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Michelle
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posted 19 March 2006 12:42 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dude.
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posted 19 March 2006 01:06 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At first glance, I dismissed him as the world's first surviving brain donor.

Then I read the lyrics and felt the hatred:

quote:
Some of them daven
Some of them blingin
Some of them "actin" like thugs
Some of them wondering what's the deal with Ju-da-is-m
Some of them don't know what to Jew
Some of them don't feel God at all
Some of them trust their instincts that rabbi's Yom Kippur's a $how
Some in JAP society dre$$in up but feelin low
Some of their teachers twist the Scripture like a mitzvah magic show
Some of the chevrey Jew know Jesus on down low
Some of them done with "religion" oppressed and messed
They hit by Satan's blow yo

Bad news.


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posted 19 March 2006 01:30 AM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heheheh
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This guy fascinates me.

Check him out pontificating on kabbalah and the messianic Jews ....

I love this guy!!!!

Jews for Jesus ... baby

[ 19 March 2006: Message edited by: mary123 ]


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posted 19 March 2006 09:32 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mary123:
This guy fascinates me.

Check him out [snip]


Non merci.


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posted 19 March 2006 09:35 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hee, unionist, I giggled when I read your "first surviving brain donor" thing. No kidding.

BTW, that's pretty standard fare with Jews for Jesus. When they had that big campaign in Toronto in the summer of 2003, some of the stuff they had printed in their flyers was utterly offensive. Basically, "your rabbis keep you ignorant and never let you ask questions because they're afraid you'll see the truth." Talk about Jewish conspiracy theories.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Talk about Jewish conspiracy theories.

I found the connection between Jews and $$$money$$$ creepy, feeding into some pretty ancient hatreds. Do they often do that too?


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posted 19 March 2006 10:15 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find that stuff really offensive - guesse the hard-arsed Zionists are looking the wrong way when they accuse leftists of being "self-hating Jews". Too bad, he's rather cute...
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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
I found the connection between Jews and $$$money$$$ creepy, feeding into some pretty ancient hatreds. Do they often do that too?

Oh wow, I totally missed that the first time I skimmed those lyrics! Holy crap. I guess he figures, though, that since he's supposedly Jewish, he can criticize with impunity. Kind of like the "Once You Go JAP" fashion spread in Heeb Magazine. Except, that's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, like the rest of the magazine, and an in-joke among the Jewish writers and the Jewish target audience, a way of turning a stereotype on its ear. This guy, on the other hand, is serious, invoking the stereotype to condemn the group. That's way different, and utterly offensive.

I'm not an expert on J4J materials, unionist, so I don't know whether the Jews/money stereotype is invoked much by them. In fact, it's pretty nervy of this guy to invoke it anyway, considering that Jews for Jesus has evangelical/charismatic roots, and it's not like charismatic Christian culture is immune to consumerism!


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posted 19 March 2006 10:44 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read those $$ signs as being a hip-hop schtick, myself, but maybe I'm being naive. Or maybe it's meant to operate on both of those levels.
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quote:
Originally posted by kuri:
I read those $$ signs as being a hip-hop schtick, myself, but maybe I'm being naive. Or maybe it's meant to operate on both of those levels.

I'm way too old to understand hip-hop (other than that it feels progressive to me compared to other music), but the only $$ signs Cohen used were in conjunction with Rabbis and JAPs. I trust hip-hop doesn't do that?


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*Some* of it is progressive, unionist. A good portion of the commercial hip-hop is money obsessed and woman hating. OTOH, other strains are progressive. The movie, CB4 starring Chris Rock might give you a good glance at the not-so-progressive side. (It's basically a "Spinal Tap" style movie, but spoofing commercial rap.) Commercial rap of the '80's and '90's used $$ quite a bit, including oversize rhinestone-encrusted $ pendants on giant gold chains. But I haven't listened to it in quite sometime, so I'm probably dating myself with those references.
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quote:
Originally posted by kuri:
But I haven't listened to it in quite sometime, so I'm probably dating myself with those references.

Thanks for that, kuri. You've given me a reason and a direction to have a closer look at hip-hop. Mind you, I haven't seen much of anything in modern pop culture that isn't woman-hating or at the very least woman-degrading.


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By coincidence, there's also a Hasidic reggae guy, Matishayu, who's had a few hits lately:

quote:
In short, Matisyahu has become the most famous Hasid this side of the Baal Shem Tov, the movement's 18th-century founder. Whatever you think of the music, there's no denying the powerful novelty of the singer's shtick. The Top 40 has always been a pageant of excess, absurdity, and trans-ethnic pastiche, but there's not really a precedent for "Play MediaKing Without a Crown," which finds Matisyahu crooning, in a lilting pseudo-Caribbean patois, "I want Moshiach [the messiah] now," shouting out paeans to "Hashem" (Orthodox Jews' favorite term for God), and declaring "Me no want sensimilla Ö/ Torah food for my brain." The video for the new single, "Play MediaYouth," is like a bad Saturday Night Live skit come to life, with the tracksuit-clad young Hasid skanking across a Brooklyn rooftop, brown beard billowing beneath a homeboy's hoodie. What's next, an Amish boy band?

It all gets a little less surprising when you learn Matisyahu's back story. Turns out, he's a Baal Teshuvah, or penitent, a secular Jew who "returned" to the Orthodox foldóbefore he was Matisyahu, he was Matthew Miller, White Plains, N.Y., native and student at the New School University in Greenwich Village. Most tellingly, he was a dreadlocked Phish fanatic, from which we may infer that prior to discovering "Torah food," he had a rather different attitude toward sensimilla. His religious awakening occurred in college, after meeting a young Lubavitcher rabbi in Washington Square Park, where many impressionable young men have experienced spiritual epiphanies. Lubavitcher Hasidim are famous for their aggressive efforts to proselytize to non-Orthodox Jews, and Miller soon traded in jam-band fandom for 21st-century shtetl life in the Lubavitcher enclave of Crown Heights, Brooklyn.


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Wow I thought he was being ironic.

He is a hottie though.


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quote:
Originally posted by mary123:
Wow I thought he was being ironic.

He is a hottie though.


Are you being ironic, or do you think it's acceptable and not degrading to talk about people in public in that way? This is a serious question.


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What is your issue unionist. He is a cute one. Does that offend you? Really, some people are a tad far to easily offended.

Next time you see a hot girl or guy walking down the street be sure to not pay attention and be sure to repress any of those nasty feelings of lust.


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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
What is your issue unionist. He is a cute one. Does that offend you? Really, some people are a tad far to easily offended.

Next time you see a hot girl or guy walking down the street be sure to not pay attention and be sure to repress any of those nasty feelings of lust.


It's not about feelings. It's about how you talk about people in public.

Women are still degraded and objectified by being referred to as "attractive" in news items, for example. You think the solution is to apply the same criteria to men?

What about those who don't fit your "hot" criteria? I'm imagining a review of a concert given by some hitherto unknown female singer, saying: "I loved her voice, but the performance would have been more enjoyable if she weren't so fat and homely?"

Our children suffer from these distinctions every day. I have long thought that society is ready to move beyond them. That doesn't mean that you personally have to pair off with partners you don't find hot. It means we should think about what values we want to cultivate in judging our fellow human beings.


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Hey keep your nastiness to yourself! I personally don't particpate in the fat and ugly pissing contest. And I don't appreciate the inference that I do.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
Hey keep your nastiness to yourself! I personally don't particpate in the fat and ugly pissing contest. And I don't appreciate the inference that I do.

I'm truly sorry. My initial comment was in response to mary123, not you. I tried to explain how I felt about characterizing people in terms of their appearance or "sex appeal". This was my opinion, and it's a strongly held one. You intervened in that discussion, as you have every right to do. I accused you of nothing whatsoever, neither directly nor by inference. I suggest you work a bit on your posting style and manners.


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
I suggest you work a bit on your posting style and manners.
Kettle, pot.

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I commented on this rapper guys beautiful face. He's gorgeous. Even lagatta agrees.

If the complainer in question had bothered checking out the guy's website he/she would have noticed all photos of the guys face and none of him in a skimpy swimsuit or sexy clothing.

Yes it's a shock to you that women find men attractive and comment on it. Ohhh how subversive.

Beauty in men and women is a beautiful thing. And this rapper dude is a beautiful man.

Although he is entitled to his own religious views whatever they may be.

[ 24 March 2006: Message edited by: mary123 ]


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Even if he's entitled to his religious views, I think we're certainly entitled to call him a prick for being so anti-semitic. I mean...fair's fair.

I f***ing hate Jews for Jesus!


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quote:
Even if he's entitled to his religious views, I think we're certainly entitled to call him a prick for being so anti-semitic. I mean...fair's fair.

I agree. I worked with 2 Jews for Jesus characters about 8 years ago. They were easily the most anti-Semitic people I had ever met. OTOH, and this is what I found, REALLY weird...they considered themselves Jewish and one of their main reasons for hating seemed to be that other Jews didn't consider them to be Jewish.


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quote:
If the complainer in question had bothered checking out the guy's website he/she would have noticed all photos of the guys face and none of him in a skimpy swimsuit or sexy clothing.

I would have loved to see this guy in skimpy swimsuits or sexy clothing!

quote:
Yes it's a shock to you that women find men attractive and comment on it.

Hey...some of us guys think he's kinda cute too! It's just too bad he belongs to a sect that most find offensive.


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Duplicate post removed!

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quote:
Originally posted by mary123:
I commented on this rapper guys beautiful face. He's gorgeous. Even lagatta agrees.

If the complainer in question had bothered checking out the guy's website he/she would have noticed all photos of the guys face and none of him in a skimpy swimsuit or sexy clothing.

Yes it's a shock to you that women find men attractive and comment on it. Ohhh how subversive.


Belinda Stronach/Michaelle Jean/Avril Lavigne/Pauline Marois is really hot. God, she turns me on. Talk about sexy. C'mon over my way, gorgeous. Who cares about your views, I really dig your looks. Yeah.

No thank you. It's uncivilized. We have moved on from there. And if men spoke like that about women in public contexts, it would be just as uncivilized - only more people would correctly object.

No, I'm not shocked that women find men attractive, or vice versa, or that people find others of the same sex attractive. I'm not shocked that people have sex privately and consensually. But I see, from my own teenage children, how social discourse, peer pressure, media and culture have retreated from the gains of the 1970s and 80s and are now objectifying women and girls on a hitherto unimagined scale - while true equality of the sexes in our society is far from being won and consolidated.

So, every chance I get, I've given myself the mission of making this little point. I'm sorry if you find it bothersome.


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I keep misreading this thread title as Jaws4Jesus. Thought I'd share.


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unionist, there is a difference between seeing women in a political role as sex-objects, (though I do think MichaŽlle Jean is really hot - and we studied together) and recognising the role some kind of sex appeal plays in the performing arts. That sex appeal does not necessarily depend being very young or conforming to the stereotyped ideal - lots of blues and Latin music singers of both sexes and all genders are seen as "hot" long after the first blush of youth, and despite "fat bottoms" or "skinny legs" ...

For example, I think it would have been most offensive to talk about how blowsy and over-the-hill sex-kitten Brigitte Bardot looks while attacking her silly taken on environmental issues. (Who would have to do that anyway; the woman is a bloody racist and Le Pen supporter!) But come now, some of us might find it a pity this guy is rather a cutie precisely because his sex appeal might win over some supporters to his offensive cult which feeds on and into anti-Jewish stereotypes.

I'll have to give this matter some attention, but there is a difference between teaching kids self esteem and not to mock another kid who is skinny, fat or pimply, and denying human sexual attraction. The latter frightens me a bit - it is very prudish, and denying of pleasure.

[ 24 March 2006: Message edited by: lagatta ]


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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
[QB]I'll have to give this matter some attention, but there is a difference between teaching kids self esteem and not to mock another kid who is skinny, fat or pimply, and denying human sexual attraction. The latter frightens me a bit - it is very prudish, and denying of pleasure.

Please note that I am talking about public discourse, not about denying human sexual attraction. And you know, I'm not that comfortable when I hear, even in social contexts, some woman being described as "really good looking" or "hot" while another woman is (politely) not described in terms of her looks at all. I think it's damaging and hurtful and it objectifies people in all the wrong ways.

Lagatta, I don't want to carry on especially where I don't think there are fundamental disagreements here. Someone referred to my "nastiness", and that kind of comment usually just gets me going. I'll stop now.


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

Belinda Stronach/Michaelle Jean/Avril Lavigne/Pauline Marois is really hot. God, she turns me on. Talk about sexy. C'mon over my way, gorgeous. Who cares about your views, I really dig your looks. Yeah.


Yet another thread being disrupted from the original topic.

All I said was "He's a hottie" not that other stuff you just said. And you can't deny that fact ... he IS a hottie.

Wow I never would have imagined this brouhaha breaking out among some segments of the prudish components here from 3 words "He's a hottie".

You put yourself out there you if are a public person. Aviad Cohen is a performer. Of course he is bound to be called on his looks for better or for worse. I didn't say "He was a hot piece of a** that I'd like to get my hands on".

That would be degrading.

You're making so much more out of this than it really merits.

YOU keep focusing on his LOOKS rather than his views and opinions ... irony of ironies ...

[ 24 March 2006: Message edited by: mary123 ]


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quote:
Originally posted by mary123:

You're making so much more out of this than it really merits.

YOU keep focusing on his LOOKS rather than his views and opinions ... irony of ironies ...


No, mary123. Scroll to the top and read my first post. I quoted his words. Read later posts. I analyzed how he was connecting Jews with money. You said "I love this guy!!!", and called him a hottie, in two separate posts, before I decided to say how I felt about those comments.

Now did you have a comment on his views and opinions? Because you've certainly heard mine, but I haven't heard yours yet, except for this: "Wow I thought he was being ironic".


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Nothing like a lecture and some bullying on objectification by a man eh mary?
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quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
Nothing like a lecture and some bullying on objectification by a man eh mary?

If your birthdate is accurate in your profile, I've been fighting for women's rights since before you were born, and I never stopped. Your comment about "bullying" is really offensive and unwarranted. Is that how you characterize debate and discussion? Did you have any opinion on the points I made about social discourse, or does your presumption about my gender make discussion irrelevant?

[ 24 March 2006: Message edited by: unionist ]


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If your idea of fighting for my rights is telling me how I should take them and interpret them and to listen to you tell me what itís all about to be objectified donít do me anymore favours. And wow, throw in some condescending ageism for good measure. Thanks so much for your paternalism. Yep, you havenít been a bully at all in this thread.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scout:
If your idea of fighting for my rights is telling me how I should take them and interpret them and to listen to you tell me what itís all about to be objectified donít do me anymore favours. And wow, throw in some condescending ageism for good measure. Thanks so much for your paternalism. Yep, you havenít been a bully at all in this thread.

Thank you.
Unionist please STOP "fighting" for my rights.

You don't speak for me with that tone and attitude about you. You do more harm by what I am reading about you.

Your bullying and patronising vision "for my rights" is more damaging than helpful.

I'll damn well call him a "hottie" if I want to you and you can certainly make a complaint to the moderators if this "bothers" you so much.


I don't like his intolerance towards other religions. He probably thinks he's found THE ONLY RELIGION WITH ALL THE ANSWERS FOR EVERYONE and this makes him scary to me.

Lagatta said it best and it bears repeating again:
"I find that stuff really offensive - guess the hard-arsed Zionists are looking the wrong way when they accuse leftists of being "self-hating Jews".

Touche!

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Weirdest... thread drift... ever.
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Seriously though with a name like "50 Shekel" which is clearly a parody type name that's why I thought he was being ironic with his whole "musical act".

A serious music artist wouldn't choose such a name.

I say he will convert back to Judaism in 6 months when the novelty or the audiences wear thin.


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Unionist, seriously. Scout and mary123 are right. If you want to debate about whether commenting on someone's looks is objectifying them, then fine. But it would be really nice if you wouldn't lecture women on this forum about how to be a real feminist. It really gets up our noses, you know?
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posted 25 March 2006 12:58 AM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is one Jew who is not the least bit offended by Jews for Jesus. Well, as an orginization, they can be pretty irritating when they come up to you (and they dont know what theyre talking about!), so maybe thats not what I mean.

But Messianic Judaism (which is the religion that the orginization "Jews for Jesus" practices) is totally cool with me.

Let's not forget that the very first "Christians" were once Hebrews who believed in Jesus (or Yeshua as his real name was) and practiced through the culture and customs of Judaism.

I've always thought that Christianity, at its grassroots core, is really a very gorgeous religion, and I've always secretly wanted for Judaism, Christianity and Islam to fuse into one faith. When all's said and done, we actually pray to the same God. It's true.


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posted 25 March 2006 01:02 AM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...Or if nobody wants to "fuse" we could at least recognize that our unique customs are only different expressions of the same faith.

I think if we all woke up to this fact, then it would logically follow that there is no need to convert one another because we are all one.

Furthermore, we could stop condemning each other to our own respective brand of unpleasantness, whether in this life or the next.

[ 25 March 2006: Message edited by: Serendipity ]


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posted 25 March 2006 01:11 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Unionist, seriously. Scout and mary123 are right. If you want to debate about whether commenting on someone's looks is objectifying them, then fine. But it would be really nice if you wouldn't lecture women on this forum about how to be a real feminist. It really gets up our noses, you know?

Ok, I yield. To Scout, mary123, etc., I meant no offence, but I do tend to tell people (indiscriminately) how to think... I'll work on that.


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posted 25 March 2006 01:25 AM      Profile for MartinArendt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Serendipity:
...Or if nobody wants to "fuse" we could at least recognize that our unique customs are only different expressions of the same faith.

I think if we all woke up to this fact, then it would logically follow that there is no need to convert one another because we are all one.

Furthermore, we could stop condemning each other to our own respective brand of unpleasantness, whether in this life or the next.

[ 25 March 2006: Message edited by: Serendipity ]


If this happened, and there was no need to convert one another...

wwjfjd? (what would jews for jesus do?)


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posted 25 March 2006 02:13 AM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

It's a good point. That's why I felt like I had to add that second post.


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