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posted 07 August 2001 07:04 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has he really gone around the bend? Attack Of The Clones? This is what George Lucas is actually planning on naming the next SW film! check it out here and sign, to stop this madness!
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posted 07 August 2001 07:12 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
STOP him!
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posted 07 August 2001 07:25 PM      Profile for marty raw     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember in Star Wars : A New Hope (Episode4), where Luke asks Obi-Wan "You fought in the Clone Wars?"

Granted, "The Clone Wars" would have made a better title but Lucas is referencing the Saturday-afternoon serials of his youth, the very things that made him want to become a filmmaker in the first place.

Personally, I can't wait. The last movie was like a fight in a toystore.


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posted 07 August 2001 07:29 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, yes! The Clone Wars were the beginning of the end for the Old Republic. But, ANYTHING (well, almost anything) would be better than Attack Of The Clones! I think perhaps this is a way for George to say "to all of you that thought that there was some greater depth left to these movies than pure merchandising -- sod off!"
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posted 07 August 2001 08:20 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got an A on my 3rd year paper about mythology and Star Wars, so I speak with ultimate authority here.


George Lucas took a lot of his inspiration for Star Wars (and for Indiana Jones) from movies serials of the 50s. Starting the series with Episode 4, and the scrolling text at the beginning of each flick, is a direct reference to the old Flash Gordon serials.

If you go back and take a look at the episode titles of those serials, you'll find a bunch of really silly titles. "Attack of the Clones" is very much in keeping with that sorta heritage.


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posted 07 August 2001 08:58 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't that kinda like a person designing a Space Shuttle taking their design cues from a WWI biplane? I mean, I understand inspiration, but it's been four movies, George! Star Wars has a life and aesthetic all it's own! Why the need for additional derivativeness?
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posted 07 August 2001 11:28 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm wondering now if the next Star Wars film won't involve Mothra.
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I think I'm getting ripped-off again! Then again, I've gotten used to it these past twenty years and the whole idea of a copyright is entirely meaningless to me...
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posted 08 August 2001 12:12 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does not compute. Please explain.
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Aha. Nature is Homer. By which I mean, Lucas has now obviously produced enough that his work can be submitted to a rigorous Frygian analysis. (Frygian, as in Northrop Frye.)

There is nothing new under the sun; there are only four plots. But there's lots you can do with them, once you've accepted that.


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posted 08 August 2001 10:34 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm with mediaboy. Attack of the Clones is the perfect amount of cheese for the cheese that is star wars. And don't get me wrong; I LOVE star wars. I can quote all three (not four - yet) verbatim (hee!). But guys, really. The acting, the plots, the dialogue - CRAP! Cheese! Horrible! And I LOVE it all!

I think the title fits perfectly. And the man can call his movie whatever the hell he wants


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posted 08 August 2001 12:30 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When Return of the Jedi was released in 1983, not too many members of the target audience (kids) complained about the Ewoks. The Ewoks were DAMNED popular in the early-mid 80s.

Jar-Jar is a different matter, but they sure sold a hell of a lot of Jar Jar toys.


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I'm in the depths of dispair. *credit to Anne Shirley... LM Montgomery.

Star Wars?

Attack of the Clones?

You know. With the original trilogy, Ewoks aside for a moment, there was a hint of majesty.

The forces of the Light and Dark side of a mystical power that bound the universe together battling it out with those that were devout. There was a little Force in everyone, but it could not be defined, and it could only be mastered by a select, gifted few.

The grand vistas, the magnificent ships, the classical music, the ceremony of royalty, the romance, the sacrifice, the triumph, the humour of the droids, the list goes on.

I counted down the days to the opening of... that shit smeared on celluloide that claimed to be part of the Star Wars saga. I'm not going to breath air into it's name, it was SO F*CKING BAD.

I waited for hours in line to watch the midnight show. My hair twisted into tight buns, my white hooded cape brushing against my boots. My husband, in a white shirt and black vest, swashbuckling his way through the line.

I couldn't even speak after I left that theatre. The pain did not end there.

I was bombarded by images of the brat and amphibian everywhere I went.

Pizza? Say hi to the life-sized Jarjar at the door. Need a Rubbermaid container from Zellers? You'll have to wade through the 11-minutes-of-footage-that-was-Darth-Maul-T-Shirts. Want a Slurpee? You'll have to suck it out of an Anakin cup.

George Lucas took a magical story, reaped the rewards of the originals for a generation, wooed child and adult alike, capturing their joy and imagination....he had over a DECADE to fine-tune his master-script that would represent the inception of this grand tale.... And he flushed it. He is a capitalist pig. If he could make a nickel from putting his own face on a chip bag he would do it.

"The Attack of the Clones"? Of course the "Clone Wars" would be a classier title. But this guy has no class. He'll try to attract those that aren't dedicated fans of Star Wars with a stupid, juvenile title, and at the same time know those that love Star Wars with faithfully go regardless of what he called it.

Whatever. My heart was broken long ago. I'll see who's working on this film. I'll see who's in it, and who's being created. I'll see what it deals with. I may even send my husband to scout it out first. Then, and only then, will I consider giving that careless prick $8 of my money. I'll consider it therapy fees to heal the anguish that was caused.

-Trin.


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posted 08 August 2001 01:12 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Uh, folks? It's just a movie, eh?
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Just thought I'd be honest and stay in the melodramatic theme at the same time. It wasn't just a movie for me, it was a special part of my childhood.
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posted 08 August 2001 01:55 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly Arkham.
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Hmm. I'm a bit conflicted on this whole issue. On the one hand, merchandise-driven, focus-tested, commercialised 'art' produced solely for consumption sucks.

On the other hand, I liked the original trilogy, and I didn't think Phantom Menace was awful. And, I think it's a bit odd to criticise someone for supposedly selling out their own vision. Besides, regardless of subtitle, Number 2, as the episode that begins the process leading to the destruction of the Republic and rise of the Empire, will have to be rather dark and bleak - I'm looking forward to it.


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posted 08 August 2001 05:14 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I still maintain that Lucas creates his movie based on his own vision, and he doesn't rely on the Hollywood tools of test screenings and focus groups. He takes risks, and sometimes people don't like his choices. But I could never accuse him of being too "hollywood", or of "selling out".

He still uses all his own money to make his movies, doesn't he? I know ESB and ROTJ were made with his own movie. Anybody know about the new flicks?

I like Ewoks. I liked Jar Jar Binks' character and personality. I just hated all the CGI in TPM, and the editing.


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posted 08 August 2001 05:39 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nobody thought the original Star Wars would make any money. It only cost 9 million to make. Lucas had a hell of a time convincing a studio to finance it.


I would agree that Lucas is a little mad with creative power. He KNOWS people will see a Star Wars flick, regardless of how he makes it. Since it's his money he's spending, he can do whatever he wants. Does that make it a commercial movie?

The way I see it, most Hollywood studios are obsessive about making movies, which is why they make bland, commercial, focus-group-tested, cookie-cutter movies.

When you don't have to worry so much about the grosses, you can be free to flex your artistic muscles. That's what I see when I watch a Lucas movie. In fact, I think more people would have like the movie if he HAD relied on focus-groups and audience testing, because that probably would have eliminated Jar Jar, as well as a lot of the other elements most people dislike about TPM. If he'd paid some marketing firm gobs of money to come up with a consumer-friendly title, people would like it more. But he's chosen a title that expresses his personal, artistic vision.


Or maybe I'm giving George Lucas too much credit?


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Yes. You are definately giving Lucas WAY too much credit. I wouldn't watch TPM again if I were paid.

Star Wars disappointment aside, it was a BAD movie. BAD writing. BAD character development. BAD casting. Borrowed, re-hashed plot.

I think you're trying to play devils advocate by saying you actually enjoyed Jar-jar. Aren't you? ADMIT IT!

*Trinitty calms her self.


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posted 09 August 2001 07:08 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I will lose myself in Star Wars Galaxies which will, happily, be midichlorian free!
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posted 09 August 2001 08:16 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, they all have a certain appeal (with the exception of Human, which I can be any old time). The discussions on the Developer's Board are rather interesting to follow -- Verant is doing an excellent job of consulting their player-base, even before Beta.
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