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Canadian Revolution
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posted 22 September 2005 02:19 PM      Profile for Canadian Revolution     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Finally, it would explain how he could possibly think the squawks that come from a shitty piece of downloadable software sound so good that they're going to revolutionize the world of music. Because fake music didn't exist before this, I guess.

This comment was generated after "Mr. Magoo" (appropriately named) 'listened' to these MP3 clips.

Please listen to the following (it will help you understand the dynamic of the debate, these clips are less than a minute a piece).

http://WWW.SYNFUL.COM/User%20Demo%20Sounds/Leo_Gardini_quartet.mp3

http://WWW.SYNFUL.COM/User%20Demo%20Sounds/SynfulSoloViolin.mp3

Here's more clips to listen to if you are interested in this program:

http://WWW.SYNFUL.COM/User%20Demos.htm

Do these clips sound like 'squawks'?

The question here is: Can you *tell* that this music is computer generated? I have a discerning ear and thus can spot some of the horns synthness (especially when it hits higher notes) and some of the composers of these pieces show the synthness when they try to be too experimental.

However by and large, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to tell the difference. This program will help struggling composers get their works heard, and for established composers, they'll be able to change their music at 3am when the director of a movie asks: "Oh, can you shorten that piece of music? Make it end three seconds earlier?"

To simply call 'Synful' a "shitty piece of downloadable software" only proves my point: People will disagree with you, even if you are correct. They'll disagree for the sake of it, and even go so far as to blind themselves from the facts, a-la "Mr. Magoo".

This is very common in politics today, and basically that's what's killing the democratic system.

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Yukoner
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posted 22 September 2005 02:23 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think our collective time is better served telling the difference between real and fake babblers?
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Canadian Revolution
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posted 22 September 2005 02:24 PM      Profile for Canadian Revolution     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
I think our collective time is better served telling the difference between real and fake babblers?

You're not answering the question of this post, thus evading.

So that means I'm right again! Woo-hoo!


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Yukoner
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posted 22 September 2005 02:26 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Being right isn't considered a good thing around here.
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posted 22 September 2005 02:32 PM      Profile for gopi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Being right isn't considered a good thing around here.

Game, set, match.


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skdadl
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posted 22 September 2005 02:34 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why is there a second thread on this topic?
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WingNut
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posted 22 September 2005 02:40 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes. This thread represents a genuine song and dance.
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skdadl
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posted 22 September 2005 02:41 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is beginning to remind me of Optative Theatre.

When do we all start to shout Levaaaaaack?


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Canadian Revolution
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posted 22 September 2005 02:44 PM      Profile for Canadian Revolution     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
This is beginning to remind me of Optative Theatre.

When do we all start to shout Levaaaaaack?


The fact is, you CAN'T tell the difference between real and fake music.

My point is made, Orchestras are offically obsolete.


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Michelle
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posted 22 September 2005 02:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Why is there a second thread on this topic?

Good question.


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skdadl
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posted 22 September 2005 02:48 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
With all due respect, CR, I find your mode of discourse more than mildly peremptory.
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pogge
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posted 22 September 2005 02:48 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Canadian Revolution:
The fact is, you CAN'T tell the difference between real and fake music.

The fact is that one thread that's only half way to the official limit was quite enough. And on that note (pun intended):

quote:
Oh I took a wrong turn, it was the right turn
My turn to have me a ball
Boys at the shop told me just where to stop
If I wanted to play for it all
I didn't know I'd find her on daytime TV
My whole world lies waiting behind door number three

I chose my apparel, wore a beer barrel
And they rolled me to the very first row
I held a big sign that said "Kiss me I'm a baker,
and Monty I sure need the dough!"
Then I grabbed that sucker by the throat
Until he called on me
Cause my whole world lies waiting behind door number three

And I don't want what Jay's got on his table
Or the box Carol Merrill points to on the floor
No, I'll hold out just as long as I am able
Until I can unlock that lucky door
Well, she's no big deal to most folks
But she's everything to me
Cause my whole world lies waiting behind door number three

Oh Monty, Monty, Monty, I am walking down your hall
God be, I lost my seat but I'm not a man to crawl
No I didn't get rich you son of a bitch
I'll be back just wait and see
Cause my whole world lies waiting behind door number three
Yes my whole world lies waiting behind door number three



- Jimmy Buffett and Steve Goodman

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Canadian Revolution
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posted 22 September 2005 02:49 PM      Profile for Canadian Revolution     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Good question.


Trying to cut through the white noise, and just state a fact, and get opinion/comments on this program.

Then again though, do you really care? Of course you don't.


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Canadian Revolution
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posted 22 September 2005 02:51 PM      Profile for Canadian Revolution     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
With all due respect, CR, I find your mode of discourse more than mildly peremptory.

I believe that this program "Synful" is going to change the face of orchestral music as we know it. It's going to cause a seismic shift in how composers view synth.

I believe it's important enough and "Culturally Relevant" enough to merit frank debate.

The key here, is for the reader of this forum to first LISTEN to the supplied clips, and then offer their opinions.


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