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fern hill
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posted 26 March 2006 09:56 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the the Guardian. The title cracked me up, I just had to share.

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The Lord of the Rings Princess of Wales Theatre, Toronto

If all-singing, all-dancing hobbits strike you as a bad Mel Brooks joke, then you have some idea of the scepticism with which I arrived at the world premiere of The Lord of the Rings stage extravaganza in Toronto. It was the gala performance of what the Globe and Mail had described that morning as 'hands-down the most expensive stage production in history'. The ladies in floor-length gowns were impressed, but then, quite a few of them appeared to be friends of the producer - a man for whom Middle-earth has become a prime piece of real estate.



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posted 26 March 2006 10:12 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I want my all-hobbit chorus line! And maybe a duet between Frodo and Gollum?
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posted 26 March 2006 10:13 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It sounds ghastly! I have to see.
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posted 26 March 2006 10:28 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Favourite line of the review (and one that kills any desire to see it):

The duets between Strider (Evan Buliung) and Arwen (Carly Street) are truly excruciating and appear to have been inspired by a dream team of Michael Bolton and Enya.


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posted 26 March 2006 10:29 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The photo accompanying the print article is two hobbits facing a forest of Ents. The Ents are played by men on stilts dressed not-dissimilarly to Gandalf in the movie.

Surprisingly despite that description, it actually works visually.


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posted 26 March 2006 04:00 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The thread title, and the review quotes, made me wonder if this would turn out to be the LOTR equivalent of the infamous "Star Wars Holiday Special." But the review's actually quite positive. Funny old world.
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posted 26 March 2006 06:29 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My guy scored us a pair of freebies. It wasn't bad. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was good, but it wasn't bad.

I think "Springtime for Saruman, and Isengard" might fit the metre better, and it would certainly fit the play better, since Sauron is nothing but a brooding offstage presence. (Still priceless though!)


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posted 26 March 2006 09:06 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mordor is happy and gay!

I really hope it has a good run. So many jobs hang on it.

[ 26 March 2006: Message edited by: Jimmy Brogan ]


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posted 26 March 2006 10:23 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"Springtime for Saruman, and Isengard..."

"... winter for King Theoden."


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posted 26 March 2006 11:22 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ash nazg, baby!
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posted 26 March 2006 11:32 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh man, it's such a drag these Ents are tearing the place up, you know? Such a bummer? Why can't they just chill, help themselves to some Isen water to brew up their silly-sap, whatever...
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posted 27 March 2006 03:22 AM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rings may be critic proof

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Mar. 25, 2006. 08:26 AM
MARTIN KNELMAN
ENTERTAINMENT COLUMNIST

Middle-earth may have been nuked, but you would never know it from the bubbly mood of the producers the morning after The Lord of the Rings had its world premiere at the Princess of Wales Theatre.

"We had a great morning at the box office," says Kevin Wallace, the British producer who initiated this massive project and has controlled almost every detail of its development.

Indeed, says David Mirvish, who persuaded Wallace to choose Toronto as the place to launch the show, last night's ticket sales were double for those on an average day ? raising hopes this could be that most golden of geese, the critic-proof show.

Moreover, Wallace reveals, the very morning supposedly devastating reviews were published (in the Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail, The New York Times and other papers) he had calls from London from prospective investors hoping it might not be too late for them to buy a share of the London production, scheduled to open in 2007.

So much for the notion that negative-to-mixed reviews would leave the producers ready to post closing notices.

Undeniably, the numbers that govern the show are as awesome as its stagecraft and special effects. With a top ticket price of $125, LOTR has a potential weekly gross of $1.8 million at the 2,000-seat Princess of Wales. But it also has scarily high running costs ? more than $1 million per week.

If the show plays to near-capacity audiences, it would take a year to recoup its $28 million cost. If attendance falls below 60 per cent, it would lose money ? and the producers might be forced to shut it down.

But for the next few months, the show is protected by the attendance of 43,000 Mirvish subscribers and other ticket buyers who figure in its $15 million advance. That should carry the show through the end of June. The summer months should attract tourist and family audiences from Canada and the United States.



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I have been an LOTR fan for most of my life, and the idea of a musical being made of this book (I view the work as unitary) appalls me. Admittedly, the books feature a number of songs, but they do not strike me as songs that are suited to a musical, as they tend to be either very long or very short, and only a single person singing. I can only imagine this production translated to the stage like other musicals I have seen (most prominantly Phantom of the Opera and Cats). I will never go and see this, because it seems to me like profaning my favourite work of literature.
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posted 27 March 2006 05:02 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So..movies yes? Or movies no?
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posted 27 March 2006 05:14 AM      Profile for TheStudent        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Movies yes, because Peter Jackson was an enormous fan of the books, because New Line was prepared to devote an absolutely massive budget to make sure special effects et al went off right, because it was made into over seven hours of film (plus more in the extended editions).

While there are flaws in the movies that I do not like, especially stuff that is in the movies but not in the books (esp. the part when Faramir takes Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath in The Two Towers). I also disagree with some of the things that were left out (esp. Old Forest, Tom Bombadil and Barrow Downs). These downsides are massively outweighed, at least to me, by the upsides of the films, and I love them all (though my least favourite is The Fellowship of the Ring, because so much was left out).


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posted 27 March 2006 08:39 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
inspired by a dream team of Michael Bolton and Enya

you say that like it's a bad thing.


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No, I say it like I think they should both be sterilized now on the off-chance they might someday meet and decide to have sex.
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posted 27 March 2006 09:50 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
actually, that sounds like the plot for some sort of fantasy, krull-like, film.

(movie trailer voice) michael bolton ... handsome prince, destined by fate ... enya, renowned songstress yet impossibly sad ... together, they must make love ... so that their child ... can rule the galaxy ... this summer ... paramount pictures presents ... a story ... of boundless courage ... a story ... of one blond long-haired singer's quest ... to find his mate.


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posted 28 March 2006 06:11 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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No, I say it like I think they should both be sterilized now on the off-chance they might someday meet and decide to have sex.

That's unlikely. If they had wanted to make hot monkey love, they would have done so in the late 80's or early nineties, when they were still young and resonably popular.

What do you have against the Enster anyway?


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posted 28 March 2006 06:16 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
That's unlikely. If they had wanted to make hot monkey love, they would have done so in the late 80's or early nineties, when they were still young and resonably popular.

But what would popularity have to it with it? Obscure people (i.e., 99% of the population) want to get it on too.

And besides: ceasing to be young doesn't take away the desire to "make hot monkey love."


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posted 28 March 2006 07:06 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:

But what would popularity have to it with it? Obscure people (i.e., 99% of the population) want to get it on too.

And besides: ceasing to be young doesn't take away the desire to "make hot monkey love."


Sorry, I should have started that post with "if the wanted to have children"...


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posted 28 March 2006 07:09 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, right.

According to this story, Enya is almost as popular as ever (her latest is No. 10 on the Billboard charts), and has sold more discs than any other Irish artist except U2.

And she was involved in the LOTR movies, of course:

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When we last heard from her, in 2002, she was crooning songs on the Fellowship of the Ring soundtrack—in Elvish.

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posted 28 March 2006 07:22 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Been reading a lot of Yeats lately and I must say that it is very apparent to me how many of Tolkien's "good bits" are borrowed. But I suppose even watered down Yeats is still pretty good.
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quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
Oh, right.

According to this story, Enya is almost as popular as ever (her latest is No. 10 on the Billboard charts), and has sold more discs than any other Irish artist except U2.

And she was involved in the LOTR movies, of course:


Oh. I was not aware.


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posted 28 March 2006 08:26 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No need to be embarrassed. I don't think she gets a lot of radio play, and like the writer says, she has never gone on tour.

So she doesn't get a lot of publicity, and it's easy to overlook her (I had no idea she was still in the business until I saw that article). She just cruises along under the radar, selling tons of records. Somehow. To someone.


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quote:
Originally posted by TheStudent:
I have been an LOTR fan for most of my life, and the idea of a musical being made of this book (I view the work as unitary) appalls me. Admittedly, the books feature a number of songs, but they do not strike me as songs that are suited to a musical, as they tend to be either very long or very short, and only a single person singing. I can only imagine this production translated to the stage like other musicals I have seen (most prominantly Phantom of the Opera and Cats). I will never go and see this, because it seems to me like profaning my favourite work of literature.

It really isn't a musical. It's a long play with some songs and background music, which is very faithful indeed to the book's spirit -- more so than the movie was, in fact.

My main complaint about all LOTR dramatizations is the same: not enough time for the Ents!

I adore Ents.


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