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fern hill
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posted 20 January 2005 11:43 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't know where to put this totally inconsequential observation. . . Inevitably, over however long this has been going on, I've caught a few seconds of it here and there, but last night, flipping around the telly, I hit it and got snared. There was a kid boasting about how he had the "whole package" and his singing voice was fabulous, all his friends and family have said so since forever. Then he sang. I am no musician, but the kid was incredibly bad. The judges thought so too, then he argued with them! Then there was another braggart who was just as bad. And another. Of course there is a continuum in singing talent, but surely the divide is being able to carry a tune or not. I am not a parent either, and while I can see the virtue in raising confident kids, the family and friends of these kids are not doing them any favours in aiding or creating a delusion. Since there is a Canadian version of this silliness, I assume Canada has a sufficient supply of such hopeful no-hopers, so it's not exclusively a USian phenom. But it was fascinating to watch. . .
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paxamillion
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posted 20 January 2005 11:46 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
Then there was another braggart who was just as bad. And another.

Denial is more than a river in Egypt.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 20 January 2005 11:55 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two words:

William Hung

When someone who can't sing can become a media star, and its much easier to be a bad singer than a good one, there's always hope.

Seriously, I wonder if some of these people know if they're bad enough and loopy enough than they have a better chance of being on TV than if they try to be good and fail. There's so many thousands that try it would seem that being dreadfully bad (if you know you're bad) would be a savvy marketing strategy.


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 20 January 2005 12:19 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I caught a bit of the show too, and while I'm sure there are some trying to be outrageously bad, some are genuinely crushed to learn the talent they thought they had is non-existent. I guess it's encouraging to know there are so many kind people out there who didn't have the heart to tell them they suck. It can't have been easy for them.

And yes, denial is more than a river in Egypt. In the Sunday Star there was an article about auditions for the Blue Man group being conducted in Toronto for a new production. To be successful you MUST be between 5'10" and 6'1".

http://tinyurl.com/45rba

The article is illustrated with a photograph of Amanda Smith, "a 26-year old radio and television grad from Ryerson who travelled the world before deciding, just last summer, that she wanted to be an actor. “It’s kind of scary to say that’s what you want to do.”"

So here we have a university graduate auditioning for a part that she absolutely had no chance at. Why?


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fern hill
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posted 20 January 2005 01:48 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
I guess it's encouraging to know there are so many kind people out there who didn't have the heart to tell them they suck.

Encouraging? I think it's kinda scary. I went to a twee little writers' group (twice) where the participants were oh-so-supportive of the most dreadful dreck. Kee-rist, I thought, this is not a writers' group, it's therapy.

Reminds me of that SatNiteLive character who "was good enough, smart enough, gosh darn it" smarmy enough.

It buys into that right-wing b.s. about everyone's opinion being valid, despite what facts or otherwise it's based on. There is no objective truth, it's all relative, and if I think I'm a fabulous singer, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Eeeee. . .


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Mush
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posted 20 January 2005 01:54 PM      Profile for Mush     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow...we were watching (she in mute horror, me with rapt glee), when my wife made a good point. She thought it had taken a real turn for the nasty, with focus on the terrible and deluded as a kind of freak show of dashed hopes. We figured this was because of the "success" of William Hung. Normally, I don't find much offensive about the show, but making fun of these people really is....or so I think today...
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catje
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posted 21 January 2005 04:44 AM      Profile for catje     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
anybody remember The Gong Show?
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verbatim
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posted 21 January 2005 04:50 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
It buys into that right-wing b.s. about everyone's opinion being valid, despite what facts or otherwise it's based on. There is no objective truth, it's all relative, and if I think I'm a fabulous singer, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Eeeee. . .

What? this is right-wing b.s.? That's news to me.

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posted 21 January 2005 08:17 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People on the left call it right wing BS, people on the right call it left wing BS. Really it's just BS.
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posted 21 January 2005 09:41 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
People on the left call it right wing BS, people on the right call it left wing BS. Really it's just BS.

And thus we learn how prophetically Belinda Stronach's name was chosen.


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audra trower williams
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posted 21 January 2005 12:00 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. I'll move this to "culture", that's where we tend to put the TV threads
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posted 21 January 2005 12:06 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I strenously object on aesthetic grounds to putting a thread about American Idol in culture.
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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 21 January 2005 02:09 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
I strenously object on aesthetic grounds to putting a thread about American Idol in culture.

But it IS indicative of "American culture."


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 23 January 2005 08:11 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NY Times editorial: American Awful

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The high points of the early episodes of the show are the moments in which desperately clueless singers deliver unbearable versions of pop standards in front of judges who either burst into derisive laughter or helpfully advise the would-be idols that they are way too fat, badly dressed, funny looking or simply "honestly, excruciatingly awful." While some of the contestants have the sort of impenetrable self-obsession that seems to invite that kind of treatment, others react in ways that make it clear they are simply weak and vulnerable. The producers seem to feel it's funny to watch a trio of wealthy and famous adults making fun of a simple 16-year-old girl whose only sin was being "pretty sure I have a good voice" when she didn't.

About 100,000 contestants, all in their teens or 20's, auditioned for "American Idol," and the ones who wound up on national television survived at least two elimination rounds. While Fox said the survivors were chosen to be a good cross section, it is hard to imagine that any of the extremely naďve contestants understood that they were being moved along only because they showed promise for being ridiculous. In the ensuing battle for the "tickets to Hollywood," the viewers are invited to roar while young people who in many cases appear to be poor, of low intelligence or even mildly disturbed, sing enthusiastically and then stand gape-mouthed with shock while their heroes insult them on national television.

One of the points of any reality show is to allow the audience to watch as contestants humiliate themselves by screeching at their spouses on a race around the world, by being voted off the island first, or by failing to get a rose from the bachelor or bachelorette whom they have been desperately and publicly wooing. But there is a very wide gap between demonstrating that life is full of hard knocks and embarrassment, and glorying in the abasement of the utterly defenseless.



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thorin_bane
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posted 05 February 2005 07:29 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The SNL char in questin was Stewart Smally as portrayed by one Al Franken. Yep Air America Al Frankin. I somehow found myself with nothing on newsworld and watched this....how do you get this time back. But Simon said something that was important and we should bear in mind "Ok you have had your 15 seconds on TV now get out of here" A lot of these people ar eon here just to say they where on TV. I have never understood this love of the camera, even as a child my dad spent 1500 for a VCR and another 1500 for the 20 pound shoulder mounted camera that went with it, I was never very intent on being in all the shots. I was a shy child I suppose , but these people have no pride. "Hey look I'm a big dumb doofus, but i'm on TV yuck yuck".

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verbatim
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posted 05 February 2005 07:56 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm envisioning a spin-off here, called "Kick American Idol Judges In The Crotch" where the judges have the choice of being kicked in the crotch, repeatedly, for maybe 1/2 an hour, and derided all the while, or alternately having some incredibly embarrassing personal shortcoming being covered in great detail, and thus completely humiliating them.

This seems to be the natural next step from the show as it presently stands. Eventually, the morally numb audience is going to want more extreme behaviour, and who better to pick on than the former "judges?"

(P.S. -- I remember the Gong Show, and even as it was sometimes cruel, it wasn't packaged as anything more than theatre for the bizarre. Most of the performers were strange relics from the days of vaudeville, like tap-dancing jugglers and people who sung with their heads underwater).


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Polly Brandybuck
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posted 05 February 2005 08:03 PM      Profile for Polly Brandybuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by verbatim:
[QB]I'm envisioning a spin-off here, called "Kick American Idol Judges In The Crotch" where the judges have the choice of being kicked in the crotch, repeatedly, for maybe 1/2 an hour, and derided all the while, or alternately having some incredibly embarrassing personal shortcoming being covered in great detail, and thus completely humiliating them.

Absolutely. Sign me up. I too caught this poor excuse for entertainment one evening not long ago, and watched it dumbfounded for about ten minutes. My seven year old thought it was kind of funny (target market?), but my other kids wanted to know why those guys are so mean to everyone. Is Canadian Idol this bad? (I am scared to check).


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The Vicious
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posted 05 February 2005 10:37 PM      Profile for The Vicious     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Notice the winners on the Idol shows are just as sad as the losers?
The "winners" are the likes of clay aiken, that guy with the giant hair (justin i think, they did that shitty music with the slutty girl) and what's his name from the local version are for the most part talentless and lame. Kings of Wuss rock or "lite" music.
"Winners" in the lamest musical genre outside of country or whatever the hell one would call Insane Clown Posse (that isn't even rap, or music when i think about it).

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Hailey
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posted 05 February 2005 11:47 PM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The man that sang like a virgin - couldn't get better than that
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