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Brian White
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posted 13 July 2006 07:00 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Zidane's family came from Algeria (where guys buy acid to punish presumed female infidelity).
In that context, calling the guys sister and mum a whore is a lot worse. And I could argue that Zidane standing up for his mum and sister will encourage algerian brothers and sons to do likewise and might help women get a fairer deal in that country.
The italian guy should be banned from soccer.
Think about it. What would you do? I never ever heard the like of that in pub team soccer.
There is a kind of justice given to guys that cheat in that way in the real world.
Zidane is the best player in the world but it looks like he knows that there is more to the world than winning soccer games.
He made a stand for respect and civility between players during a game.
Perhaps he could have ignored the filth and might have won the game, but then the filth would have continued unabated. Perhaps now the mind games will be curtailed.

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sidra
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posted 13 July 2006 08:54 PM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Zidane's family came from Algeria (where guys buy acid to punish presumed female infidelity). Brian White

Could you please provide any evidence that led you to make such "acid" statement.


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posted 13 July 2006 09:00 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sidra:

Could you please provide any evidence that led you to make such "acid" statement.


I have no idea if this is a reputable organization or not (just selected it at random) but there were over a quarter million hits to a Google of: algeria acid women.

Are you of the belief that such attacks don't occur? Personally, I have no idea, either way.


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Fidel
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posted 13 July 2006 09:18 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Angola and Nigeria are home to repressive regimes with atrocious human rights records. And they are among the top ten suppliers of oil to the U.S. Democracy and natural resource wealth are incompatible.
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posted 13 July 2006 10:36 PM      Profile for ghlobe        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I have no idea if this is a reputable organization or not (just selected it at random) but there were over a quarter million hits to a Google of: algeria acid women.

Are you of the belief that such attacks don't occur? Personally, I have no idea, either way.


These kind of attacks are a result of the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Algeria in the past two decades. Zidane was born in Marseilles. His parents came to France long before the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

But in general you are right, insulting female family members of people is the most gruesome form of insult in Middle East and North Africa. People could easily get killed for it.

As for the incident, Zidane has a history of hot temper and violence, and Materazzi is known for his dirty plays and insults. Two grown men created a memorable scene in WC finals. Most everybody has already got over it.

[ 13 July 2006: Message edited by: ghlobe ]


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posted 14 July 2006 05:29 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And I could argue that Zidane standing up for his mum and sister will encourage algerian brothers and sons to do likewise and might help women get a fairer deal in that country.

Which is the original intent of this tread. To which i say sheessssh, give me a break!!

Thugs, goons and bullies of every persuasion have been using the excuse of 'he insulted my xxxx' for eons and it is high time we told them stick it in your ear.

Getting angry or being outraged is one thing. Acting like a petty thug is simply no longer acceptable. I hope the other player sues the punks ass off to boot.


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Brian White
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posted 14 July 2006 06:29 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what would you do? If someone called your mother a whore? And if she was dieing at the time?
Just wondering? O yeah, nothing. good for you.
They got lip readers to figure out what the guy said a few days before Zidane confirmed it. I dont get soccer these days. They used to send people off for audible obsenitys. And surely calling a guys mum a whore is an obsenity everywhere?

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posted 14 July 2006 07:27 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
whatever. Some people mature and others want to continue to be petulant children. The guy is still a mutt.

Personally, whenever someone tries to verbally insult me i am more than capable of using my own verbal skills to make them look foolish both to themselves and anyone else witnessing the event. There is no sweeter revenge than to leave the insulting person looking and feeling like a fool. And there are no assault charges that can come with it

One time i saw two men engaged in insult tossing. One finally shouts "ah.. why don't you suck my c##k!" and stands back with a smirk looking like he had thrown the crowning insult.
To which the other repilied "it'd be the best blow job you ever had!".

Everyone broke up laughing, including BOTH guys arguing and the conflict was over


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posted 15 July 2006 02:25 AM      Profile for RANGER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been involved in beer league hockey games in which worse (yes worse) things have been said and have seen players keep it together, should he have lost it? I can understand that, but not in the world cup final, he put himself before his team, nuff said.
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posted 15 July 2006 06:01 AM      Profile for Merowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I thought France was robbed anyway.

Zidane's headbutt was surprising; the guy is a polished professional with a lot of experience, it was his last match before retiring; it just made me wonder what the Italian had said to wind him up so much. It doesn't forgive Zidane, but he doesn't lose any points in my estimation; he's still an exquisite player, who shone in the last couple of matches.

And, a few minutes from the end of overtime in a match where both sides must have played themselves to an advanced state of exhaustion, I understand the tension.

I remember that less than a minute into the game Henry was down, and he must have been hit really hard it took him a long time to overcome the apparent dizziness from a nasty blow to the head; I think the Italians came on very hard and perhaps rather dirty in the first few minutes but the French sorted them out pretty quickly. My reading.

France won, I reckon. One missed penalty from Trezegeut doesn't change that! Allez les Bleus! And I think the headbutt, in the fullness of time, will only enhance Zidane's reputation.


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M. Spector
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posted 15 July 2006 01:27 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
World fascinated by Zidane saga
quote:
Iconic French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy wrote in the press of the "suicide" of a "demi-god," calling Zidane a "super-Achilles" who was humanized by a head-butt instead of a vulnerable heel.

Many intellectuals found a certain grandeur in Zidane's act, seeing it as a gesture of tragic or existential revolt against the huge weight of expectation the world had thrust upon his shoulders.

Others questioned how a player such as Materazzi - widely known as a ruffian on the field - could dare interfere with the workings of a genius.

In commentary in the New Republic magazine entitled "Zidane's Priceless Headbutt," Luke Dempsey indignantly observed that the Italian "had the temerity to speak words to Zidane - who dares speak to Debussy as he composes, to Victor Hugo as he writes, to Edith Piaf as she sings, to Monet as he paints?"

More broadly, the incident immediately became fodder for pop culture mania, generating Internet jokes, an online game where users mow down a field of Materazzis, and jingles about head-butting.


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gula
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posted 15 July 2006 02:52 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Merowe:
Well, I thought France was robbed anyway.

Zidane's headbutt was surprising; the guy is a polished professional with a lot of experience, it was his last match before retiring; it just made me wonder what the Italian had said to wind him up so much. It doesn't forgive Zidane, but he doesn't lose any points in my estimation; he's still an exquisite player, who shone in the last couple of matches.

And, a few minutes from the end of overtime in a match where both sides must have played themselves to an advanced state of exhaustion, I understand the tension.

I remember that less than a minute into the game Henry was down, and he must have been hit really hard it took him a long time to overcome the apparent dizziness from a nasty blow to the head; I think the Italians came on very hard and perhaps rather dirty in the first few minutes but the French sorted them out pretty quickly. My reading.

France won, I reckon. One missed penalty from Trezegeut doesn't change that! Allez les Bleus! And I think the headbutt, in the fullness of time, will only enhance Zidane's reputation.



Yes, yes and yes.

Honestly I thought that the Italian's play in the finals stank (I did not see the overtime) I am happy to hear that a lot of their players will have plenty of time to think about it in the "B" league.

Vive Zizou.


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posted 05 August 2006 12:02 AM      Profile for Tom_fresh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Uh, I don´t think it had that much to do with all his Algerian background and whatnot. It´s actually quite simple. It´s a natural human feeling to be angered, right? Well, Materazzi provoked him and he felt like headbutting him to realease his anger.Also, Saying that Materazzi should be "banned" from soccer for such a stupid thing is kind of a bold statement now, isn´t it? I think that the tension that the players are under in that final stage of the cup was also a good reason for headbutting Materazzi.
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Surely no one sees this as anything more than a couple of emotionally immature dickheads squabbling in the schoolyard? Name calling and petulant violence? Give us all a break and send these children to counselling.
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posted 05 August 2006 08:18 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by otter:
Surely no one sees this as anything more than a couple of emotionally immature dickheads squabbling in the schoolyard? Name calling and petulant violence? Give us all a break and send these children to counselling.

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gula
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posted 05 August 2006 08:22 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by otter:
Surely no one sees this as anything more than a couple of emotionally immature dickheads squabbling in the schoolyard? Name calling and petulant violence? Give us all a break and send these children to counselling.

Why are the kind of comments that would be cause of legal action in other areas be OK in sports? Like WTF civility has no place in sports?

Zizou for ever


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