale, told Reuters. "I don't know anything further. [Her lawyer and husband] Howard [K. Stern], obviously, is speechless and grieving."

Smith's private nurse called Seminole Hard Rock Hotel workers at 1:38 p.m. and security went to the room, Seminole Police Chief Charlie Tiger told reporters.

Before rescue worked arrived, Smith's bodyguard performed CPR on her, he said.

She was taken to Memorial Regional Hospital in Hollywood at 2:10 p.m. where she died, Tiger said. (Watch how Smith's death leaves daughter's fate undecided Video)

An autopsy is scheduled for Friday, according to the Broward County Medical Examiner's Office.



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Khimia
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posted 08 February 2007 03:34 PM      Profile for Khimia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am saddened that virtually every press release announcing her passing opened with reference to the tabloid aspects of her life. Some day her infant daughter will become aware of her Mother's sad history, even Anna Nichole deserves some dignity and respect in death.
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Michelle
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posted 08 February 2007 03:38 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's true. But I guess that's kind of the nature of the beast, huh? Her death wouldn't be newsworthy if it weren't for her fame, and the reason she's famous is because of the tabloid stuff. So, that's what'll be in the news reports of her death, I guess.
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Stargazer
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posted 08 February 2007 03:52 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think this is really sad. After losing her grown son on the morning of the birth of her second, she then get vilified by the media about paternity, and now she is dead. The press' cruel way they went after her was terrible. I am positive that this had a lot to do with her death. Anna Nicole was a human being, and the press continued to call her a whore, no matter what she did. Just yesterday she was on a gossip site with the big headline "Whore" and accusations of her plastic surgery. I am really getting tired with these gossip people and the way they constantly label women whores. It's depressing that nothing has changed.

I can't imagine what her life must have been like for her since her son's death.


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dgrollins
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posted 08 February 2007 04:15 PM      Profile for dgrollins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
The press' cruel way they went after her was terrible.

Entertainment reporting succeeds in that it manages to make what the sports writers are doing seem important (says someone who sometimes writes sports).

I'm not going to go too far in defending the media in this type of situation--gossip writers make the whole industry look bad--but, I will say that there is a bit of a chicken and egg thing going on here.

Are people interested in celebrity "news" because its reported, or is it reported because people are interested? A bit of both, I think.

As far as the reporting goes today, what I've seen seems fair. When writing an obit piece you have to put the good and the bad together, generally erring on the side of good.

Personally, I'm always honoured to write an obit piece. I think most reporters are


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Stargazer
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posted 08 February 2007 04:55 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would agree with you that the reporting was fair as far as her death goes. I guess I should be really clear and say that the gossip tabloids (both print and online) have been incredibly cruel to her.
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Fidel
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posted 08 February 2007 05:24 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The MSM jackals will rip and chew this story to bits in weeks to come. I wonder how much the babby stands to inherit ?.
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oreobw
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posted 08 February 2007 06:41 PM      Profile for oreobw     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The reality TV star and former model was 39."

39 is very young to die. I didn't see any specific reason mentioned. Anyone know why?


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James
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posted 08 February 2007 07:29 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oreobw:
"The reality TV star and former model was 39."

39 is very young to die. I didn't see any specific reason mentioned. Anyone know why?


I'm willing to bet that many unknown 39 yr. olds died of starvation and other causes around the world today. Probably, 39 yr old homeless people have frozen in Winnipeg, Toronto or Montral this week. What makes Anna Smith's death any sadder than these, or, put better, what makes those deaths any less sad or less "newsworthy.

This makes me sick.


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clersal
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posted 08 February 2007 08:00 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I'm willing to bet that many unknown 39 yr. olds died of starvation......

Don't think that was her problem.


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James
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posted 08 February 2007 08:16 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by clersal:

Don't think that was her problem.


Nah; Certainly 'twasn't. But it drives me nuts to see people "sad", "depressed", weeping over her death, people who (like all of us I suppose) never even met her, when every day thousands and thousands of people die young, probably with less culpability than that of our dear Anna, and it doesn't even register on those who now profess to be in mourning.

[ 08 February 2007: Message edited by: James ]


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laine lowe
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posted 08 February 2007 08:25 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously, dying young no matter who you are is tragic and often shocking. Sadly enough, the media attention is not because people are grieving for her. I doubt they will plaster flowers of remembrance in front of the hotel were she died. The attention on her is because she was considered profitable tabloid fodder. I feel very bad for her 5-month old baby who will grow up to learn how her mother was perceived.
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Sven
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posted 08 February 2007 09:42 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by James:
What makes Anna Smith's death any sadder than these, or, put better, what makes those deaths any less sad or less "newsworthy.

This makes me sick.


It's the same reason that morons "rubber neck" every time there's a minor accident on the freeway and bring traffic to a grinding halt with their gawking. They lead pathetically boring and vacuous lives.

How else can one explain the widespread and riveted interest in Anna Nicole?


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Briguy
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posted 09 February 2007 05:46 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I almost went through two days without hearing about this. Count me as surprised that rabble is my source for this 'news'. I guess it helps that I haven't watched TV since Monday. Why again was she famous?

If the cause of death isn't an OD on some substance, I will be surprised. She was most likely medicating for depression (or self-medicating, as they say) after the death of her son.


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josh
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posted 09 February 2007 05:53 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

39 is very young to die. I didn't see any specific reason mentioned. Anyone know why?

I would imagine her great weight swings, use of a diet drug since taken off the market, and illegal drug use and consumption of alcohol, all contributed. For "entertainers," a early demise is not unusual. Mariyln Monroe was 36. Elvis was 42. Jimi Hendrix and janis Joplin were far younger.


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Stargazer
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posted 09 February 2007 06:05 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not a 'moron' for being sad about her death. It's called empathy. Who the hell says you can only have it for one person at a time? Of course I have empathy for the homeless and the addicted and the people who need help. What is bullshit is labeling people who have some fucking empathy morons and another asshat stating you can't be interested in more than 1 thing. Ridicules.

In regards to the cause of death they are saying it could be from a fall on the head, an OD, and various other causes. In short, no one knows yet.

Damn sometimes I think people here are seriously warped and narrow minded.

[ 09 February 2007: Message edited by: Stargazer ]


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sidra
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posted 09 February 2007 06:22 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is the topic that I do not think it to be a Babble material. But death, death of any human being -even my most brutal enemy- is sad.

I have been raised in a cultural environment where you must pay respect to the dead -regardless who it is- by at least walking three steps behind a funerary procession and if you cant, just stand if you are sitting or keep silent and bow your head if you cannot stand up.

Even now, decades after I left that cultural environment, I am not ready to shed that part of the culture.

[ 09 February 2007: Message edited by: sidra ]


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Michelle
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posted 09 February 2007 06:45 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Before this gets ugly...

Honestly, I don't think Sven was referring to people in this thread in his post, although I can't speak for him. I think he was referring to people who spend all their time following celebrity gossip, which certainly doesn't describe people on babble.

I think it happened because James set up a strawman of people weeping and wailing over her death (who has done that here? nobody that I can see) and so one of the people who expressed sadness at the way her death is being covered (Stargazer) figured James's comment and Sven's follow-up remark were aimed at her.

I am hoping that's not the case, but I really don't think it is. I think we're talking in general about the media phenomenon of making a person like Anna Nicole Smith into entertainment fodder, even in death. Thus my point upthread about how her death wouldn't BE newsworthy if it weren't for her gossip column star status, because that's pretty much what she was famous for. It's perfectly legitimate for Stargazer to feel sad about the fact that she was turned into this kind of gossip column fodder. It's also legitimate for people like James to say that in the grand scheme of things, her death shouldn't be considered any more "important" than the deaths that go unreported. It's also legitimate for Sven to say that people who obsess about celebrities' lives need to get a life.

I think, though, that people need to make it clear, especially in a thread where people HAVE expressed sadness over her death, that they're not aiming such sentiments AT people in this thread. It would go a long way to preventing misunderstandings.


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James
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posted 09 February 2007 07:06 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To be clear - no, I certainly wasn't referring to anyone who has posted on this thread, but rather to the media AND those many members of the general public, in convenience stores, clubs, what have you who seem to be able to think, speak, and mourn over nothing else.
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Sven
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posted 09 February 2007 07:06 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Before this gets ugly...

Honestly, I don't think Sven was referring to people in this thread in his post, although I can't speak for him. I think he was referring to people who spend all their time following celebrity gossip, which certainly doesn't describe people on babble.


Oh, God, thank you Michelle. Whew. I just looked at this thread for the first time since posting. You are exactly right. If I was referring to the people at babble (and in this thread in particular) I would, necessarily, be referring to myself as well!!

Some of the early posters were questioning why so much attention was placed on ANS's death by the MSM when millions of ordinary 39 year olds die without a whisper. My point (obviously not articulated very well) is that all of this attention on her death by the MSM is because there are so many people in this world (North America, at least) who love this kind of stuff (and followed every bit of "news" about her and similar "celebrities") that their lives revolve around that shit. I think that those people are vacuous and, very likely, live pretty boring and unstimulating lives. But, because they are out there, the MSM feeds them (more ad revenue).

Sorry for (unintentionally) offending anyone here!!

ETA: I was just thinking...except for a few FDers (I'm assuming that label, anyway) who have come over to simply shit on babble, I am definitely of the opinion that babblers, by and large, are very intelligent, informed and engaged in life. That, along with the political leanings of most babblers, is why I'm even here.

And, Stargazer, I'm particularly sorry if you were offended given my regard for you.

[ 09 February 2007: Message edited by: Sven ]


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dgrollins
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posted 09 February 2007 07:26 AM      Profile for dgrollins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oreobw:
"The reality TV star and former model was 39."

39 is very young to die. I didn't see any specific reason mentioned. Anyone know why?


Media ethics dictates that you do not speculate on cause of death, particularly if there is a possibility that the death was by suicide (which, I think, is a possibility here).

If an official cause of death is issued, it will be reported.

Not to be cold, but a case like this illustrates a lot of the issues traditional media are facing in this day and age. How do you deal with a case like this when A) - you know that speculation will be widespread on less formal new media and "citizen journalism" outlets and B) - You are dealing with the death of a person who is famous mostly for being famous--I described her as the Paris Hilton of her era to a person who didn't know who she was last night. But, these are likely discussions for another thread.

And her death is sad. Not because she was famous, but because she was human.


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Sven
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posted 09 February 2007 08:41 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dgrollins:
...a person who is famous mostly for being famous...

Is it possible to describe ANS more accurately in such succinct terms?

I doubt it.


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arborman
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posted 09 February 2007 10:35 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by laine lowe:
I feel very bad for her 5-month old baby who will grow up to learn how her mother was perceived.

Well, 15 years is a long time in tabloid land. We'll see a great many celebrity flame-outs and scandals between now and then.

How many people remember the gossip atrocities of 1990?


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jeff house
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posted 09 February 2007 12:33 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The media are now obsessing about Anna Nicole Smith. Consequently, far less attention is paid to stories like this one, which occurred on the same day:

quote:
U.S. Marine transport helicopter crashed in flames Wednesday in a field northwest of Baghdad, killing all seven people aboard, the U.S. military said. It was the fifth U.S. aircraft lost in less than three weeks and the latest sign of growing problems with aviation in Iraq.

The more Hollywood gossip supplants news, the more events like this one will occur again and again in countries all over the globe.

Of course "consumers" like gaudy news over more serious items. That's what's wrong with market-based news coverage. It guarantees that reality loses out to breasts and scandal. And the country pays in the long run, with things like troop deaths caused by ignorance of the world.


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Michelle
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posted 09 February 2007 01:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But what is the alternative to market-based news coverage? Not that idiocy and irrelevancies leading headlines is a good thing, mind you.

I guess we really are amusing ourselves to death. Not sure what the solution is, though.


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unionist
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posted 09 February 2007 01:33 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This thread reminds me of "Entertainment Today". How anyone can care, sincerely, about the life or death of this "celebrity", given the other problems facing humanity right in our communities, amazes me. Let me say it clearly: I don't care.
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remind
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posted 09 February 2007 06:53 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Was not going to participate in this thread, but could not resist with the latest twist. Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband Prince Frederick von Anhalt had a press conference saying if the little girl's custody is granted, to either of the contending fathers, he will step up with more information about the child. This just keeps getting stranger.

Also, the coroner said no evidence of habitual drug use.

IMV, Anna Nicole was a very strong woman, who I actually admired on a couple of non-surface levels.


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posted 09 February 2007 08:31 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Antonia Zerbisias:
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Anybody want to bet against me that, over the next few days, the U.S. media will be more consumed with the sudden death of DDD-list blond bombshell Anna Nicole Smith than with Tuesday's report by a U.S. congressional committee that an estimated $12 billion (U.S.) – 360 tons of shrink-wrapped C-notes – were flown to Iraq between May 2003 and June 2004?

No, I didn't think so, even though the cash can't be accounted for, even though there are suspicions that much of it ended up with the insurgency, even though U.S. troops are getting killed for lack of proper armour and equipment.

Turn on the news and it's been all about "astro-nut" Lisa Nowak, she who should land a Depends endorsement deal, and her wild cross-country pursuit of love lost in space. Or something like that. Fill in your own space oddity pun. Every news organization has, as Jon Stewart pointed out the other night.



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M. Spector, now I'm getting confused. Are you saying (or is Zerbisias saying) that Anna Nicole Smith was the operational codename for a $12 billion WMD effort by Saddam Hussein involving the dropping of depleted uranium (aka "blonde") bombshells on the World Trade Centre?

Unless I misread that item, this is freakin' HUGE.

I retract my "I don't care" comment earlier on. I totally misunderstood this thread. I thought it was about empty-headed trivia and voyeurism. Clearly, thanks to M. Spector's find, the fate of civilization as we know it may now hinge on the autopsy.

Moderators, may I modestly propose the immediate suspension of all other threads so that the collective intellect of all babblers may be brought to bear on this burning issue? Thank you in advance.


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Anne Nicole Smith doesn't deserve too much sympathy. She lived her life in the press and now she'll die in the hands of the press, who will pick her media carcass clean until they can extract every possible rating point. Indeed, CNN's Anderson Cooper looks like he was pulled back from Baghdad to cover her story. That's American Show Business at its best. The only event America loves more than success is failure- or lurid death in this case.

The only thing that would improve her death story is to spin it to say she died like Marilyn. Of course, we'll have to find a way to blame Frank Sinatra and JFK for that, but those are just details. The funeral should be a full blown media circus and feeding frenzy in the finest Access Hollywood tradition.


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Fidel
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Dead people everywhere in this case. How many millions will ANS' baby be worth to the two or three people trying to claim custody ?.
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posted 09 February 2007 11:38 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some of you really don't know anything about respect.

If you don't want to talk about her, than FUCKING DON'T.

If you think it is such a waste of time to talk about her, than why are you on this thread?

Anna Nicole Smith was a big part of the popular culture and that's what people will be talking about on this specific thread.

I feel bad for her death, I feel bad that her weight issue was bothering her so much, I feel bad that people are always making fun of her, I feel bad that her 20 year old son died, I feel bad that she died, i feel bad that her baby won't have a mother. May she rest in peace with her 20 year old son.

[ 09 February 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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Sorry Sven and James. Thanks for clearing that up. But I do hope people realize that we all have the capacity for empathy that can and does extent to more than one issue.

Jeff, I read about the US soldiers deaths. I've also been keeping up on what has been happening to Watada, which I hope turns out well for him. So far it is looking good. I also read the piece about that in Common Dreams. Many of us are very very capable of absorbing all sorts of news at the same time.

I view the Anana Nicole Smith death and life more in terms of feminist issues, but that is another topic entirely.


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posted 10 February 2007 09:23 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, here's a smarmy bit of sophistry from Paul Berton, over at the London Free Press and Church Bulletin.

Why Nicole Smith's death was front page news.

Paul Berton, David Frum and Ben Mulroney will be guests tonight on CBC Newsworld to discuss the pros and cons of nepotism in Canada's media.

Anywho. It's funny how even if you want to stay away from this kind of coverage, you can't. Last night at work, or the night before I guess, a guy asked if I had been listening to the radio. (mercifully, the radio has been turned off at my work station, saving me from the banal blast of "Bob FM") No, I said. "Anna Nicole Smith is dead" says he.

Then of course, it's on the news faster than I can surf away. Not that I have feeling one way or another to her personally.

I just really hate media focus on people who are famous for being famous, as I think Twueman Capowtee once said.


What Berton and others fail to see is that if you run this stuff on page one, you damage your credibility.... if, you know, you were a newpaper that had some in the first place.


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posted 10 February 2007 03:03 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I guess we really are amusing ourselves to death. Not sure what the solution is, though.

Media diversity is the key. All mainstream outlets will be carrying on in this tawdry and childish fashion, while many alternative media outlets will behave with some measure of responsibility and write about something relevent, but hardly anyone will see them. If our "big" media wasn't all the same companies printing all the same news, it might be possible for a few outlets to show some maturity where regular people can access it. As it is, they all read from the same page and spew the same shit.

I can't guarantee that a diversified media wouldn't still jump into lock-step to beat whatever dead celebrity horse is making headlines this week, but at least the chances would be much better.


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posted 10 February 2007 03:13 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:

I feel bad for her death, I feel bad that her weight issue was bothering her so much, I feel bad that people are always making fun of her, I feel bad that her 20 year old son died, I feel bad that she died, i feel bad that her baby won't have a mother. May she rest in peace with her 20 year old son.

You forgot her lawsuit to get her "husband"'s wealth. Do you feel bad that she won't live to enjoy that money?

Let me tell you something. You feel sorry for her. I don't. You say she's part of "popular culture". I am the enemy of that culture, and I fight it wherever and however I can. And if you think you alone have the right to express your opinion about this pathetic character and her pathetic story, think again.


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posted 10 February 2007 09:36 PM      Profile for Legless-Marine        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by robbie_dee:
I was surprised there was no thread yet on her untimely demise


Sad. Icarus immediately comes to mind.


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