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runner
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posted 21 January 2004 01:32 PM      Profile for runner     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

I have recently re-discovered Pete Seeger's Music and have also read a lot about him, I have had my head in a pile of diapers for the last few years raising a young family, but now I am getting more time for music I am looking for the names of today's musicians/groups who write similar stuff top Pete. I have listed to some Ani Difranco but would welcome any other suggestions

Thanks


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posted 21 January 2004 02:05 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Look for the two disc tribute set to Pete Seeger "Where Have All the Flowers Gone" to which Ani DiFranco contributes a song. That should give you a good idea of what other groups/singers who are at least somewhat similar.

And they're a great couple of CD's!


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posted 21 January 2004 02:06 PM      Profile for Sara Mayo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Be Good Tanyas!

Their music is often more lonesome than Pete's, but this Vancouver bad is one of my favorites. A mix of roots, bluegrass, folk with covers of lots of great classics and their own amazing original songs. They have two albums, Blue Horse and Chinatown. I personally prefer Chinatown because it is more bluesy than Blue Horse, but they are both incredible!


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posted 21 January 2004 02:18 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*cough* Amy Campbell! *cough*.

For real, she's having a tough day. Someone should buy one of her CDs and cheer her up. Don't tell her I said this.


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posted 21 January 2004 02:29 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My roommates probably think I'm crazy for the number of times I crank Pete's version of "Solidarity Forever" on my stereo.
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posted 21 January 2004 02:47 PM      Profile for Kevin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spatrioter, I do the same, and my dad does think I'm crazy. Even though he's a staunch union supporter. He laughs because I actually know who Pete Seeger is...
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posted 21 January 2004 02:58 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like that Pete Seeger song about all the people living in the houses made of ticky tacky...You know the one I'm talking about?

We've got this record at home that's a live album where he's getting the audience to sing along and telling them these great stories between songs etc. He's just so cool.

There's a great album out there (two, even) where Ani DiFranco produces and overlays some music on a bunch of great political and thoughtful diatribes from Utah Phillips. One of my favourite quotes comes from the one called Past Didn't Go Anywhere: something about how politicians like to follow the path of least resistance, but following the path of least resistance is what makes the river crooked!

Though she's not very political necessarily, I really like Gillian Welch for that homey, rootsy folk song feeling Pete Seeger's so good at...


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posted 21 January 2004 03:16 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Lima Bean:
I like that Pete Seeger song about all the people living in the houses made of ticky tacky...You know the one I'm talking about?
Little Boxes.

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posted 21 January 2004 03:34 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yeah. I like that one.
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posted 21 January 2004 05:35 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wish Stan Rogers hadn't died young. I see him as the Canadian answer to Pete Seeger.
Along with utterly grand maritime folk, he had some marvellous working-class songs. Mary Ellen Carter puts a tear in my eyes every time I listen.

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posted 22 January 2004 11:40 AM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dare I suggest the Mermaid Avenue albums (Vol. I and II) by Billy Bragg and Wilco? Those are Woody Guthrie songs rather than Seeger's but similar in content, I think...

Also, a few other folkies (I tend to the Brit folkies rather than American, so...also, while these guys are still performing, I wouldn't call them "today's musicians", but anyway...)

- Roy Bailey
- Leon Rosselson
- Eric Bogle ("The Band Played Waltzing Matilda", etc.)


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posted 23 January 2004 09:43 PM      Profile for inukjuak   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am a fervent Seegerite. He used to come to my elementary school in the (blush) 1950's until the local right wing had him banned for being too communistic to sing Abiyoyo to kids. I learned to play the banjo from his instruction book, and now I can use it to deadly effect.


If you get a chance, see or get an album by Peter and Lou Berryman. They write hilarious, highly-literate, sharp-edged songs that are just great. Like "Squalor" and "Cow Imagination" and "A Talk With Your Mother". They almost rehabilitate the accordion for me.

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posted 23 January 2004 10:19 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
until the local right wing had him banned for being too communistic to sing Abiyoyo to kids.

His band, the Weavers, had the # 1 hit song in the US, "Goodnight Irene" when he and the whole bunch of them were banned from tv and radio for being reds. He didn't get back on for about ten years, when "Hootenany" was a big hit.


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posted 24 January 2004 01:31 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heirs to Seeger's musical style and/or his politics

Be Good Tanyas
Dan Bern
Luka Bloom
Billy Bragg
Jackson Browne
Harry Chapin
Tracy Chapman
Bruce Cockburn
Ani Difranco
Steve Earle
Jay Farrar
Stephen Fearing
John Gorka
John Wesley Harding
Indigo Girls
James Keelaghan
Alison Kraus
Natalie Merchant
Joni Mitchell
Holly Near
Oh Susanna
Tom Paxton
Glen Phillips
Ron Sexsmith
Michelle Shocked
Bruce Springsteen (sometimes)
Wilco
David Wilcox (the American one)
Lucinda Williams
Neil Young

BTW, Appleseed has now put out Volume II and Volume III of the Seeger tributes.


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posted 24 January 2004 02:32 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Seeger still performing today? He's getting on -- must be about 85 or something now. A great talent.

Over the years, Seeger has recorded many "traditional" or "public domain" songs. Admirably, he's attempted to funnel the money he's made off those songs to those he thinks deserve the actual credit, or to "good causes" he supports:

quote:
"I am," he revealed elsewhere, "a songwriter who has often used public domain melodies to put new words to. In the music business, it is customary for a songwriter like me to take all the royalties for such songs since there's no person named 'public domain'. However, I think it is wrong."

But Seeger has tried to do the right thing. He has directed, for example, that royalties from the version of We Shall Overcome he recorded in 1959, with extra verses he penned, be directed to US trade union benefits - an arrangement that still continues. Elsewhere, he wants royalties from Where Have all the Flowers Gone? sent to a Russian folk-song archive - because he got the idea for the song from the Mikhail Sholokhov novel, And Quiet Flows the Don.

Closer to home, Seeger wants royalties from his Abiyoyo - based on a traditional SA melody and the title track of a 1959 children's album - sent to South Africa. "However," he wrote to Unesco's Shashi Tharoor, "here the situation is more complicated. As you know, there are many tribal groups in South Africa and my guess is these royalties should go to the particular tribal group which the song came from but maybe I'm wrong."

More importantly, and perhaps less complicated, is the matter of Solomon Linda's Mbube , a song that, thanks in part to Seeger, qualifies as South Africa's most famous melody - and the focus of one of the world's greatest musical travesties. Linda, a migrant worker, recorded Mbube in Johannesburg for Gallo Records in 1939. Seeger directly copied it and released it in 1952 as Wimoweh - but with its composer now credited as "Paul Campbell", a pseudonym for Seeger and his band, The Weavers. Once Seeger, who thought the song was a "traditional" piece, learnt it was Linda's work, he made arrangements for the South African to receive a share of Wimoweh's royalties.



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posted 24 January 2004 02:38 PM      Profile for inukjuak   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by beluga2:
Is Seeger still performing today? He's getting on -- must be about 85 or something now. A great talent.

He still performs, but his voice is mostly shot now so it's more an exercise in getting the crowd singing, and doing duets with other performers or grandchildren like singer Tau Rodrigues.

You know, he's been writing and singing "goodbye" songs for years and years. I'm thinking of "Well may the world go when I'm far away", and others. I bet he's as surprised as anyone else that he's still getting up on stages and helping the crowd raise the roof.

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deleting an "oops" post.

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posted 25 January 2004 05:57 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Heirs to Seeger's musical style and/or his politics

David Wilcox (the American one)


Didn't realize that there were two different David Wilcoxes.


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posted 25 January 2004 09:49 AM      Profile for inukjuak   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Heirs to Seeger's musical style and/or his politics.

Pete used to say, back in the 60's and 70's, that he had played for so many schools and summer camps that he had sung with a significant proportion of the young people of the United States. And a significant proportion of them would grow up and go into politics. And then, one day, there would be enough of them elected at the same time to constitute a "Seeger Congress", and then all sortsa good laws would get passed, and everyone would have strawberry shortcake.


Hasn't happened yet, but it's fun to think it might.


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posted 25 January 2004 04:28 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I like that Pete Seeger song about all the people living in the houses made of ticky tacky...You know the one I'm talking about?

That is a Malvina Reynolds song. Someone else who deserves to be in this thread.

There are a lot of singers who sing traditional and traditional style songs (many with sharp political teeth). They don't record for major labels but sing in a lot of local folk clubs. Many put out their own cds, Borealis Records is a label here in Toronto founded to put out Canadian artists like this.

The Mudcat Cafe is a great resource for trad. music (trad. is a great songwriter, along with the great poet anon.)

Keith Marsden is another fine songwriter, particulalry "Idlers and Skivers" (use Mudcat).
Oops, I just found out he wrote a BUNCH of songs I like singing.


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posted 25 January 2004 09:35 PM      Profile for Holy Holy Holy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some of this tribute to Joe Hill is crappy (but I generally dislike most self-appointed heirs of the folk tradition). It's worth it for Billy Bragg's version of Phil Och's "Joe Hill" - with Pete Seeger on banjo.
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folk it up!

its difficult to find articulate political music sometimes....a lot of the best is to be found in the folk catagory though...

I noticed that your a mother...You might be interested to know that Pete Seeger (as well as his contemporary, Woody Guthrie) both put out childrens albums. I grew up on them, and I turned out to be a raving socialist lunatic. Therefore, a positive endorsement. lol

My recommendations for you would be

Stephan Smith (he does a duet with Seeger actually) you can hear his stuff here atprotest records

More suggestions in a traditional/political folk music vein: greg keelor, john gorka, stephen fearing(still writes union hymns), louden wainwright, john prine, dar williams

In the less traditional folk vein...I recommend, kinnie starr, jim guthrie, hayden, geoff berner, veda hille...i'm pretty sure i can go on forever...and i don't want to be too exhaustive....


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Many thanks for the input people, have already started borrowing CDs from the local library. Good point made about childrens music being written by Pete and Woody Guthrie, I already play such stuff to the kids.

FAO Meow, thanks for noticing that I am a Mother.

Actually my wife is the mother to my kids, I just try to help raising them


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posted 27 January 2004 02:47 AM      Profile for Meow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*embarassment*
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posted 27 January 2004 01:07 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
Didn't realize that there were two different David Wilcoxes.

Yeah, normally, I'd prefer the Canadian version

David Wilcox (American)

David Wilcox (Canadian)


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