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JPG
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posted 16 March 2006 08:16 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Alright, this is annoying.


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JPG
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posted 16 March 2006 08:18 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why can't I get this to work
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Sven
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posted 16 March 2006 08:21 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JPG:
Why can't I get this to work

Now you've got me fiddling with this!!

Test

I don't know. I tested it with another URL and the URL function on babble works. I have no idea why your link doesn't work with that function. The address worked, though (I was able to pull up the page re Annie P).

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'lance
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posted 16 March 2006 08:23 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Try losing the ] at the very beginning. Apart from that the code looks right to me.

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JPG
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posted 16 March 2006 08:44 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Screw it, I give up. It was about that woman the wrote the original Brokeback Mountain complaining that her story didn't win, lashing out at Hollywood, and even the other Best Actor nominees.
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JPG
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posted 16 March 2006 08:45 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks anyway 'lance
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asterix
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posted 17 March 2006 04:24 PM      Profile for asterix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
JPG, I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago. Apparently if the URL is too long, it screws up even if the HTML coding is formatted correctly.

The way around it is to run the URL through tinyurl.com or makeashorterlink.com anyway.


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JPG
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posted 19 March 2006 08:22 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, I see how it works now. THanks, I'll be sure to use it next time.
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Tehanu
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posted 19 March 2006 08:53 PM      Profile for Tehanu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The entire article by E. Annie Proulx is over on the Guardian website.

She's got some pretty witty zingers:

quote:
There was one man in a kilt - there is always one at award ceremonies - perhaps a professional roving Scot hired to give colour to the otherwise monotone showing of clustered males.

quote:
... This was a big winner, a bushel of the magic gold-coated gelded godlings going to the rap group.

A slight tinge of bitterness but some good behind-the-scenes scene-setting.

JPG, your original post is still causing sidescroll!


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Hephaestion
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posted 19 March 2006 10:10 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tehanu:

JPG, your original post is still causing sidescroll!



Ya!

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JPG
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posted 19 March 2006 11:36 PM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
JPG, your original post is still causing sidescroll!

I was afraid that might be the case. I wasnt aware of the magical properties of tinyurl.com at the time. Now I am enlightened. I'm just waiting for some cool issue that involves a url so that I can use my new wisdom.

P.S I was just going to talk about how she's bitter because her story didn't win, even though I thought the better picture won. However, my favorites were 'Capote' and 'Walk the Line' (was walk the line nominated, I don't remember). And then she had the audacity to downplay Hoffman's performance in 'Capote', which was most definately the best of the year. Anyway, rant over (it would have been longer had I the oppurtunity when I originally tried, my rage has subsided).


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posted 21 March 2006 10:46 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
North American DVD release date set: April 4
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Hephaestion
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posted 21 March 2006 11:36 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 21 March 2006 11:53 AM      Profile for JPG     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry!
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lagatta
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posted 21 March 2006 09:06 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Before the demise of this series of threads, here is one worth pondering: Brokeback Desert - the lives of gay and lesbian people in Arab and/or Middle Eastern and/or Islamic or other traditional societies.

They were herding sheep, after all... And my friends from the Maghreb say that "homosexual behaviour" is utterly common in a society where men and women are separate. What is not accepted is people defining their lives outside heterosexual marriages, made to foster procreation and family lines.

And none of this "war of civilisations" crap... On the Catholic or Orthodox Christian side of the Mediterranean, such social mores held until very, very recently...


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Wee Mousie
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posted 21 March 2006 11:55 PM      Profile for Wee Mousie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sour grapes, but she's allowed, Still, I should like to make one small comment.

Annie Proulx comparing Brokeback Mountain’s three Academy Awards to King Kong’s three Academy Awards only exposes her ignorance of Hollywood’s caste system.

Awards for Best Director, Best Screenplay Adaptation, and Best Score are Talent awards, which are taken very seriously.

Awards for Best Visual Effects, Best Sound, and Best Sound Editing are Technical awards, which matter only to technical nerds and geeks who, for the most part, are given their awards at a separate Technical Oscars ceremony, so that they might never block the shot of one of Hollywood’s beautiful people.

Those Oscars only count statistically, as an accumulative number.

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posted 23 March 2006 07:00 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the guardian, 23 mar

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Does coming out matter? Yes it does. Ian McKellen puts it well: "We can't expect the world to like us if we don't tell them we're here." Coming out is a different issue from the sexual orientation of the stars of Brokeback Mountain and Capote. The coming out of prominent actors is vital - for the individual's own dignity and to provide a role model for others - but that actor's sexuality should not then affect his or her casting. McKellen is scathing about contemporary Hollywood: "They'll let me play a grey-bearded wizard, but they still wouldn't cast a young gay actor - who was out - in a straight romantic lead."

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Hephaestion
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posted 23 March 2006 10:47 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Branching out from Brokeback...

Whole New Thing explores young boy's crush on gay male teacher

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There's been much talk in recent months about the success of Brokeback Mountain, Capote and Transamerica - films that focus on gay or transsexual characters.

In the midst of that dialogue comes Whole New Thing, a new Canadian movie about a 13-year-old boy who develops a passionate crush on his homosexual teacher.

During last September's Toronto International Film Festival, director Amnon Buchbinder said the film - shot under wintry conditions in Nova Scotia - came about during a discussion with Daniel MacIvor, with whom he co-wrote the screenplay.

"The idea to tell the story started with something Daniel had told me about an experience from his own life about having a crush on a male teacher when he was in Grade 5," said Buchbinder.

"He wasn't suggesting that as a film story, it was just in another context, but I thought that would be an interesting story for a film."

The subject matter is certain to make some moviegoers squeamish, yet that was exactly what drew Buchbinder to the project.

"It was the combination of the queasy, inappropriate potential with the, I guess you could say, wholesome aspect of first love," said Buchbinder, who teaches film at Toronto's York University.

[...]

MacIvor's character lives a lonely life in the small community, seeking out anonymous sex in a local washroom.

Yet he is unequivocal when it comes to a sexual relationship with Emerson: it is out of the question.

"It was really important to me that the character of Don was not at all interested sexually in this boy. There was no struggle, there was no conflict in any way for him," said MacIvor in a telephone interview following the festival.

"That was incredibly important. As a gay man, I said I didn't want to do anything that was in any way going to implicate anybody. ... There is a certain group of people in society who have ideas that are wrong about this whole idea of pedophilia and how it's connected to homosexuality. I didn't want to be in any way contributing to that misinformation."

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posted 23 March 2006 11:08 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Yet he is unequivocal when it comes to a sexual relationship with Emerson: it is out of the question.

"It was really important to me that the character of Don was not at all interested sexually in this boy. There was no struggle, there was no conflict in any way for him," said MacIvor in a telephone interview following the festival.


Somehow I feel this distinction will be lost on the rabid right who, if this movie attracts any attention, will be beside themselves with rage that this movie (like every other movie that gets made in Canada) received funding and tax breaks from the federal and (in this case) Nova Scotia governments.


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'lance
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posted 23 March 2006 01:35 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yet he is unequivocal when it comes to a sexual relationship with Emerson...

Sorry, but reading this on TAT I nearly spat out my tea, thinking... nah, couldn't be, could it? This story just gets weirder and...

Um, well that is all. Carry on.


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Hephaestion
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posted 24 March 2006 06:06 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Reality. Bites.:

...the rabid right... will be beside themselves with rage...



Sorta like the way I get fed up with that book full of stories glorifying incest, sexism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia and all manner of other perverted swill is underwritten by my tax dollars?

Yeah, That book...

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Hephaestion
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posted 24 March 2006 10:52 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Petitioner seeks to name Vermont mountain after movie

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In the movie, Brokeback Mountain is in Wyoming. But the film is actually shot in Canada. The so-called "gay cowboy" movie is a big hit here - theaters sold out for weeks. And Vermont was the first to pass equal rights for gay couples. Still, fans seem mixed.

"Why do we have to name a mountain 'Brokeback Mountain' just to be accepting?" one movie fan said.

The organizer of the petition has not returned messages, but on the Web site www.brokebackmountainvermont.com, he writes, "Since Vermont is the coolest state, full of open-minded people, why shouldn't we have our own Brokeback Mountain (minus the cowboys)?"

[...]

A spokesman for Vermont governor Jim Douglas-R, said they'll take no position, saying "we're completely neutral about the idea."



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island empire
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posted 26 March 2006 04:50 PM      Profile for island empire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i only just watched this film last night, and i have to say that i couldn't believe how good i found it.

of course, for me the whole gay thing wasn't really the biggest deal, rather, it was the whole meditation on ageing and having all these regrets and sweet memories and all that. that kind of thinking will crush you if you let it. a nice distilled version of this sort of melancholy is always what mainstream film does best (think anything with audrey hepburn, or the really great epics, or like amelie poulain or rita vogt or whatever) and this film did it really really well.

just thought i'd add that little me bit in.


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Kindly Wise
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posted 26 March 2006 05:10 PM      Profile for Kindly Wise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They say don't go
On Brokeback Mountain
If yer lookin'
For a wife
'Cause Clifton Clauers
Has a Purty young daughter
And...and...um

Just to muddy the waters some more:
"Broekbak", translated from the Dutch on Babelfish, renders as "trousers barge"

The Dutch-English dictionary at http://www.freedict.com/onldict/onldict.php
further elaborates:

bak = tub, vessel, manger, trough, container, vat, ferry

broek = shorts, trousers, swamp, pants, marsh

Hence "Brokeback" or "broekbak" renders nicely as "ferrypants".

Coincidence? I think NOT.


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island empire
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posted 26 March 2006 05:14 PM      Profile for island empire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
wow, that was obscure.

anyway, i was going to add that all that blather in the other threads about depictions of gays and happy endings and all that seems completely baseless to me. you'd have to be a maniac to come out of this film with anything but sympathy and respect for this relationship.

and if you haven't seen the film, i suggest you learn to demonoid...


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Kindly Wise
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posted 27 March 2006 07:49 AM      Profile for Kindly Wise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't there a popular song from the forties about "The Gay Caballero"?

Gay cowboys are nothing new in the Canadian West.

Back in Alberta, from whence I arose, there were lots of male couples living together, usually on farms. We always called them "the bachelors". Some of them were nutters, some were business partners and some of them were straight guys who never married, but some were obviously devoted to each other and stayed together into their seventies. Mostly folks just left them alone so long as they didn't embrace in public...


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Hephaestion
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posted 27 March 2006 08:48 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by island empire:

...all that blather in the other threads about depictions of gays and happy endings and all that seems completely baseless to me.



Good to know...

Hey Crip, I've written this story about what it's like to be a Jew in New York during the 1930s. Think you could turn it into a screenplay for me? I don't have time, 'coz I'm busy writing another one about the experiences of black people during the Reconstruction years. I sort of picture Bruce Villanche in the lead role for that one...

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